crzjp20 0 #1 March 16, 2004 ok so stupid question, but what happens if you forget to cock the pilot chute? im a newbie and i was just curious.....-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #2 March 16, 2004 Can you say reserve ride? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DShiznit 0 #3 March 16, 2004 It doesn't inflate, and will cost you a reserve repack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #4 March 16, 2004 (It doesn't inflate, and will cost you a reserve repack} If your lucky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #5 March 16, 2004 Have you seen a collapsible pilot chute after a jump, ie when it's collapsed? Pick one up and drag it through the air to see how it behaves - it won't inflate. Look at where the apex of the pilot chute is (where the hackey is attached) and you'll see why. Deploying a collapsed pilot chute will, at best, give you a pilot chute in tow. GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbla4024 0 #6 March 16, 2004 I heard rumor you could just wait eight second and PC will inflate. How do you like this idea? Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 60 #7 March 16, 2004 QuoteI heard rumor you could just wait eight second and PC will inflate. Yeah, just like an airbag - it's gonna activate on impact! . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #8 March 16, 2004 QuoteI heard rumor you could just wait eight second and PC will inflate. How do you like this idea? 8 seconds=~400 meters=~1300' at terminal. I personally don't like this idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbla4024 0 #9 March 16, 2004 1) I just heard about it, I never plan to try it. 2) Opening 1000m - 400m (8s) = 600m. Hard deck is 500m. 3) IHMO kill-line should inflate, question is what time it takes. Fido Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #10 March 16, 2004 QuoteYeah, just like an airbag - it's gonna activate on impact! Read this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #11 March 16, 2004 so does it cause the mian to have a bag lock?-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fool 0 #12 March 16, 2004 heve you ever tried cocking the PC after you've closed your container? Give it a shot, it'll probably give you a good idea of what would happen in freefall. S.E.X. party #1 "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "f*#k, what a ride". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #13 March 16, 2004 Quote(It doesn't inflate, and will cost you a reserve repack} If your lucky I don't understand the "if you're lucky" part... how could it get worse then a pilot chute in tow? as I have heard from instructors before, it may or may not generate enough force to pull the pin... even if it does pull it out, its gonna take longer. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #14 March 16, 2004 Impact. thats how it gets worse Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fool 0 #15 March 16, 2004 yep, either caused by waiting the 8 or longer seconds for it to open, or firing your reserve into the PC in tow... either way, I think I'll stick to cocking mine... even if it is a PUD, I'd still rather not find out what happens S.E.X. party #1 "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "f*#k, what a ride". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 25 #16 March 16, 2004 QuoteI don't understand the "if you're lucky" part... how could it get worse then a pilot chute in tow? I had a friend make a skydive with an uncocked PC. He ended up firing the reserve, then having the main extract once the tension was reduced (by the reserve extraction). His main and reserve entangled, and he spun into a runway. He's lucky all he got was a pelvis fractured in 11 places and six months on a wheelchair. I'd say that's worse..what do you think?-- Tom Aiello [email protected] SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #17 March 16, 2004 Quoteso does it cause the mian to have a bag lock? No, a bag lock is when the bag is out but something is preventing it from opening. An uncocked pc probably couldn't pull the pin, so you'd get a pilot chute in tow. Have there ever been any tests on the pull force of a collapsed pc and its eventual inflation? I think I'll conduct a few of my own the next time we're driving to the dropzone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #18 March 16, 2004 oh ok. Just curous i am learning and want to know what would happen i i screwed up..... i think i will make sure i dont screw that one up!! -------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazarrd 1 #19 March 16, 2004 isnt this something that is/should be taught at all DZs nowadays? i find it kind of scary that a student wouldnt have learned that during AFF or whatever student profession he or she used... .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #20 March 16, 2004 Once upon a time I had this PC that worked only when it felt like it. It resulted in 3 PC's in tow. I know I know. I should have got rid of it after the first pc in tow but, well....ya know. Any way, the first time I had a PC in tow I went straight for the reserve handle and had the same results as Toms friend minus the pelvis and wheel chair bit. The other two times I had PC's in tow I first cut away before firing the reserve and in each of the those events, the main had come out just as Tom had mentioned. If I had not first cutaway, I'm sure I would have ended up like Toms friend. Just food for thought Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckbrown 0 #21 March 16, 2004 I know someone who put a few jumps on a collapsible before he knew you had to cock it. It's probably good he was dumping high. In most cases, you're looking at a reserve ride. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crzjp20 0 #22 March 16, 2004 i was told to cock it but i wasnt told why. Didnt even think to asky why. was just looking at some stuff earler today and thought about it.thast why i asked. Not casue my dz didnt tell me to di it.-------------------------------------------------- Fear is not a confession of weakness, it is an oportunity for courage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #23 March 16, 2004 Quotei was told to cock it but i wasnt told why. Didnt even think to asky why. was just looking at some stuff earler today and thought about it.thast why i asked. Not casue my dz didnt tell me to di it. That's good. Asking about things, I mean. It is, imo, only natural to be curious about gear that you trust to save your life. That said, students are often given simplified explanations and I've been warned once or twice for going too deep into details when teaching- the rule being that they need to know the essentials and not be overloaded with technicalities- which works for students, but I think many people carry this blind faith in their equipment into their later skydiving careers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #24 March 16, 2004 I know just what you mean. When I first started, I was told to do this and to do that but no one ever explained why. My advice to you is to start hanging around the rigging loft a gain some knowledge about the gear you use. You'll feel much better about this sport and how safe you can make it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazarrd 1 #25 March 16, 2004 QuoteI know just what you mean. When I first started, I was told to do this and to do that but no one ever explained why. My advice to you is to start hanging around the rigging loft a gain some knowledge about the gear you use. You'll feel much better about this sport and how safe you can make it. yea, thinking about it now, i agree with that....it definitely took a lot of questions to learn about things like that .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
