Shivon 0 #1 December 20, 2003 Riggers - what containers won't you do reserve repacks for? For example, I know riggers who won't pack racers, and who won't pack anything over 15 years. What are your own rules, and why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
payback462 0 #2 December 20, 2003 i wont do catapults because sometimes 2 isnt always better then one edited (AGAIN)to add (why): i also wont do the new racer freebags with the rubber bands on them. because rubber bands dont like brass, and they dont like hot car trunks in arizona Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 561 #3 December 20, 2003 I won't repack anything more than 30 years old. Frankly, most pilot emergency parachutes are fadded, frayed and filthy by the time they reach 20 years old. I won't repack any square reserve that pre-dates 5-cell Swifts (introduced in 1981). I won't repack military surplus ejection seat rigs containing any kind of pyrotechnics (in AAD, drogue gun or spreader gun). Speaking of AADs, I won't repack anything containing a Sentinel AAD. And I was thankful when my boss put his foot down about no more round reserves at Pitt Meadows. On that note, I really wish that all the round reserves from the acid mesh era would quietly disappear. As for Racers ... it took me ten years to get good at packing them. Along the way I had to discard steel T-bodkins and invent a new tool. Fortunately Racers have almost disappeared from BC skies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #4 December 20, 2003 QuoteI won't repack any square reserve that pre-dates 5-cell Swifts (introduced in 1981). Speaking of AADs, I won't repack anything containing a Sentinel AAD. Out of pure ignorance on my part - why not? Edit to fix a typo "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
payback462 0 #5 December 21, 2003 QuoteI won't repack any square reserve that pre-dates 5-cell Swifts (introduced in 1981). Speaking of AADs, I won't repack anything containing a Sentinel AAD. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Out of pure ignorance on my part - why not? sentinals had/have a nasty habit of misfireing oh yeah, i wont pack KAP-3s Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 561 #6 December 21, 2003 QuoteQuoteI won't repack any square reserve that pre-dates 5-cell Swifts (introduced in 1981). Out of pure ignorance on my part - why not? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because the only pre-Swift square reserves that I know of are Para-Flite's Safety-Flyer and Safety-Star, both of which were tiny 5-cells with big pack volumes. They also had unusual steering lines. I made a few hundred jumps on Strato-Stars (main version of Safety-Star) and have not seen one in the air since the mid-1980s. As for Strato-Flyers ... the Canadian National Team jumped them for a while and ... er ... the best thing they could say about the canopies was that they were free! Hee! Hee! To the best of my knowledge, even Para-Flite wishes that those canopies were quietly retired. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 15 #7 December 21, 2003 >They also had unusual steering lines. I packed my first Swift 5 cell with the break away steering lines the other week and was puzzled to no end about this extra line until I read the directions. I would'nt trust a new AFF baby to jump a 5 cell, the jumper that brought the rig in was the original owner of the Swift and an 85 Vector1 so I trusted that he had the experince to fly it. I'll only pack things that are judged airworthy, that I have the manuals for and that I think the owner can safely land. I'm not going to pack round reserves for the majority of non military experienced jumpers just since their (and my) PLF skills are'nt up to it.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites newsstand 0 #8 December 21, 2003 Quote>I'm not going to pack round reserves for the majority of non military experienced jumpers just since their (and my) PLF skills are'nt up to it. Well my first four sport jumps, 25 years ago, and the only jumps I made until this year were on 24 foot T-10's. Can I jump a round reserve? No thanks! I landed a modern 230 square foot canopy backwards in a field full of cows and mesquite and it was a softer PLF than my best landing on one of those! "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites newsstand 0 #9 December 21, 2003 Thanks for the education! "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 94 #10 December 21, 2003 Quotesince their (AND MY) PLF skills are'nt up to it. A man has got to know his limitations People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 3 #11 December 21, 2003 QuoteI packed my first Swift 5 cell with the break away steering lines the other week and was puzzled to no end about this extra line until I read the directions. My first square was the original Strato Cloud, (230 sq. ft.) and it came with the tag lines for setting the brakes. Worked just fine for several 100 jumps.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NightJumper 0 #12 December 21, 2003 Quotei also wont do the new racer freebags with the rubber bands on them. because rubber bands dont like brass, The new freebags don't have any brass that comes in contact with any rubber bands! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NightJumper 0 #13 December 21, 2003 QuoteFortunately Racers have almost disappeared from BC skies. Acording to who? I guess it was another BC that we shipped the 20 rigs to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites linestretch 0 #14 December 21, 2003 QuoteThe new freebags don't have any brass that comes in contact with any rubber bands ---ummm, somewhere between the newer brass-free bags, and the older non rubber banded bags, they did have brass grommets for the 2 locking stows, that did use rubber bands. I just packed my boss's, and it's nasty looking. The old pack job sat for about 2 months past the end of the last pack date, and the rubber bands on the locking stows had broken when I pulled the bag out, and some parts of the rubber band stuck to the brass. Yeah, I packed it, but didn't like it.my pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 94 #15 December 21, 2003 Quotethe rubber bands on the locking stows had broken when I pulled the bag out, Bag dump on a reserve, that is not a pleasant thought. I'll take a safety stow.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sunshine 2 #16 December 22, 2003 I will not pack racers or reflex. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brits17 0 #17 December 22, 2003 Anything I consider unairworthy or I would not jump myself (because of safety issues), anything I'm not rated for unless under the supervision of someone who is (ie: seat, chest rig) or anything I don't know how to pack competently or confidently on my own. _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 8 #18 December 23, 2003 I won't pack a Reflex. No real specific reason, just don't like them... don't like the idea of a pop-top with no flaps over it with just one closing loop. Hey, just my opinion. If I were to happen to go to work for someone in a loft, I realize that I many have to change that tune, but right now, as an independant, that's it. I STRONGLY prefer not to pack Racers, not because they're bad or anthing like that, but because they require more steps / closing is more complex... fortunately I know several other riggers that will pack Racers... one of which actually LIKES packing racers... well, he works for JumpShack, so I guess he has to say that.. ... anyway, whenever I hear someone with Racer in hand say "re-pack", I quickly mention their names. OBTW... RiggerRob... the Racer may (or may not) be disappearing in BC, but there's a bunch around my home DZ here in SoCal. Swift 5 Cells with the "fly-away" steering lines... EKK! I packed one of those when getting my 20 for my Rigger's Ticket, but would STRONGLY encourage anyone bringing one to me to replace it. In fact, if I could side-step packing it for them, I would. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shivon 0 #19 December 24, 2003 Racers....Reflex...Swift 5 Cells. All great replies so far. Thank you. I guess the reason I ask is that I am quite new to the rigging business, and I am still 'developing' my opinions about where I sit on these fences. It's great to hear the opinions of more experienced guys (and gals). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sducoach 0 #20 December 24, 2003 Eric, Very interesting. Please help me out here. Don't most riggers (are you one?) read the manuals first? Please explain in detail your position on round reserves and how you evaluate a persons ability to do a PLF. How many round pack jobs do you have? Just curious, always trying to look at things from others perspective, thanks. Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 15 #21 December 24, 2003 I am still under supervision working on my ticket. When I got there the rigger I am studing under had already popped the canopy and was working on the inspection. I procedded to do the line portion of the inspection while he did the canopy. I walked the lines and was like WTF is this line just laying there? I thought that the canopy was broke so I walked over, read the directions on the canopy (The instructions say inspect as step 1 so thats where I walked in at) and it all made sense. I've got 5 round repacks. 3 were in Bailout rigs that had 28 foot canopies. All the pilots were former jumpers that when we gave them the rig back we gave them a paper detailing a PLF withthe rig as a refresher. I've got 2 sport round repacks. One was a 24 foot flat that I assisted in, the owner is about the only one I would feel comfortable with since he still PLF's every once and a while and has shown the skills. If a Jumper just off AFF came to me with a round I'd have major issues since if they are like most students they never really had to PLF a landing before and have no idea how much they help. If I doubt their ability I'd send them up to the picnic table and have them demonstrate one to me. Thats a simple test, if they fail I won't seek out help or assist in the repack.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pilotdave 0 #22 December 24, 2003 QuoteI will not pack racers or reflex. Why not? Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sducoach 0 #23 December 24, 2003 Thanks for the reply! Who are you working with?? Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sducoach 0 #24 December 24, 2003 Dave, Many riggers will not pack Reflex or Racer as they believe they are more difficult or they just can't do it. Just like anything else it takes some experience. I just closed two Reflex containers last night. I do not like the old ones (fords and chevys) but they are an okay rig. In fact they are pretty easy to repack just like the Racer if you know what to do. Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sid 1 #25 December 24, 2003 QuoteRiggers - what containers won't you do reserve repacks for? For example, I know riggers who won't pack racers, and who won't pack anything over 15 years. What are your own rules, and why? I won't pack the shit of anyone that kept me waiting more than 2 weeks to get paid (you know who you are) and you're DEFINITELY never getting a "Sid rigs my shit" sticker! Otherwise I'm not touching this thread 'cause I'm still recovering from the emotional scars from last time Happy Holidays Everyone!Pete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
PhreeZone 15 #7 December 21, 2003 >They also had unusual steering lines. I packed my first Swift 5 cell with the break away steering lines the other week and was puzzled to no end about this extra line until I read the directions. I would'nt trust a new AFF baby to jump a 5 cell, the jumper that brought the rig in was the original owner of the Swift and an 85 Vector1 so I trusted that he had the experince to fly it. I'll only pack things that are judged airworthy, that I have the manuals for and that I think the owner can safely land. I'm not going to pack round reserves for the majority of non military experienced jumpers just since their (and my) PLF skills are'nt up to it.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #8 December 21, 2003 Quote>I'm not going to pack round reserves for the majority of non military experienced jumpers just since their (and my) PLF skills are'nt up to it. Well my first four sport jumps, 25 years ago, and the only jumps I made until this year were on 24 foot T-10's. Can I jump a round reserve? No thanks! I landed a modern 230 square foot canopy backwards in a field full of cows and mesquite and it was a softer PLF than my best landing on one of those! "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #9 December 21, 2003 Thanks for the education! "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 94 #10 December 21, 2003 Quotesince their (AND MY) PLF skills are'nt up to it. A man has got to know his limitations People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #11 December 21, 2003 QuoteI packed my first Swift 5 cell with the break away steering lines the other week and was puzzled to no end about this extra line until I read the directions. My first square was the original Strato Cloud, (230 sq. ft.) and it came with the tag lines for setting the brakes. Worked just fine for several 100 jumps.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NightJumper 0 #12 December 21, 2003 Quotei also wont do the new racer freebags with the rubber bands on them. because rubber bands dont like brass, The new freebags don't have any brass that comes in contact with any rubber bands! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NightJumper 0 #13 December 21, 2003 QuoteFortunately Racers have almost disappeared from BC skies. Acording to who? I guess it was another BC that we shipped the 20 rigs to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linestretch 0 #14 December 21, 2003 QuoteThe new freebags don't have any brass that comes in contact with any rubber bands ---ummm, somewhere between the newer brass-free bags, and the older non rubber banded bags, they did have brass grommets for the 2 locking stows, that did use rubber bands. I just packed my boss's, and it's nasty looking. The old pack job sat for about 2 months past the end of the last pack date, and the rubber bands on the locking stows had broken when I pulled the bag out, and some parts of the rubber band stuck to the brass. Yeah, I packed it, but didn't like it.my pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 94 #15 December 21, 2003 Quotethe rubber bands on the locking stows had broken when I pulled the bag out, Bag dump on a reserve, that is not a pleasant thought. I'll take a safety stow.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #16 December 22, 2003 I will not pack racers or reflex. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brits17 0 #17 December 22, 2003 Anything I consider unairworthy or I would not jump myself (because of safety issues), anything I'm not rated for unless under the supervision of someone who is (ie: seat, chest rig) or anything I don't know how to pack competently or confidently on my own. _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #18 December 23, 2003 I won't pack a Reflex. No real specific reason, just don't like them... don't like the idea of a pop-top with no flaps over it with just one closing loop. Hey, just my opinion. If I were to happen to go to work for someone in a loft, I realize that I many have to change that tune, but right now, as an independant, that's it. I STRONGLY prefer not to pack Racers, not because they're bad or anthing like that, but because they require more steps / closing is more complex... fortunately I know several other riggers that will pack Racers... one of which actually LIKES packing racers... well, he works for JumpShack, so I guess he has to say that.. ... anyway, whenever I hear someone with Racer in hand say "re-pack", I quickly mention their names. OBTW... RiggerRob... the Racer may (or may not) be disappearing in BC, but there's a bunch around my home DZ here in SoCal. Swift 5 Cells with the "fly-away" steering lines... EKK! I packed one of those when getting my 20 for my Rigger's Ticket, but would STRONGLY encourage anyone bringing one to me to replace it. In fact, if I could side-step packing it for them, I would. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shivon 0 #19 December 24, 2003 Racers....Reflex...Swift 5 Cells. All great replies so far. Thank you. I guess the reason I ask is that I am quite new to the rigging business, and I am still 'developing' my opinions about where I sit on these fences. It's great to hear the opinions of more experienced guys (and gals). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sducoach 0 #20 December 24, 2003 Eric, Very interesting. Please help me out here. Don't most riggers (are you one?) read the manuals first? Please explain in detail your position on round reserves and how you evaluate a persons ability to do a PLF. How many round pack jobs do you have? Just curious, always trying to look at things from others perspective, thanks. Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #21 December 24, 2003 I am still under supervision working on my ticket. When I got there the rigger I am studing under had already popped the canopy and was working on the inspection. I procedded to do the line portion of the inspection while he did the canopy. I walked the lines and was like WTF is this line just laying there? I thought that the canopy was broke so I walked over, read the directions on the canopy (The instructions say inspect as step 1 so thats where I walked in at) and it all made sense. I've got 5 round repacks. 3 were in Bailout rigs that had 28 foot canopies. All the pilots were former jumpers that when we gave them the rig back we gave them a paper detailing a PLF withthe rig as a refresher. I've got 2 sport round repacks. One was a 24 foot flat that I assisted in, the owner is about the only one I would feel comfortable with since he still PLF's every once and a while and has shown the skills. If a Jumper just off AFF came to me with a round I'd have major issues since if they are like most students they never really had to PLF a landing before and have no idea how much they help. If I doubt their ability I'd send them up to the picnic table and have them demonstrate one to me. Thats a simple test, if they fail I won't seek out help or assist in the repack.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #22 December 24, 2003 QuoteI will not pack racers or reflex. Why not? Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sducoach 0 #23 December 24, 2003 Thanks for the reply! Who are you working with?? Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sducoach 0 #24 December 24, 2003 Dave, Many riggers will not pack Reflex or Racer as they believe they are more difficult or they just can't do it. Just like anything else it takes some experience. I just closed two Reflex containers last night. I do not like the old ones (fords and chevys) but they are an okay rig. In fact they are pretty easy to repack just like the Racer if you know what to do. Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #25 December 24, 2003 QuoteRiggers - what containers won't you do reserve repacks for? For example, I know riggers who won't pack racers, and who won't pack anything over 15 years. What are your own rules, and why? I won't pack the shit of anyone that kept me waiting more than 2 weeks to get paid (you know who you are) and you're DEFINITELY never getting a "Sid rigs my shit" sticker! Otherwise I'm not touching this thread 'cause I'm still recovering from the emotional scars from last time Happy Holidays Everyone!Pete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites