BobKnoss

Tommy Gunn is an industry standard for porno star names. There has always been at least one on the docket, sometimes more than one. Easy to verify. Incidently, Harry Bauhls was not a porn star, but he can't get his name on a pubic building.

The Special Agent in Charge. Could you be more specific? FAA agent or Minneapolis FBI agent....? He can speak for himself, or not.

Tommy Gunn!! oh Bob, you really do have the ability to make people laugh. You're wasted on this forum, you really should be writing comic novels. Just, maybe, names like that are a bit too cliched, huh? Yah. Then he found out that "Tommy Gunn" was a porno star!!! So he changed it again to Poelchek or something.

The training WAS jumping, most every weekend. He also got constant instructions on what was to happen, when to do what, etc. And it was 3 months... May 15th to August 15, approximately.

History as it really happened. February, 1969. FAA created an eight man Task Force on the Deterrence of Air Piracy. (Included our FAA executive from Norjak) August 29, 1969. First hijacking of a US aircraft outside our hemisphere. March 17, 1970. First pilot death in a domestic hijacking. April 9, 1970. 727-200's permitted to operate. (Jumbo) July 17, 1970. First airport introduces passenger profiling. September 11, 1970. Nixon introduces anti-hijacking program. September 25, 1970. DOJ announces spit jurisdiction with FBI/FAA. October 28, 1970. Air Marshals FAA program instituted. May 14, 1971. Courts uphold anti-hijacking profiling and searches. June 12, 1971. First passenger death in a domestic hijacking. September 23, 1971. Montreal Convention signed, but not ratified until November 1, 1972. THIS WAS THE PROBLEM! November 24, 1971. First extortion hijacking. Dan Cooper, et al. Take some of their money to get their attention. November 27, 1971. Nixon signed into law legislation amending the Airport and Airway Development Act of 1970 to clarify further the intent of Congress as to its priorities for airway revitalization and airport development. March 7, 1972. New security measures instituted. Nixon issues orders for immediate compliance of safety procedures. March 9, 1972. Nixon orders new airport safety regulations be instituted immediately. March 15, 1972. Nixon issues orders for increased security forces. More sky marshal deployment, he increases funding for metal detectors, bomb sniffing dogs, and expedited prosecution of hijackers. He signed his directive bypassing Congress. March 22, 1972. Nixon signed into law the International Air Rates Act, which amended the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 to authorize the CAB to end unreasonable or discriminatory rates or practices by air carriers in foreign air transportation. April 7, 1972. McCoy hijacks a plane and jumps over Utah. Maybe $500,000 will get their attention? June 19, 1972. 24 hour world-wide pilot's strike against hijackers. September 15, 1972. 17 nation hijacking conference signing was REFUSED!! October 29, 1972. A rash of hijacking started to Cuba. November 1, 1972. Montreal Convention finally ratified by Congress. December 5, 1972. The landmark FAA anti-hijacking emergency rule that went from simple profiling to 100% inspection of passengers was instituted by Nixon. This was Nixon's magic edict. January 5, 1973. responding to hijacking threats, the FAA initiates universal pre-boarding electronic screening of passengers and inspection of their carry-on luggage. February 15, 1973. U.S. and Cuba signed hijacking agreement.

Quote[PROJECT NORJAK] ORIGINAL PLAN: A Pilot's Union organizer with goals of airline safety and a lot of personal ideas meets a pilot friend with similar goals. They are both heavily into parachuting, one having made high altitude jumps and achieved instructor status as a rigger. They find they have very much in common and become lifetime friends. They come up with an idea to run a demonstration of how poor safety is for pilots and their passengers, incorporate a parachuting dream jump off the rear stairs of a 727, and draw attention to the need for the organizers designs for an aerodynamic lock for the rear stairs. They will ask for a ransom of $200,000 and return the money after the exercise. PLAN GROWS: In order to not be criminal, the ideas are discussed with Minnesota FAA officials related to a fellow NW airline pilot. The idea is applauded. So, the Special Agent in Charge, in Minneapolis is brought into the conversation, and being a pilot too, he likes it. So, they go up the ladder with the request to execute an exercise. PLAN APPROVED: The plan is given a formal name in 1968, "Project Norjak." The FBI guy is put in charge of the Project. McCoy goes to Seattle to brief that office. Weber is chosen by McCoy as the jumper as he is afraid to do it himself. He has used Weber before successfully. A trainer is chosen from McCoy's past, and I am brought in as a witness in case thing go foul. Duane and I are subjected to MK Ultra (BlueBird). PLAN MODIFIED: The scheduled trainer gets a major job opportunity with Bell Telephone and scores highest in the qualification tests. He accepts a position in Omaha in the main office. The organizer decides to take a risk and do the training job himself. TRAINING BEGINS: From May through August Duane Weber is trained for the demonstration. Each detail is meticulously gone over, planned by the organizer, who is dyslexic. He uses his affliction to confuse the entire plan. It is easier for him to understand. In the meantime the plan has gone up the ladder while negotiations continue between the FAA and the airlines on how to improve safety. Regulations are written and presented to a balking congress. Duane's wife absconds with the rent funds from the apartment complex they are caretaking. Two weeks later they are returned and everything is hushed up. NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUE: No progress. Finally it is decided to use the safety demonstration as a coercion to allow the President to force ratification of the Montreal Convention and cram the new FAA regulations down the throat of the airlines by forcing legislation on Congress. THE ORDER IS GIVEN: Holiday flights were always easy to get for a pilot with seniority as nobody really wanted them. An extra flight was added to insure minimum passengers, Duane was notified and the game was on. McCoy IS NOTIFIED: When the anouncement was made the hijacking was in progress, McCoy was called at home. He was having Thanksgiving dinner with his family. He finished his meal and flew directly to Washington while the plane waited for him to arrive. He boarded a helicopter with an FBI Agent and attempted to follow the 727, but did not have the speed. Interceptors sent out were too fast to be of value. FLIGHT PATH: The flight path had been carefully flown before noting fixed point references and vectors for radio signals in the light of day to insure accurate drop zone location at night. It was known that the flight path would be recorded accurately but the location would be based on other references. They could be 15 miles off course and not be recognized. This was done to disguise the actual drop area. Unfortunately "Janet" saw the plane and reported it to the office. JANET: The report of "Janet" came into the office and McCoy was notified as the Project ground supervisor. McCoy made a call on Janet as soon as possible and threatened her to be quiet. She could expose the real location of the flight path. DUANE JUMPED: Duane jumped from the plane with a pre-determined verbal signal over his chosen spot. He wore combat boots, two pair of thermal underwear, a raincoat and tied the money to his body with parachute chord. He used the chute with the "X" on the outside and secured it to the back of his rig. He landed in the woods and walked 15 miles to his destination by following a clear-cut. He banged his right leg on the stairs as it rebounded during the jump. It was cold, but he warmed rapidly from his hike. DUANE HEADS OUT: Duane stopped by the home of the Bell Telephone friend in Omaha for a meal, then off to New Orleans to a pre-determined job washing dishes. McCoy JUMPS: Six months later, McCoy made a follow-up jump without any FAA or FBI assistance. Two aggressive FBI agents wanting to make a name for themselves would not play the game, and a prison sentence was handed down. It was turned into another under-cover operation to gain the return of a large amount of cash stolen in a bank robbery by a thief named Walker. McCoy GETS A JOB, DUANE GETS A JOB: McCoy changed identities by the staging of his death and became Tommy Gunn, employed by the CIA. His record there is impressive. Duane was given a job as an insurance agent for the company that reimbursed the money Duane was never able to recover. TINA GETS ABUSE: Tina supposedly gets teased about saving everyone's life by distracting Duane with sex. She is given a bottle of French "whore" perfume. She gets repeatedly worse and is finally treated with BlueBird tactics. THE SPINNERS SPIN: Misinformation was generated from the very onset of the Project and has grown to an unmanageable proportion today. From the erroneous "DB" on Cooper's name that was let ride, to the far-fetched "KC" fable manufactured of late. Hundreds of 'wannabe' Coopers have shown up and plagued the FBI offices, draining resources and manpower. It is a really high price to pay. Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive. I cannot tell how the truth may be; I say the tale as it was said to me. ~Sir Walter Scott

No, dummy, it is your parody. A satire has some truth in it. It is not what I have said at all. You need remedial lessons.

The back side of the card should read: *This project has been approved for implemention by the Airline Pilots Association* A perfect example of how you can't register what was said. You got it as wrong as Jo does all the time. Gotta try hard to be that far off. You really are not very bright, Blevins. Four misspellings, ten major factual errors and a wrong assumption that I have a notoriety brain clot like you. Go back to your push broom ya money-grubbing troll.

It was the popular belief when the Government wanted to advance the claims of aliens in order to create a backlash and busywork for the Russians. Now they cultivate Cooper fenoms in order to take interest away from the conspiracies. Better if they would can swine entrails to throw in the graves of al-Qaida terrorists. That's what the British did and it ended the uprisings.

Parchment white? Really? That eliminates military or civilian manufacture. Aliens, maybe? Disguised as "dummy" chute? The chest-mount? Have you any idea what a terminal velocity opening on a 24' flat circular is like, especially in that configuration? Mark Yes, not a pure white, white. A dirty white. You funny guy! Obviously you not too well informed. Go back and study facts before assuming faulty conclusion. We been through all that dribble. Man who open mouth in bi-plane bound to eat crow. Man who jump mouth first bound to have crack-up.

That sounds familiar. Did I say that? First logical post you've made, Jerry. Are you taking your meds again? They DO help!

Swear all you like, but you are not telling the truth. There was no such thing as a "nylon standard issue, white big canopy" in the 60's or later. There were white canopies, and there were big canopies, but there were no white big canopies. Mark Mark, As you are probably aware, the standard "sports parachute" in the early 1960s was an ex-military 28-foot diameter rip-stop nylon canopy with a 5-TU or 7-TU modification. It was steerable, more or less, and usually white. The word "big" is relative so maybe it was big and maybe it wasn't depending on who is speaking. Some people have recently stated that one of the Cooper chutes was a Para-Commander. Again as you are probably aware, the earliest Para-Commanders were round and had their own front mounted reserves. So these allegations cannot be correct since neither of the back packs given to Cooper had reserve hardware attachments on the front. Robert Nicholson The sport mains of that era were not white. The 24' chest reserve was frequently white. The 28' canopies used as mains came as either orange and white, or orange-white-tan-O.D. PCs (and their variants, like the Papillon and later the Sparrow) could be ordered in any color. The double-L, 5-TU and 7-TU canopies were considered steerable, and the PC-class canopies were "high performance." Mark The chute Dan used in practice was a parchment white. It was NOT silk. It was a round canopy and it looked plenty big to me. 28 feet is awfully big. Don't think it was that big. Maybe more like 20-24 feet? Long though, as they stretched it out to fold it up. I understood you could kinda steer it by pulling on one of the four straps. They said it was not as steerable as a sport chute. I didn't jump with them, just watched and listened as they put stuff away. He was given a different chute for the exercise, one disguised as a "dummy" chute.

You just get all the facts wrong and quote incorrectly. Ever look at a TV with no antenna hook-up? SNOW. Just like what they saw in the helicopter following 305. Mac, Mac, Mac, Mac.

I know someone who knows that aliens exist because he was abducted by them, he was in a spaceship and can describe it too. Should we arrange for you two to meet? Was Bill Rataczak flying the spacecraft? Did Mac McCoy talk to them too? Did Nick O'Hara do a body search? Did Ralph Himmelsbach watch it happen? Did Cosey check them out? Was Duane ever on board? If any of them care to verify what you say, it sounds interesting. Otherwise it sounds totally feminine, but I can kinda understand why you would assimilate with this person. I'm not a UFO or a Cooper buff. I'm into hot rods and antique statue clocks, glass bookends and Art. I'll watch a sci-fi movie if my back is acting up, but I prefer a Charlie Bronson, Sean Connery, Steve McQueen, or Peter Sellers film.

Now you bring tears to MY eyes. I have always been a strong believer in the truth. I refused to go to VietNam because I believed it was wrong. I did not run to Canada. I stood my ground and took the consequences. I stood on PRINCIPLES! When I had my total recall of MK Ultra I documented everything. Mac said I could tell his story, because he was dead, but to watch out for Cap. So, I started. Things continued to come back. Mac and talked about it and what he did in the years after. I wrote everything down as it came back from my memorizations of word for word dictation. I have 50 pages of quotations. Word for word quotations. I can still run each session as a movie film in my head. When I told my attorney of what happened he said I had a very good case against the government for coercion, etc., but no proof. There would have to be a confession and confirmation. When I told my father what had happened and what I did, he laid down and never got up again. He passed away a week later. Why should I persist? Because of the principle. The truth is honest. What was done was not. It was coercion of the Congress, coersion of me with MK Ultra, I had to endure forced protection to keep me from talking. My professional career was ruined. I have had to deal with continual depression and nightmares, borderline manic depression from MK Ultra. Most MK Ultra subjects commit suicide because they can't get any help. I have repeatedly asked for help and have gotten none from the FBI. Even the guys in the Project. I'm still asking. I will not compromise my principles for everything I've been dealt. I will die before bow to the browbeating, lies, and belittlings, just to save some old guys retirement pension. Ain't going to happen. Apple pie, Chevrolet and the American Way! I WILL NOT LIE FOR ANYBODY!!! Why you ask? Because they PISSED me off!

I swear this is the real truth. I have no reason to not tell the truth.

No. You don't. If you did, you could prove it. Since you can't prove it, you don't know. You assume. YES! I do. I don't have to prove it to know it. I saw it go through the whole planning stages, lived through the execution and received reports of what happened by the players. Yes, I absolutely do. You don't know because it hasn't been proven. Were ou in the passenger cabin on the night? Did you SEE who jumped? No. You assume you know, but you don't. Yes, I know. I have multiple witnesses and personal identification. I absolutely know. The witnesses have confirmed to me but they will not confess. When they do, then YOU will know too.

One man used his knowledge and desperation to commit the Perfect Crime. Quote THAT is the most laughable sentence ever written on Dropzone!! Duane couldn't even tie his own shoe without breaking the shoestring. He had never been on a 727 before he took a walk-on tour. He never had a parachute on his back before 1968 in Minnesota. Who are you, really? Retired Agent Who? You aren't who you say you are. You just denied everything Duane said. It was not a crime, it was a Project. They helped him get away. They PAID him!!!

No. You don't. If you did, you could prove it. Since you can't prove it, you don't know. You assume. YES! I do. I don't have to prove it to know it. I saw it go through the whole planning stages, lived through the execution and received reports of what happened by the players. Yes, I absolutely do. You don't know because it hasn't been proven.

Hey! They train monkeys to assist paraplegics with their daily tasks. How is this much different? WE know who Cooper was. Jerry does not.

That is why they went to the FBI and the FAA for support before doing anything else. They got the blessing of the FAA honcho I spent three years with, and Mac got the cooperation of the FBI through the Minneapolis office. This all got put on the back burner of the 'plumbers' while the FAA negotiated with airline lobbyists in Congress. A stalemate and perceived increased risk caused Nixon to issue an Executive Order instating all the new FAA rules and regulations. Nixon didn't plan it, it was handed to him on a silver platter as a result of Pilot's Union goals and extensive pilot and FAA participation. All of the FBI guys involved were pilots also. Not really a conspiracy, more of a general pilot's demonstration(s). Can you say, "coercion?" There were only four people that knew, but that number has grown since then, mostly just hearsay. Now there are maybe three left, and a lot of hearsay. I'm just sayin'. A retired pilot, a retired CIA Liaison, and a retired engineer. There is a debate about the Agent. The fourth guy was Duane Weber. He did the jump and Jo can tell a rose-colored story of what she wants everyone to swallow. It does not include the other three, or any of the many other helpers because she does not want to do any "HARM"..... Well, there isn't any harm going to happen because everything is going to get buried in the name of National Security. An old fat German Sargent named Schwartz stands guard at the backdoor of the FBI. He salutes sharply and clicks his heels together, "I du nut no nuttink! Now, git owta herrrrrrrrre, MOX SCHNELL!" And the little American children play blissfully with their toys as people are murdered in Mexico and Zealots plot the death of the World while politicians applaud the Muslim Brotherhood's love. It is out of hand. Break out those old Nukes. Let's start testing crop genetics for increased production from radiation fallout exposure. Where's Nancy? Nancy?

Jo does not like me. I'm a bad person, just because. You're right! I may be her long lost cousin-in-law four times removed on the paternal side of Jamie Cooper since we are both from western Minnesota. Not much to do out there except sleep around. TV antennae have to be over 100' to get any reception, and the ground is too hard to bury closed circuit cable. Watching crops flounder or the floods subside is too energy consuming. Lots of family out there. Here is a picture of my brother and Jamie's sister at our last family reunion. Jo is cuter, however. She may have had her ears flattened.

Hogwash. There was no such letter. You want to weave your little fantasies about the Cooper case, fine. Just leave me and AB of Seattle out of it. We're not interested. We deal in facts and evidence around this office. Actual Fact: Lyle Christiansen didn't approach anyone regarding his brother until 2003, nearly ten years after Kenny died. Actual Fact: It wasn't Skipp Porteous or Nora Ephron that Lyle approached FIRST. It was the FBI. Check Geoff Gray's article for details. He went to Skipp later after the FBI interviewed him and wrote Kenny off as a suspect. So, you won't investigate as a diligent publisher, indicating you already know about the letter and have perpetrated a hoax on Lyle's say so ?? That is what I suggested before. I thought you were honest and diligent and would never lie? You are reversing your perspective. Tisk, tisk, tisk. St. Peter will be so justifiably disappointed. Two different stories, diabolically opposed. I believe Rataczak, because he is a very honorable young man, even if he backs off his story. He is as good as they come. Nice person. A Gov. Jesse Ventura Centralist Independent. You claim to be awful, and live up to it. Not a nice person. Probably a Nancy Pelosi Left Wing Democrat. Double, double, toil and trouble Fire burn and cauldron bubble Double, double, toil and trouble Something wicked this way comes. Eye of newt and toe of frog, Wool of bat and tongue of dog, Adder's fork and blind-worm's sting, Lizard's leg and howlet's wing. Double, double, toil and trouble Fire burn and cauldron bubble Double, double, toil and trouble Something wicked this way comes. In the cauldron boil and bake, Fillet of a fenny snake, Scale of dragon, tooth of wolf, Witches' mummy, maw and gulf. Double, double, toil and trouble Fire burn and cauldron bubble Double, double, toil and trouble Fire burn and cauldron bubble Double, double, toil and trouble Fire burn and cauldron bubble Something wicked this way comes. ~W. Shakespeare

DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! And correct the answer to the question is................ NUMBER TWO! JT IS PART OF THE COVER-UP!! We made a break-through! Jo has finally discovered some truth!

YOU RANG? I'm assuming you love Jamie. Let me assume for the sake of argument that you are totally honest in your presentation of Kenny Christensen, and I believe you 100%. First, then, let me say that I apologize from the bottom of my heart. I was totally wrong in my assessment of your virtues. Second, may I suggest that people are taking advantage of your apparent trusting character and using you to advance the last wishes of Kenny Christensen. In Kenny's will, when it was opened was a letter addresses to his brother Lyle, as I understand it, which requested that he, Kenny, be advanced as having been DB Cooper. Lyle tried in vain to accomplish this for his dead brother but was unsuccessful. You bit on the apple. You have been taken advantage of, Robert. They lied to you. Jim Rataczak informed me of the letter long before you got involved. Now if this new found truth in you is in error, and my apology is scoffed upon, you will not investigate this further and you will accept that nobody ever told me that, and continue exactly as before. If, on the other hand, you are a true and honest man, you will investigate with as much vigor as before, and grill old storyteller Lyle and get the real truth. You see, everyone really knows that DB Cooper was really Duane Weber, apparently, except you. No apology will be required by me, as I know how easy is is to be led astray in this game. Jo is a shining example, and I've been a victim too. So, which is it, Robert? The honest, diligent publisher, or the publisher of intentional lies and misinformation? Restore our faith in the written word and do a little digging for the real truth. I absolutely guarantee if you try hard enough you will find that what I'm telling you is what happened to you, assuming the above. If not, it happened with your total cooperation. One or the other. Why would I be so insistent or try to present such a bold proposal? It is true.