BobKnoss

A white hat because you honestly think you are doing right. Half the story because she refuses to implicate the trainer as she knows that part of the story and they have discussed it and the kids. The only fiction that is promoted here is more and more volunteer Coopers. One after another. There are what, 2000 confessors? 2000 calls a year to the FBI? Jerry, you should confess, too. You know enough and we'd all sign on, just for you! You could be famious, infamious, like Zorro! In a black hat!

Thank you, Doctor. I'm secure. I will write no story, no books, no articles and I will expose the untruths as they are presented as accurately as I can. I am far from superior and am the first to realize it, but it is an advantage to know what really happened, when someone claims that DB Cooper was Mr. XYZ, and you know better. Jo can take care of herself. She built her nest and can lay in it. Not my nest. Hard to keep half the story a secret. My information is too far out for her to sign on and maintain her credibility, but down deep she knows I'm right. Sad situation.

Your story reminds me of the final scenes from Raiders of the Lost Ark: Army Intelligence man: 'We have top men working on it, Dr Jones...' Indiana Jones: 'WHAT men?' Army Intelligence: 'Top men...' I'll admit your Cooper Fable is one of the most entertaining, if not actually fact. Get out of town. You are funnier than an ant trying to climb out of a sand hole with a wooden crutch. Just more fiction from a fiction writer. Glad you are enjoying the presentation of honest to God realism. We need to put Bob Hope's big white hat on Jerry as he rides the nuclear bomb out of the bomb bay doors, YEE-hay!!! Then you could make it your story.

Take two aspirin and try again in the morning. Nullo comprendo. Are you saying I am correct and we should not be discussing this on the internet and you are threatening me? Quade? What is he saying? Does not sound sober or militarily ethical to me. Sound like a complete admission.

HUH? You funny guy, bud can't undersland whad you do trin to ass, bubdy! "Feats asinine make clear how low we've sunk! “Survivors” feast on rodents fried in grease ... It thrills the voyeurs and the debauchee ..." ..Wills

Not quite right, Jerry. I stand by my information because it was part of my life. Not speculation. Anyone can disbelieve it or consider it, or just question the theories professed by others. The people involved here are anything except idiots. There are a few very stubborn individuals who will not consider the possibility of a conspiracy no matter what. I'd be on that list had I not experienced it first hand. Too weird to be real. But it was as I have told it. Bill has a different perspective, but the basics are the same. Ease up, Boss.

Picture of the badge Mac used in Missouri. All the paperwork has mysteriously disapeared, especially the pages with McCoy's signature. So...as far as actual proof, there isn't any ...is what you're sayin. Yes, there is plenty of testimony that is not being presented by the real important community leaders who I mentioned more than once. So it is what nobody is sayin'. Physical evidence has been eliminated piece by piece down to little tiny details. The internet has been scrubbed, records at the insurance company, the Pentagon, Flying Cloud, Missouri prison, Pa. prison, everywhere. Try and find anything anywhere. Zippo. Nadda. What is available is cow tootie, or a blend thereof. Like Blevins' creations. You are not dealing with amateurs. It takes tons of hours to do what has been done. Somebody thinks it is important, but they won't tell ME why. I dunno. The FBI just says they have "a different point of view." Go figure. Gotta agree, it's different.

Nobody knows! Poof! The glasses, the butts, the BY pin, must have been rats in the evidence room. I think I know, but I can't say because he'll get really mad at me again. Poor old guy could have a heart attack. Had to be a friend of Mac's to return the BYU pin. Maybe the guy that faux shot him? Makes the most sense.

Picture of the badge Mac used in Missouri. All the paperwork has mysteriously disapeared, especially the pages with McCoy's signature.

Due to the extensive evidence tampering and data misrepresentation (Hemmelsbach is accurate) by retire agents and the Cooper Crew, the political background of Watergate-esk Projects, J. Edgar Hoover tactics, etc., Larry Carr told me (that if I were telling him the truth) this case could NEVER be solved. So it boils down to a wee-wee contest of professional storytellers trying to get a foothold on prosperity. It is an albatrose around my neck, but I feel obligated to fight back for the hand they dealt me. It was not legal, it was not right and it was not fair what they did to me, and I don't like it one little bit.

Close enough for 40 years ago. I try not to read too much printed matter as it can alter my memory worse than time does. I wrote everything down years ago, but rarely review it. You get the overall concept. I'm not conducting a trial here, just discussing what I think is relative to what really happened that can eventually be exposed by others still living. I don't pass out copies of my notes. My attorney has read them but returned them, and Bill had a copy and asked me to destroy them. Yes, Mac had a badge they gave him. He used that to get Duane Weber out of the Missouri prison, too, for his early release, assigned to McCoy.

I know you want to make it sound as if that means something, but wasn't DB Cooper also wearing a black suit? Point is, "black suit" is meaningless. Janet claimed he wore a black suit. Mac said he wore a black suit. I believe he wore a black suit. Doesn't mean anything except stories match. No 'men in black' references, no buggiemen, no bugs! Gee, I had a black suit too. That was kinda the style back then, with narrow black ties. FBI guys were known for their gray suits. I think, weren't they?

305 was flying at 10,000 ft and 'Janet' claimed she saw it at 45°. AA+BB=CC Twernt no 8 miles. More like 2.8 miles. I never met Janet, nor have I ever tried to validate her claims. What I can offer is the report I received from Sgt. Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr., repeating the story told by Janet having come into the office. In order to squalsh the story, Mac went to see Janet as an FBI agent, and told her to "keep (her) fu.king mouth shut!" Now, you ask Janet if that is not correct. He was dressed in a black suit and had a badge, representing himself as an agent. From McCoy to me. If her report didn't have validity and cause a problem with conflicting facts, Mac would not have had to scare her, would he????? The flight was 15 miles WEST of where it was reported to be in order to hide the real jump zone. Janet's story confirms this. Mac confirmed Janet. You may also safely conclude the ease with which this information passed to McCoy from the FBI office had some bearing on who was running what. My God, guys, this is not that hard to figure out. It is ABC's in second grade math. Add it up.

Really? Proof? 377 He said so. Proof has to be out there somewhere. After five years as a lawyer, Nixon joined the navy in August 1942. He was an air transport officer in the South Pacific and a legal officer stateside before his discharge in 1946 as a lieutenant commander. Read more: Richard Milhous Nixon — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0760621.html#ixzz1i4nSbdVJ

Let me ask a few questions that help shed a little light on the obvious. 1. What do you think happened to the notes from Cooper to the Co-Pilot? Why did they not surface? Whose handwriting was on those notes. Why? Where are they now? I know. 2. Why was Tina ridiculed and laughed at? Why was she presented with an expensive bottle of French perfume? Who bought it? I know. 3. Why all the confusion about the parachutes? The SPECIAL chutes? I know. They were stored for the jump and the FBI was responsible to acquire them. They were incompetent. 4. Why did the co-pilot ask if everything back there was all right? I know. Signal to jump. 5. Why does Rohdes say the item found in the plane was McCoy's BYU pin and the FBI now say it was a tie clasp? I know. Mac got it back. 6. Why does Jo dis-own my comments? She told me. I know. 7. Why was the flight path actually flown parallel 15 miles west of the reported path? I know. Puts the jump in open dairy land. It is very obvious when you verify janet. 8. How did Cooper get to the right spot to jump? Not an accident. I know. 9. Why can't the FBI ever solve this case? I know. Carr said so, too. 10. Where is McCoy? I know. But I ain't sayin'.

If we are going to belittle others positions, let's be correct, 377. The Operation was an FAA project executed by pilots. The FBI agents involved were PILOTS, the Army guys were PILOTS, the co-pilot was a PILOT. Nixon was a PILOT, the new head of the FAA was a PILOT. Hemmelsbach, O'Hara, Happala, McCoy, all of them were PILOTS. Any CIA guys that may have been involved were most likely PILOTS first. Duane and I were the NOT pilots. We were induced labor. As for Blevins. His stories are intentional fabrications initiated by the crew. The whole Christensen thing was fabricated by the 'Cooper Crew' to water down the obvious. It is his job to discount anything I may say. You can totally ignor anything Blevins says as pure bunk intended to cover up the truth. "There are a lot of very important people that have been involved here, pillars in our communities, that are at risk, should the truth be known." I'm sure you all have heard that warning. Keep your information curtailed to the mundane. If the truth is told, cover it up with immediate loud countering response. The people who KNOW first hand what I know are subject to arrest if they confirm my claims. They are constantly afraid of phone taps, being watched, and being investigated. They refuse to talk to good reporters or authors for fear of being trapped. I have been threatened to keep my mouth shut more than a couple times. McCoy said I should speak up. So I am. I expect some of you to fight back with everything you have. I just want the truth recorded. When Rataczak releases his book, you can compare notes. Apologies will be accepted after 6 PM, Monday thru Friday, except on Holidays. Time exposes all conspiracies when this many people know the facts. I can wait. Rattle on, Dude.

Duane knew knots. Also related, he always carried a pocket knife in his pants pocket, and often would steal Kool-aide packets, preferably lime but anything was ok, and keep it in his pocket to lick from his fingers. Jerry, you are stuck on minutia again. I can out-minutia you with what REALLY was. The difference is my KNOWING vs. your GUESSING. Ask your friend to tell you the truth and if he does, you will see what we are telling you is fact. You have no basis to counter what Jo says all the time. Just once in a while. (:#)^

Doesn't make any difference, Jo. The tie clip was added to the evidence box when the 'in charge' FBI agent swapped out the Brigham Young gold medallion with McCoy's initials on it. You have to go back to the initial agent's data to see the actual original truthful information. I think Bernie stated it correctly. You are stuck on too much disinformation. There was a serious personal problem between Mac and Duane having to do with wives, and Mac's pin was a souvenior item of Duane's activity. He intended to involve Mac in his jump. I got this directly from Duane, and Mac confirmed it. Mac got the pin back by swapping the tie clip.

Show us the bones, oh wise one. No bones, then he made it. More evidence shortages, Jerry. Not only can't you prove it. you can't even suggest one bit of corroborating theory. Name one person who died jumping out the tail of a 727, including the ones you are trying to coax out. Ain't no bones, ain't no more money, ain't no more Cooper, ain't no more hijackings, well, except the Towers almost none. Give 'em three Silver Stars, one each.

That was not your argument, your argument was the exit and freefall stability. I called you on it. If you knew any thing about the argument you would not be making it. If I recall, I think we agree, on our opinions (ie no facts to back it up) , that Cooper did not walk out of the woods. Matt That is beyond the realm of simple reality. McCoy jumped BECAUSE Weber made it, and he improved the procedure by backing down the stairs. That big chicken would never have jumped if Duane had not made it. "Cooper" stopped by in Omaha for a belated Thanksgiving with Denny Nichols and family. Dead man walking?? Duhhhhh.

FYI: He was not a chain smoker. He smoked when he could afford it or when he could bum them. He was ALWAYS bumming, then he'd put them behind his ear. If he bought a pack they were a soft menthol brand. Lady cigarettes. He liked the flavor. He was told to smoke 'coupon' cigarettes to help establish a profile, talk firm, no swearing, say you have a 'grudge'. DO NOT SMILE! Yes, he was nervous. Wasn't sure he'd make it, and they don't serve drinks before or after dinner in the clink. But Jerry should know all that, right, Jerry?

Mr. Knoss: I've been away for almost a week. I come back and I read that you are referring to Mr. Thomas as Terry in one post and Jerry in another. If you really are not dribbling your wine onto your keyboard...as it seems that you are...could you enlighten me with some "real facts" [your term] and maybe some background, and some "real fact", about how you knew Mr. Thomas and what your story is actually all about. Thanks! I think Jerry is funny. He is more like Terry Thomas than Jerry Thomas, hence the "Terry". Mr. Thomas was the person Bill Rataczak had me email my mutually confidential information to many years ago. I only released a couple thoughts, but was made aware of who he was. Bill did not use the computer and he did not want to talk Cooper details on the phone. Bill knows who I am and my involvement as McCoy's witness, but he is not happy, as he wishes to tell a different story. My story is from McCoy's perspective, "The other guy." I have not, nor will I write a book, movie, nothing. I detest the fabrications presented that attempt to cover up what really happened. The evidence is so destroyed that no arrests could ever be made without a full confession. It is just history now. It would be great if at least one historic incident could be recorded as it really happened. Way too much stuff has been buried. I am just interested in this little one, because I was part of it. Somebody else can fight the battle on the big ones. Those get damned dangerous. Leave them to Governor Ventura. I have made several posts outlining the events of Project Norjak (Named so in 1968 as part of the President's Commission on Highjacking) detailing the course of events that led to the institution of baggage searches and passenger inspections in the airline industry. The details and minutia I find captivatingly compelling, but technically unimportant to the overall scope of the project. A well executed plan in backward details by dedicated, daring men I am honored to know. They deserve praise rather than scorn, but that's the way the game is played.

You can not prove a negative, Jerry, but you keep trying. Can't fool me or discourage me. My dedication is only to the real facts, not the fabricated dribble by any professional dribblers. Don't forget, I was on your team back before there was a crew. I'm the bad A Team angel, "Al^."

Tell them about waiting for McCoy to get there, Terry. The plane was held for Mac!! He was on one of those choppers. Check the FBI training film on chasing Cooper. They used another McCoy stand-in. A Canadian actor. Ha-ha-ha-ha. I have pictures posted here. Happy New Year!

I was trying to help ol' Jer find his Holy Grail. Duane Weber's chute. I did not help Duane bury it. I am simply telling you that two people gave me the same information, one was Jo Weber. It is not MY claim. I ain't walking 100 feet on Jo's say, that it was buried under a tower that ain't there no more. But, since Terry Thomas was lookin' for this golden parachute, I thought I'd give him a helping hand and tell him where Jo says it was buried. Sleuth that he is, he could probably figure out the coordinates for that old tower on some old forestry map and go dig it up. But since he doesn't waste his time on rich gold mines, why should he spend time on a collectible old Weber parachute? Finding the parachute doesn't show me a thing I don't already know. There is nothing that I do not know that I care to know about this case. I am only interested in exposing what really happened without anybody getting punished for doing what was an approved civil service project. I deserve no credit, I did nothing. The ones who deserve the credit are on my list of other people who know what happened, plus a few that have since passed away. Sorry, 377, not lookin' for your respect, just trying to activate your street smarts. You struck me once as having some. You're a hard nut to crack.