BobKnoss

Because we KNEW who packed the X chute and it was sewn shut to prove nobody tampered with it!! Ask BILL RATACZAK. He is a better expert. More informed. More first hand experience. A true hero in my estimation. But very bashful when it comes to his accomplishments. (;#) ^ Making no sense is what makes sense. If you try to make sense of any of this caper, you are going the wrong direction. Ask BILL! So there.

Broken record playing........ Duane used the X marked chute on his back to allow him to tie the money on his belly. He tied the chute on with a double chute cord and tied a bunch of knots in succession. The trainer who told him to do this is well known to us all and was a top notch rigger and high altitude jumper. He said this would work but that not many people would know it. He is dislexic and planned the entire caper from a dislexic perspective. Everything is backwards or not as you suspect. Hence, a 'bad' chute on backwards, jump at night, 15 miles west of reported path. Bad guys were good guys, good guys were bad guys. Joke is on you guys! He was not Tommy Gunn. McCoy was Captain Tommy Gunn. (:#)

When Rataczak and O'Hara are gone and the family releases their book, you MIGHT get half the truth. You have already heard the facts, but you all choose to ignore them as preposterous. Mark my words. I have no reason to make up a story, but I have reason not to. It is not in my character. Your government in action. Pilot's Union, the 'new' FAA and Tricky Dicky. It is a documented series of events.

"Who here is really in their right mind? Are we all crazy or is this part of the Cooper conspiracy? Are we all obsessed or are there those whose job is to make sure NO one learns of Cooper's ID." Reply: Hey! The King has no clothes! Are we just beginning to realize? I have lived this thing longer than ANY of you. 43 years in April. Only one known living person has more years into this, and his years have made his hair snow white. I'm just salt and pepper because I don't care, frankly. Mac moved on, Duane passed on, Nick has amnesia, and a few play games with the memories for pocket change. It became a 'Tricky Dicky' moment hardly worth a second thought. It is the rest of that iceberg that needs the investigation, but that is not so popular. Joshua fit the battle, and the walls come a tumblin' down. I'm just sayin'.... Trivia, trivia, trivia. The better good at any cost is an inefficient expenditure. I'll just keep blowin' the horn.

McCoy told me his favorite TV show was Peter Gunn. Someday he was going to use the name 'Tommy Gunn' because he thought that was a really neat name. This was in the summer of 1968. I would think it safe to assume this was before I met you, Jo. Your information is incomplete. Sorry to anger you, that was not my wish.

Nuttall is only half right and Jo is half right. Combine the two and you might be 3/4 right. If my info matches George's, that's George's good guess. I don't listen to George. He rattles on forever and will not consider any other thoughts. Kind of a common Cooper trait. Can't eat chocolate, Jerry.

Not MY program, Mac's program. After 2 yrs he DID force an agreement. He became an undercover US Marshall who caught a fugitive who was allowed to escape (Walker). He was 'eliminated' as Richard McCoy and was renamed 'Tommy Gunn' as an undercover. He made several famous arrests (one as 'Captain Tommy Gunn' on a river cruise with numerous underworld kingpins) and was one of the best in the business. He was the only person to ever be rehired according to the CIA. This stuff is too far out to make up. It is what happened and JT should know it. Lots of us know it. It is no secret, just hushed up. Mac was 'on loan' from the Pentagon his whole life and served in many roles.

A two-bit thief that could be trusted who made a deal for his life. MKUltra insured his loyalty. This I can testify to.

In 1968 I was a college drop-out with a draft notice. I refused the draft. I was drafted for the ops by my investigator, Mac. Mac wanted a witness to support his activities as official. I was not called for his trial, he didn't talk, neither did I. I was ordered to participate by Commander John Anderson who later ran for President. Same guy.

No, Haven't a clue. My password has always worked. I went of my own accord.

I'm right about Mac's foot and the $15. Proves I'm legit. Mac bought a strawberry shake at the stop, too. RIGHT? My comments conflict with the story you are telling, YES. WHY are you trying to tell that story? Why not tell the truth? Who cares? The FAA pushed regs through the system and Nixon issued an Executive Order to effect them. That's a fly in the wind compared to current problems.

I was not DB Cooper. I am not a parachutist. I am not a pilot. I did not jump with Duane, Mac and Bill, although they did ask. I told them I was afraid of heights. Your requested knowledge has nothing to do with what I did or what I know. If you can't answer my question, you aren't the guy I wish to speak with. If you can, send me a private message. I'm really tired of all the obvious misdirection and lies. It is so phony it is laughable. Your parachute topic is just as rediculous. Why should I know that stuff? What I have stated is what I know. What I do not know is WHY all this subtrifuse??? Who is afraid of what and why? If Jo is who she says she is, she's harmless. Is Jo something else? Is that it?

Yah, yah. Opinions are like bellybuttons, everybody has one. Nice to meet THE All knowing Holy one on this obscure forum. Read and learn something. You might become truly educated.

JT: You said you knew Mac and he broke his foot. He didn't break his foot, only a small bone in his foot. It hurt, but he could walk on it. He gave the kid $15 for a ride, and that was not ever known. If you know this, you also know that Duane Weber was Dan Cooper, and you know who I am, and Nick, Denny, Bernie, Dave, Lindstrom, Selick, Truitt, etc. I know you that know Bill well, so we are all aware of the Project. So, now tell me why you want to play these silly games with Jo Weber? I know the truth is really deep and murky, but she doesn't have that information. only suspicions of it. Duane never talked about that other stuff. You guys spend an awful lot of effort on seemingly unimportant trivia... What is the big priority? I can't fathom your purpose? Sussplain it to me, oh Great JT? Mr. Boogieman! You have my number. I deserve an answer, I earned it.

*** All we need to find is that single piece of evidence that connects all the dots...I'm confident we will...sooner or later... hangdiver You have had that given to you and you have all chosen to ignor it. Jo tries to twist and misrepresent my input to discount it, and others tried to bury it with minutia. Repeat: The DB Cooper thing was Project Norjak, a pilot team effort initiating with the pilot's union growing to include the new FAA guy at the time, to government involvement all the way to Nixon. The initial purpose was to improve airline safety for the pilots through an approved 'demonstration' hijacking, which was delayed by the Hague and Montreal hijacking conventions. Nixon finally ordered the operation before using that and McCoy's hijacking as an excuse to issue his executive order for rigorous baggage and passenger inspection, et al, that congress was balking on. Check the sequence of events. It is all clearly documented. Although initially intended as a ploy to get other airline companies to go along with metal detectors and adding some safety regulations, delays waiting for negotiations in international conventions caused the operation to bloom into a much higher level operation. Nixon was very pro-FAA. All the agents and participants were PILOTS, except Duane and me. Instead of scoffing, study the facts of record. McCoy was an on-loan Pentagon undercover agent under Nick O'Hara. (Both were pilots) Ralph is a pilot, Haapala was on Nixon's Hijacking council and a big FAA guy, and another pilot, and my boss. He knew everyone involved and we all discussed it. McCoy was the facilitator, the pilot was the instigator, Weber was the activator, I was the witness. Nick was the operation leader, Haapala was the FAA, Nixon pulled the switch. Lots of pilots were involved down to the parachutes which were set-ups. McCoy got caught by zealous FBI agents that would not back off. Duane got a few buck from the ransom, early release and a health program for his illness. He LOST the frickin' money after he buried it. The pilot got his Cooper Vane, the safety regulations he wanted and a lifetime avoiding kidnapping charges. I got three years in desolate ND and a lifetime of nightmares. Now, rather than accusing me of total insanity, copy the facts in chronological order, highlight the time line, and open your eyes to the truth instead of arguing over minutia. You can't see the forest for the frickin' trees! Oh, and Duane went down the stairs headfirst. He whapped his right leg on the stairs as he jumped, so to avoid the same injury, McCoy went down backwards. Then he broke a small bone in his foot when he landed. Amatures! (;Q)

You are ALWAYS WRONG, Jerry. Everything you post is an untruth. I understand your objective. It is a retarded approach with me. You are funny guy. I know where you get your marching orders, from Cap. You always have acted as his gopher, you are one in the same. I believe NOTHING you say, so no sense even posting. I have your number. If you say. "No!" The truth of the matter is probably, "Yes". It's the old dyslexia game again. You are just another Jamie Cooper TROLL. Only your claimed knowledge is less than Jamies. And I really believe that you might even know the truth, under all that flounder. Duane said he had been in the service, that's how I know. He still had his combat boots and fatigues with the baggy pockets on the pants legs. Denny Nichols said he knew him from Bay of Pigs. Denny was a parachute jumper. Duane was not. Duane told Cap that he had had survival training. That is enough for me to believe Duane was in the Army.

No. McCoy did not break his ankle. You guys are getting silly now. It's beat-up on Bob time. Well, Bob doesn't care. Clown off as much as you want. It is amazing what knowing the real facts do to your self-respect and confidence. You see, I KNOW when you are wrong, and I don't care. Whatever makes your ego purr. You are saving your country from vicious fabrications of conspiracies, aliens, and honest FBI Agents. (Check that.)

I think Duane was in the army, not the navy, but who really knows. At 200-80=120, not 170. Just going by Google information. Look it up. That's fine. You can guess this and that all you want. I can tell you it was intended to be goofy, planned by a dyslexic. What was included in the training is exactly as I am telling you. You don't have to believe it. I just want it stated for the record. Cap can verify everything I say, but he probably won't. All of my notes include what he and Duane and Mac said word for word. It may have value to someone someday, nobody wants to hear it now. You all abuse poor Jo when she is trying to tell the truth, and she even gets some of it right. I really have a very poor opinion of the way the truth gets abused on here. I believe you all have an agenda, and it not a quest for anything close to truth. Bully pulpit and bullhorn. Quidaffi tactics. Beating up on poor sick old women and fat old cripples. Big tough guys with big guns and little... Brit Hume, Pasternek, Peter Jennings, Bill Crystal, Juan Williams, et. al., agreed that the story should not be reported. Maybe they are right. No big deal one way or the other. I just don't like the ridiculous lies like that stupid KC flounder. Jo's intentional omissions are just as bad. At least Nuttall has the background fairly close, he just needs to add the FAA cronological ocurances to the plot and accept Weber as the jumper. Nuttall is so bone headed stubborn I'm surprised he got as far as he did. Guess it was his partner's work anyway. He's gone. So is the progress that was being made.

His instructions were to count to "one-thousand-ten" (ten seconds) and pull. I'm sure he followed those instructions. Duane had had survival training in the service. "Wasn't bad, but I didn't like eating that xxxxx stuff." McCoy already did it. Enough said.

Gee, I won't have anyone to kick around anymore. I'm sure it will help improve the air a little. One less fantasy to have to skip over.

It is difficult to soar like a eagle when you are enveloped in Trekies. SEE ATTACHED.

Yah. I simply Googled "DB Cooper wind speed," and got a bunch of 80Kts references. So many in fact I was surprised. NONE said 5 Kts. George Nuttall told me the same thing. Actually, I think it was 60°F with no wind at all, full moon and clear skies. I don't believe anybody at all. I'm adopting Jerry's perspective. It never even happened even. Everything is a lie. Orange1 is a paid counter-conspiracy expert with telepathical talents that surpass Doctor David Black's. I'm zombied out. I'm going to write a report and send it to Moramar Kadaffi. Maybe he gives a shit. He wants to be a martar. Not me. More-a-martar DeDaffy. Postmortum script found in Mori's will: "It was really Mohammud Cooper! I lied." signed, Kenny Christiansen.

Cap, Jim, Denny, Karen, Confetti, Rick, Lupe, Scott, Nick, Ralph, Jo, Bob, Mac, Julie, Tam, Hallie, Mike, Mary, Etc., it's a long list, but they are not talking. Still in 'cover up' mode. Watergate type stuff. Resting is a lazyman's surrender to persistence. Guys on the front lines used to shoot themselves in the foot all the time. Sometimes they were not so good a shot and actually lost a foot. Jo's ability to put her foot in her mouth only shows dexterity, not marksmanship. Her basic claim is true, but that does not make MLK, JFK, Tony and Tommy, or RFK stories credible.

James Stewart to Hardy Kruger from Flight of the Phoenix: You are a funny guy, Bob. The Seattle office is still assigned to the case. It's not 'classified', either. It's an open case. You should write scripts for Ghost Hunters. Oh, how very little you know. And the humor in it all this that you could actually believe yourself. Star Trek has a few episodes that apply to you. One was a computer that 'could not lie'. What finally put it out of commission was a two prong statement. "Everything I say is a lie." Then, "What I just told you is a lie." Hopefully you will ponder this for an eon while you push your broom around town and we try to ignor your pointlessness. It is classified from my point of view as a National Security Secret and to be covered up, not solved. Anybody with real information will have come to the same conclusion. See George Nuttall, Jo Weber, me, the Gossett attorney guy, perhaps Grey and maybe Bruce, any good investigator worth a pinch of salt. Of course, you would not fit because your story is right down their alley, but not a high enough caliber for a second look.

Lying to the FBI is a felony. I don't think the FBI thinks Jo lied to them, just that her conclusions about Duane being DBC were incorrect. I'll be amazed if you get the FBI to administer a polygraph exam to Jo. 377 Clue of the day: If you want truth about the Cooper Case, DO NOT deal with the Seattle or Minneapolis offices. The Salt Lake office is much more up front on the subject and can lower the boom on the game playing. New York is an even better approach to putting the kibosh on all this garbage. You just need to speak with the right people. This is still a classified case. Get it? If you want headline information on the truth of the Cooper Case, go to my posts about the MONTREAL ANTI-HIJACKING CONVENTION and the timeline of the Cooper and McCoy hijackings. All this bickering is probably directed at burying those posts from discussion. Odd that no one has posted on the obvious glaring truth that shouts from the presentation. It is a compilation of FACTS OF RECORD that bring you face to face with what transpired. CAUSE and EFFECT. The Project Norjak package is just a football in FAA politics supported by Richard Nixon. I did not include Squeeky Fromme's arrest in the sequence because it came afterwords. Anyway, that was a football of a different color. It is there in blue and white and a little bold red for everyone to see. The only people who will refuse to see the obvious are the (as Glen Beck presented last night) paid Government Conspiracy counter-informants. Glen is hoarding gold. Looks like Glen was right on that one too. $1400 per ounce today. Up $300 from last year. My repositioned gold investments are up. Jerry....yours...up too. Jerry: [brown]If you want to use colors[/brown] you make the little enclosures like that, only type in colors that can be activated.