BobKnoss

So, it is merely my word against hers? A senile old BLOND protecting her own crimes? From early May to the middle of August is closer to FOUR months. Not sure where you learned to count, but it may have been the same school Brevens went to. (Attached)

Prick!

I know. The whole thing was designed to be so unnecessarily unorthodox that it would be impossible for anyone to swallow. You are very correct about burning books. I was wrong to suggest poluting. You reminded me of all the weekends we spent on Boy Scout paper drives filling up semi-trailers with books and newspapers. I remember several full collections of Playboy and Esquire magazines that wives put out for us to recycle. We recycled them, alright. You betcha. Lots of thing have changed since then. Now we are going to get digital daily magazines. I'm not believing THAT is real either. Amazing.

We used to hypnotize chickens by holding their heads down and drawing a line in the ground out from their beak. They would freeze in that position and not move at all. If you let them go too long, they would never come out of it. I think you could probably get a dolphin, a dog, pig, horse, monkey, chimp, etc., to pull a rip-cord. Holy Cow, just look at you guys! Some of you have done it thousands of times and you can't even spell! Now I understand some chickens have been able to do that...... Give the poor chicken the benefit of the doubt.

His physical condition was excellent, that is correct. He did not swim in the pool everyday, because his apartment complex did not have a pool. Our complexes were 100+ feet apart. My complex did have a nice large pool, however, I NEVER saw Duane in our pool, EVER. Let's stick to the truth, no need to exaggerate. Obviously he did not NEED to swim in any pool at that time, and correct, flat tummy and tough. Duane exhibited NONE of the conditions you attribute to PKD while I knew him. EVER! He was NOT stupid, likewise he was no Thomas Edison. From my perspective he was a friendly, willing, even eager participant. Only once did I ever see him exhibit any negative behavior. That was when Mac told him they wanted him to return to prison to serve the rest of his sentence. He turned around and kicked the gravel with an objecting whine. Mac said he would see what he could do. Then he returned to a regular normalcy. THAT is the actual truth. Your assumptions about his abilities are totally wrong. He was fine in 1968.

Cars cost less than $5000 back then. I said he pocketed around $25K, but Jo could probably give you exact numbers. That buys a lot of cars back then. Think how much Jo would have today if as an antique collector he had bought gold coins! You could OWN the FBI! http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/70scars.html

One problem with your scenario is the schedule for 11-24 was a late addition, so how can an op in 68 work if the flight doesnt even exist ... they must have layed in wait. [edit] ooops. They add the flight. Got it! Signed up for it, yes. "We were not aware of any jumps from a 727 at that time" ??? That's bogus. You know damned well there had been foreign ops from ______________ and ______________ orn. Let's not mention the planning commitee at Tan Son Nhut. That's common knoweldge! Snow even finally ventured in to confirm a piece of that - as you Snow is never wrong, just always very late and terminally incomplete. "Light Snow with snow thunder". So, your scenario is a bit off, fact-wise. Why in hell do you pull off an Op staged in Portland? You might as well pull of an op in Nome, or at Thule! Explain to me exactly what this op was supposed to accomplish - outside of upsetting a lot of chickens (to say nothing about those ranchers in Montana!). See above. Could have been instituted anywhere. It was better to have the cooperation of someone in the cockpit who knew the plan and a drop location. 400 pilots? Heard that somewhere.... One final question I cant resist asking! Did J Edgar know about this. Yes or No? I never asked him. I know it was mostly all pilots and old J Edgar was really pissed the thing didn't get solved right away. Have to ask O'Hara. He's not talking. Next question?

Well, if that's your new plan for explaining your version of Norjack, I'm all for it. But I'm not getting my hopes up. Typical, Robert. You can't even SPELL it, much less understand it. It is WAY over your head, dude!

Cuban connection? None. Duane may have been in the Bay of Pigs invasion with a few other guys, but I think that is it. Totally internal operation, no outside connections despite what Nuttall may think. Ask Jerry if he knew Tony Solatto (the head-in-the-vise guy) in Mexico. I think not. "(G) How is Cooper's hijacking unique from all clustering traits, if it is? Himmelsbach says Cooper was a copy cat (but McCoy was not?)." Cooper was NOT a copy cat. The plan was initiated in the early months of 1968 and carried out as planned. McCoy's jump was planned several months later in 1968 and approved about August, 1968, to follow Cooper's jump. Delays in implementation were encountered do to ongoing negotiations that finally bogged down. We were not aware of any jumps from a 727 at that time. There were plenty of bets on making it, however. Duane rolled the dice. Mac bet on Pass. Duane whapped his right leg, Mac learned and went down the stairs backwards. Copy cat or student? "Who is Gaylord?" Another reversal joke. Gaylord is a CAT! Gees!! See attachment. The dude from Canada was a mental case. He traded his gun for a sandwich because he was hungry!! Some great criminal mind to copy there! Two weeks to plan the Cooper incident? Duane couldn't have even purchased a chute and made his 'bomb' in that short a time. That is as stupid as saying McCoy was Cooper like O'Hara, et al. I though you guys were at least halfway smart. Some of this stuff is really out-to-lunch! Grasping at straws? NO MORE FICTION! That's the deal.

That's a funny way of putting it.... You know absolutely nothing about me. My last few posts just show that indeed, I do have a sense of humor. That's HUMOR? Sadomasochistic humor is as funny as rape. Go burn your books.

You are saying the USGS NAMED Tina's Bar/Tena Bar ? These are Government Boys we're talking about. Yeah, it could happen. The same folks who brought you free cheese and the atom bomb. NOT FUNNY AT ALL. The definition of a 'fertile mind' has obviously been misconstrued here. Lower in the dictionary is the word, 'fertilizer' which is the term that should be used to describe this half-cock author's brain. Anyone that can launch a major effort to represent 'Cooper wannabe #972' without checking known written requests to hoax the world, as the 'real true Cooper' would automatically try to involve an already seriously abused and vulnerable victim of this Project in further degradation and inuendo of criminal involvement. Have you no sense of decency at all? I have a very hard time trying to think of any American who is a low-life of proportions equal to yours. I find your continual self-centered perspective to be beyond the real of civil acceptability. I believe you to fill the bill for the true definition for rectal sphincter in the dictionary, definition number one. You could even be a lawyer!

"5. Knoss is claiming a movie was made and that he had a say in it. -6. Pictures of a wrestler are being posted claiming this to be McCoy." Post #21752 of 21884 Quote Hopefully we can clear the air on Jo's refusal to accept McCoy's involvement. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0063440/ (copy & paste) This is the actor who was the 'look-alike' stand-n for Mac in the FBI training film for Cooper Flight 305. I have the film on tape. The attachment below is a poor but actual picture of Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr. I have many pictures of Mac. Most all of them are with his beard. You can see the similarity to the stand-in actor. The newspaper photos of Mac are another stand-in actor, Henry Selick. I have identification photos of him as well. You can Google others, (not-so-obvious) of Henry. The photo I posted shows details that positively identify him, post surgery, as the 'fake McCoy.' http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=184279488268435&set=o.10001004301 (copy & paste) Mac is still alive and can supply factual information on anything there are questions about, but he can not openly participate. He has a new identity.

It is to become a Government Health Plan daily ritual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN0XTBctrOM

It took a lot of effort to get her where she is at now. She is apparently functional. You mess with that balance and you could put her back where she was. I agree, leave it be and move on to something else. NO MORE DAMAGE!!!

I can verify Duane Weber was Dan Cooper and that he was the person trained for Project Norjak. He was on his knees clipping grass with a pair of green hand clippers on the NE corner of 9140 Lyndale Ave. So. when we asked him to identify himself. QUOTE: "I'm going by the name Dan Cooper, but my real name is Duane, no 'W', no 'Y,' just plain 'Duane.'" UNQUOTE, etc., etc. I have made a formal identification to that effect before a judge, which is on record. I can verify that what Jo claims Duane told her is consistent with what I recorded from 1968-2011. I have also identified her Duane Weber as the Duane Weber I knew. That avenue is well covered. There are several others who can verify if you need them.

You'da liked Gramma. She was funny, too. Her favorite game was chopping the head off a lazy rooster and tossing him up in the air. He'd run around and I'd have to chase him 'til I caught him. Made for tough chicken. She played in the band, too. I can still hear her playing the piano. "Chops Dicks." Ding-ding-ding-ding....... Yah, you'da loved Gramma. She was bald, too. What's your last name again, Hotchkiss? You could be a long lost relative. Great-Grampa was in Pickett's charge, wrong side though. Gram was a Cooper fan from day one. You'd fit right in.

Does your mother know you are an FBI assassin? My Gramma was a sniper for the Pennsylvania Dutch. Used to shoot those FBI revenuers in the ass, come around snoopin' where they aren't wanted. She could shoot a fly off a cork at 300 paces and not mess up the cork. If she was feeling grumpy she might even take a wing off the SOB. I was always her little, "fart blossom." Nice old lady!

Slo-mo through the video. He left his calling card....... Ha-ha! Blow up to full screen, go to 47 seconds.

by Sluggo Monster, FBI Agent at large.

Propter hoc ergo post hoc You shoulda aughta known....

Yes, Jo. Everybody knows. You catch on slow. Time for YOUR re-write, too. I'd be happy to do that with you, IF you contribute it to the pool. Like I said..... You could get published, maybe, if that's the way the timber falls. Your conclusions may be wrong just like Nuttall's, but you both have fairly good references. Me, too. Jerry's call. I see it as the best route. The story has to be real and FBI confirmed to have any significant value. Anybody who knows will agree. That is the way it was originally set up, that's how it should go down. One for all, all for one.

You should have known the truth from what was in the will. Get thee to a tailor, money changer! Request black and white horizontal stripes in brushed cotton, pink underwear and beach loafers, a crew-cut and a big burly buddy with no teeth.... You rolls the dice with the FBI...you takes your chances. (That's racist which will help you greatly.)

"The deal is stop Writing Fiction..." That is STILL fiction. Less than 1/3 of the truth. Falling on your sword doesn't solve the problem. I will support you with the truth. You are not gaining anything by taking the blame alone as it is then indefensible. Too much evidence to avoid it. I think it is a bad choice, although it does wipe the Project clean without addressing it. Not fair to you though. I still think you would be successful following the whole truth no matter what Nuttall says. You created a cult following. One fact in your favor is that when the hero dies it's a tragedy; When he lives, it's a comedy. This was NO comedy. And on rode the 400.

Please get off the bottle, Bill. You are a real hero and need not reduce yourself to this level. I'll help you write a good book as a silent partner, no pay, just the truth. I know things you don't. "Certain things?" Why don't we just go for a Project pardon? Tell the whole truth, the good AND the bad. We all had good intentions and the truth will be accepted and applauded if we just go ahead and do it. Mac can't come out, but he can advise also. There is a lot of good that can come from doing it right. Don't wallow in the mire of lies and deceipt, you deserve much better, my friend. You have always been MY hero, not George. And you didn't talk to him for four hours, HE talked to YOU. Yah-da-yah-da-yahda. Been there, done that. The guy can't be shut up. I finally just hung up. You obviously were too nice. You listen to too many people and are totally paranoid. Let us help you for Christ's sake! Let's do it right. You will appreciate a couple suggestions Mac gave to me for my notebook: If you are an Agent posing as a mechanic, don't wear your wingtips with the mechanics suit when you deliver the ransom. If you are training a criminal for a hijacking, don't wear a jumpsuit with your frickin' NAME on it. Also, wearing your squadron jacket could be a ...give away. Don't hire a famous actor like Selick for a double. Don't page through magazines, you leave prints. Don't use a paperweight grenade that says, "Made in Japan," on the bottom. Don't forget your notes to the crew. Retrieve them. Don't pay passersby for a ride into town in your jumpsuit. Don't buy a soda at a roadside store, even if you are hungry. Don't bury money in a flood zone. Don't keep your ransom money under the bed. Don't exit rear stairs in flight going face first. Back down. Wear gloves. Don't talk to your big mouth sister-in-law. Watch out for super ambitious, hot-shot agents who won't take a hint. Don't buddy around with the investigating Agent. Al

OR MAYBE, you should try a source who isn't up to their frickin' eyeballs in the story! THAT would be a really good start, huh, O Great Leader? Go write your movie. Tom Clancy says, "PPPTTTTHHHHH!" That post was so ripe, the words are curling up on my screen.