BobKnoss

There is no acceptance of the real facts in the case on this forum. In most every case, the information is intentionally incorrect or intended to mislead the obvious. The thread is merely a medium for proliferation of mis-information by storytellers like Blevins who seek notoriety from an orange crate pulpit. I think the forum should be shut down and erased as it offers very little in true facts other than Mrs. Weber's basic premise which can not be proven to a bunch of naysayers. It is not a factual account of history, merely what certain people and their representatives wish to have you believe. Hint: It really ain't the case. It is simply window dressing to hide the real truth. Our Government does not tell you everything. Sometimes you get tricked into going along with their program. Figure it out yourself. Don't be taken in by these hucksters.

Misdirection of facts from the top down. Everything is not as it seems and is usually the opposite of the true fact. Project design is based on dyslexia. The dummy chute was Bill's and everyone is covering for Bill. SEE ATTACHMENT

The Sleuths now have a standing offer to go to the site where the chute was discovered and dig for more evidence. It's on their website. No harness or container were found with the Amboy chute, meaning someone removed them and took them elsewhere. Or they are still undiscovered nearby, and if found, would identify the chute. And somebody took the trouble to bury the canopy, as well. In a score or more of nationally and internationally published articles, Earl Cossey is quoted repeatedly saying he dismissed the chute as Cooper's because it was silk and not nylon. However, it is unlikely that the chute is actually MADE of silk. In the end, the Seattle FBI dismissed the chute as Cooper's without giving an actual reason on how they determined this. Not one. Five years later, in response to inquiries about the Amboy chute asking for any reason the chute was dismissed, the Seattle FBI says: ***'It is evidence in an ongoing case...' Maybe a FOIA request is in order here. How do you REALLY know the truth? And the truth on that is this: You don't. ______________________________________________ "However, does any of this mean that Cossey was right when he dismissed the Amboy chute as not being a Cooper chute... " You have to discount Cossey completely and not believe anything he said because he was part of the operation. He was the "go-to-guy" for the FBI to get the chutes. I know for a fact that the "X" chute was packed by Bill, not Cossey, and the chutes were intentionally stored with Cossey specifically for this operation. I clearly remember the entire conversation. Bill preferred the "older" chutes because they were better. It was the FBI that screwed things up on the retrieval of the chutes. I talked with Cossey about it. His comment to me and others was, "There are a lot of very important people involved here..." I can give you the list again, if you would like. That's the REAL truth of the matter. Not some cabin boy fairy story brewed up in the far reaches of your mind at the request of our mutual friend. Gotcha! You are an open book, Blev.

______________________________________________ "Care to explain KAJW4899? maybe it was BR-549?" CB radio licence callsign, smarty pants! Gees, you are always wrong on everything it seems. It is the only thing I can rely on with complete certainty. I don't remember my Hodgman callsign, but BR-549 sounds close. That sucker had some POWER!

"..... I mean even McCoy types were carrying real weapons..... " ______________________________________________ Actually, Mac's 45 was empty and the grenade was a dummy paperweight. Yah, real, but non-functional. Mac said the guy sitting across the isle was a big football type that could have taken him out in a second and he was scared to death that he might! A lot of little facts are hidden in the FBI training film of his hijacking, like wing tip shoes on the FBI Agent delivering the money... Mac helped make the film, if that gives you any clues. Bob Knoss

Here is an entry in the "FBI Notes" for 7:55 PM PST with Tina back in the cockpit. "MSPFO asked for stewardess best recollection of exact content of HJ briefcase. She got on radio [this would be the radio patch to MSP thru the ARINC network] and gave following basic information: - Eight red sticks, about 6" by 1" in left corner of briefcase, 'look like big firecrackers.' Two rows of sticks, four on top of four. - Wire attached to dynamite with red insulation. - Battery 'like flashlight battery, but about 6" high and as big around as my arm.' - Red sticks are about the color 'of my uniform.' " My interpretation of Tina's remarks are that the sticks and the battery were about the same length. The battery was probably the same kind as Sluggo has pictured on his web page. Perhaps the battery's length can be found more accurately and provide a more accurate estimate of the length of the sticks. The wires that ran from the battery to the sticks had red insulation. And the color of the sticks was about the same shade of red as Tina's uniform. Himmelsbach looked at a NWA stewardess' uniform and got the impression that Tina might be describing road flares. Robert99 I was present when the instructions for building this thing were given to Duane Weber. Bill told Duane to "Go down to Hardware Hank and get some wood dowels and cut them into lengths and PAINT them red. Get some wire and wad it up and throw it in there. You'll need a battery and maybe a clock too. It doesn't have to look real, just enough that someone could believe that it MIGHT be a bomb." I suspect that this is what Duane did as road flares as a rule are too big to fit the description given by Tina. Duane followed all of the other instructions exactly, so there is no reason to expect he would vary on this important task. This is the real truth of what happened, not speculation based on logic. It was designed to be a demonstration that did not happen. It was revived and used by the FAA under Nixon to persuade Congress to ratify the International Air Piracy Act, which they would not, did not do. Nixon then made it law by Executive Order. And THAT is your real BOMB!! Ask Nick O'Hara to spill the beans. He was in charge. It's a SECRET!! Like Nick says. Now Mr. Badgerman, McShutter, can claim all the bad things he wants to, since he wants to negate everything I say, but the truth of the matter is that I am telling you what really happened and he is guessing at best, if not fabricating like Blevins. I have no dog in this race except that I believe in total transparency. If it was right to do it, it should be right to 'fess up. If it was wrong, these guys should suffer the consequences. I think it was right. The politicians were wrong to put popularity above safety. If you don't understand this simple fact of truth, you should find a new hobby.

[skyjack71] "This group did all kinds in infiltration into the Mafia, Unions and other things - places only excons or desperate people would fit into. The did the job for the money - but all of them were loyal to their commander and chief. He provide for them and helped them to turn their lives around. In fact I also admire the man for what he did - even though the federal government would have opposed and prosecuted this group had they had knowledge of what they REALLY did....some of these guys were renegades. The one I met turned out to be respectfully members of society & some of them are still alive." ______________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------- Are you referring to the crew, "The Dog Boys?" The ones I call, "The Better Good Crew"? Scruffy, long-hair undercover guys that did as you suggest? Kind of a real-life "A Team"? They also got into the porno industry, the mob, wrestling, knock-off watches and Lord knows what else.

OMG!!! Bleeper, you have adopted MY position!! But there WERE people that were hurt. Tina is NUMBER ONE!! Psychological problems and failed remedies you would not wish on a terrorist. O'Hara hasn't worked for the FBI for a long time, primarily due to this Project, I think. My life was negatively affected, also. And you have to spend half your life creating cover-up bull-crap to feed the populous to avoid prosecution and embarrassment. Not exactly a Thanksgiving Party they threw, Bleep. He didn't get away with $200,000.... He LOST most of it by burying it, unable to find where he buried it!! He saw what the results of the Project were, living in Florida for a very long time. But I appreciate your partial capitulation to the truth. Now, accept Duane Weber AKA Dan Cooper, et.al., Project Norjak, a Government Authorized Covert Activity.

HELLO OUT THERE TO ALL YOU VIEWERS WHO DON'T POST! 147 folks have viewed the above post in the past eight hours and only one person posted a response. If you are shy but would like to vote, you can send me your tally via email if you would like: bruce smith (one word) at rainier connect (one word) dot com . Also, if you think more categories should be added, please be my guest. YES, you need a new category, Bruce, and you know I ain't shy. "Skilled, dedicated but very poorly led." Too much secrecy and lack of oversight. Instructions to supply the parachutes for the mission were slow to get in the right hands. It was the only task assigned to 'the boys' and the involved agents did not get the job done quickly. The actual working agents were not aware of the Project and simply followed instructions. I have not done a good job of explaining this in the past, but that is what happened. The FBI knows exactly what happened but are hog-tied to do anything about it. Complicity, tampering, national security, legalities, workload priorities, even embarrassment, you name it. I have discussed it at length with a number of forthcoming agents and CIA McCoy. O'Hara won't discuss it because he promised not to. Good for him. I was forced to promise under duress, so my promise does not count.

Ha-ha-ha-ha! And I'm the magic fairy from Never-Neverland. You are one of the most conceited, hateful, dishonest, underhanded persons I know, but I could be wrong. I don't think so. Just my opinion. Georger said so. And I KNOW I have an EXCELLENT sense of justice, truth and fair play. (;D) I'll rest for another period. Scream at the moon in my absence, I won't hear you.

We have read your ridiculous postings and the one above prove you have NO MARBLES left at all. Do you understand what a Dummy Chute is? Evidently NOT. I know iota about chutes - but, if Cooper used the Dummy Chute as his main chute he died that night! Before you claimed the Dummy Chute contained jump boots - now you are saying he used it as a back CHUTE... Please take you medication and go to bed. WE all know you were NOT involved & THAT McCoy had nothing to do with Cooper other than doing a Copy CAT which failed miserably. If the rigger WAS involved - the dummy might have contained some kind of locator. PLEASE note that even this is out in left field, but NOT as absurd as the post you made above! Cooper had NO assurance of where the FEDS would obtain the chutes. THE ABOVE IS 100% BULL CRAP! You know NOTHING of these subjects, but assume to be an expert. Wild speculation to dilute the absolute TRUTH! The dummy chute was a decoy filled with a good chute and packed by the same guy who was a "go-to" guy for A-1 perfectly packed chutes during his time in the Air Force. The same guy who packed Weber's chute in the training for Norjak. The same guy who was flying the Northwest aircraft. McCoy was the implementor and co-planner of Norjak and chose and procured Weber. He had used Weber for previous tasks and was pleased with his service. (Not to be discussed) McCoy was also Nichols' sergeant in the Army, if that helps you understand the associations. Weber knew that the FBI would be given the the chute location for their retrieval. The FBI had very little to do, but what responsibility they did have, they screwed up miserably. Took a while to get things straightened out and get the designated set of chutes including the good one marked as a dummy. Earl was the straw man and DID NOT pack the dummy. He stood in for the real packer, the obvious person, the pivot king pin, my "friend" the Hero. You know so little for being so positive that you know the truth from left field. Makes me think that you are not who you say you are, like Bruce suggested….. bite on that one. I'll take odds on it. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it is perhaps an animated decoy or a duck. 'Fess up. You're a straw stand-in. You overplayed your role. Gotcha! .

I'd rather get my oats BEFORE they get to the horse, thank you. Having a little first-hand knowledge makes a HUGE difference in comprehending what has been through the horse and what is still palatable. I venture to proclaim that the greater majority of what those other than Jo profess here is the firm clumpy brown round variety of oats. Jo provides less of that, but I'm still not going to be seated at your table. Keep in mind I have no "reason" except to fight for TRUTH, apple pie, etc. "Thou shalt not bear false wittiness against thy neighbor!!" Don't eat bad oats, either!

According to Tina (I think the actual incident is described in Tosaw's book), Cooper DID check the packing card of one of the backpacks. And apparently also checked to insure that the backpack had the proper rigger's "thread and lead" seal on the bottom ripcord pin. However, the above does NOT make Cooper an experienced jumper. It means simply that he knew how to pre-flight an emergency parachute. This plus other things that he did indicates that he was experienced in wearing emergency parachutes. Well, the truth of the matter is that Duane examined the string that the "dummy" chute was sewn shut with to be sure nobody tampered with it, because it was packed by the guy that trained him for this mission. I personally heard the instructions given to Weber first hand with my own ears. If he followed instructions, which Mac said he did, he jumped with the dummy chute on his back and the money roped to his front with parachute chords. He cut the stitching and rigged up that practice X chute. AND THAT IS A FACT, not speculation. I WAS there at the training and that is what was supposed to happen. Plural is Knosses. And the truth is often more strange than fiction. Fiction like your collective suppositions, fantasies and witches brews. Old Brewster is stirring the pot again. More talking out his bottom. These guys were heroes. Why make it a negative? There is so much Government interference in this case it could never be prosecuted and it is so old nobody really gives a Bleeper. Take the medicine, it is GOOD for you.

You must have a Knoss complex. There are a number of Knosses. The other Bob Knoss who lived in Pa. has recently passed away and to Bleeper's dismay, it t'wer not I. I am available to fill in the blanks with truthful facts whenever you decide to quite this game playing. I continue to be amazed at the staying power you all have in the pursuit of misdirection trivia. Like it was really important or something. I'm all ears if anyone wants to susplain the logic of this banter that continues day after day after day… What's the point? If you can't convince 'em with facts, bury 'em in reams of bull. S.O.P. In order to create an accepted blizzard of fabrication it takes a whole government to support it. i.e., the UFO Russian distraction, Project Norjak, Patton's northern D-Day, Area 51, MLK's death, and a host of undiscussed occurrences. There comes a point when the effort outlives it's purpose. This one is such a waste of time. Some of these have been declassified, like the U2, stealth, Area 51, and a ton of other stuff. Cooper is no big deal. Give it up, people. We pulled the wool over the eyes of congress to get an unpopular job done. 'They' are probably doing lots worst things today. Face facts, too much power in the hands of a few corrupts absolutely. Too much hydrogen on the brain produces Brain Farts. It is a disorder displayed by one book printer dude on here who acts as a megaphone for all disinformation and a leader of attacks on any truth that might be presented. Strange how anything that is real fact is disputed by this person. Anything and everything truthful. A real distractor of apple pie, Mom, the American Way and Chevrolet. I wish everyone to take a long look at this. The King has no clothes!!! And the Queen is a little loose with, "Off with his head!" "My way or the hiway!" Other than that, this used to be a fun place to visit. The real facts remain that Duane Weber was DB Cooper, Richard McCoy procured him and the copilot trained him, then McCoy duplicated the jump himself. Initially for a pilot safety demonstration to the airlines, and ultimately as an example of air piracy used to justify executive orders. Those are the real facts about Norjak. It is just typical old USA in action.

I do not know of anything that idiots spent as much time debating for no good purpose other than the "Not Weber and McCoy" story. Endless arguments about insignificant trivia and unsupported fabrications of non-truths. Santa Claus never got this attention, but I'm certain there is more factually correct information written on the Claus subject. Even the woman Weber was married to, supposedly, can't verify basic facts without claiming to be the source of the information. Unreal! Or is it? What is her objective? She denies facts I know to be true. For what reason? I am convinced it is grasping at anything to put herself back in the center of the "brew-ha-ha." The "authority" even if it is a fabrication. She tells me one thing then prints something else, so I know she doesn't represent facts correctly here. A Bleeper in reverse, if you will. Good cop, bad cop, but both are playing with marked cards. Why so much attention and heat about an old dried up non-story? It only gets real heat when the real facts are discussed, then the switchboard lights up!! The rest of the time it is a one-on-one debate on an irrelevant bank account that goes on for years. Pretty obvious, Boys. When anybody who really cares what really happened can break the code of secrecy, the truth will be exposed. If the FBI, et al were truly changed from the J Edgar days, I would expect you might hear the truth, but that ain't gunna happen. They'd take another hit, like Waco, Ruby Ridge, and all the less famous "Better Good" Big Brother decisions made at various levels of our Government, then they would move on until another opportunity came along to deceive everyone. "By the people, for the people…" is a sham after you reach the point of too much power in the hands of too few. Decisions made contrary to the rule of law, by exception due to the interpretation of assigned powers. It is illegal, but the President can authorize it and whomever is caught is going to be the scapegoat. You know the list of examples. McCoy is one, North is another. Long list. Nick O'Hara was asked about the validity of what I say. As I read his response it was basically that HE could keep a secret and I should also. So I'm the bad guy who is 100% nuts, who dreams up this crap and the guy who everyone wants to discredit. Funny that what I describe is sequentially, minute for minute consistent with the official history of the FAA in airline safety. Funny that the two men who planned this "Project" should verify what I present but officially deny it. Very few CIA people ever discuss what they did. That is changing, and I think it should, to a point. This Project does not qualify in my opinion, knowing the facts. Our leader underhandedly overruled an unpopular vote and sided with the rest of the world to control public safety that was getting out of hand and showed promise of chaos. Something unpopular had to be done, and it was. It is called, "The Better Good." Read about it. It is NOT my imagination. All the facts are available for you scrutiny. You just have to fill in the blanks with the obvious, not Dropzone speculation. Yours truly, Caretaker Al

Not really. Jo has his ashes. Blevins is so full of hot gas I can smell him 1500 miles away. Anything for attention it seems. Mr. Diversion Services at work. "Yah, I saw 'em!! He went that a way!!" Blow yourself up some more, blow hard. Here is the bottom line. Congress needed pushing on ratifying the International Air Piracy Act but they would not budge. Nixon needed an excuse to override Congress with an Executive Order. Mr. Rataczak, Mr. McCoy and Mr. Weber, et. al., enter stage left. "Go ahead ASAP with your Project Norjak Proposal, but for a different purpose than you intended." This plan was presented by Nixon's Committee on Air Piracy through the newly reorganized FAA with a pilot finally at the helm, and assigned to Nichola O'Hara to oversee, and ME to witness on behalf of McCoy's interests. And THAT is the way it was, no if's, and's or but's. Speculate, deviate, distract attention from Rataczak all you can. Facts are facts, and these are the facts that everyone is trying so hard to cover up. Another Nixon Dirty Trick played on Congress. And "Cooper" took the blame, so did McCoy, undercover with two years in the pen working on the Walker case and others. But then, we can't talk about Norjak because it's a National Secret that would show how underhanded we Americans are when we want it OUR way. Blevins is a serenader of distraction who needs to get his ass sued for all his intentionally false accusations blaming innocent people when he definitely knows better. He is NOT a nice person. And you can take THAT to the bank. He thinks he is doing right by doing wrong. Just like Nixon.

'Bill Rataczak: ……. When he walked out there his weight made the steps open further the farther he went down. Then, he was certainly able to jump from the bottom step. So we pretty much know when he jumped…… With the winds it is hard to say." With the real winds and the reported winds it is impossible to say, but from the actual facts it is quite easy… 15 miles west of the claimed position. Richard McCoy reported to me that the way Duane described it, he jumped face first off the second step up and the stairs rebounded up clipping him in the right leg. When McCoy jumped he went down backwards all the way to the bottom step and just fell off like a diver would. Both counted to ten seconds and pulled their chord. If you want accuracy, this is accurate.

"I can't prove Duane was Cooper, but there is one thing for sure - some individuals have gone to great extents to make sure the story was NOT told. There are still those alive who know the truths and some of them decided it was time to end it. The actual players realized their mortality was approaching its end times & decided perhaps it was time to come forward. Whatever - it is time for the truths to be told." [skyjack71] Then you call me a dangerous liar, a nutcase, and worse. If you had an openminded analytical ability as huge as your ego born stubbornness to create a fairytale of your own design, you would have understood the entire Project back in 2000. You have 'suffered' 14 years of frustration of your own making because you can not accept the truth. Protecting people because they 'have children' is beyond my scope. You change the truth (polite description) so frequently that NOTHING you have said has any credibility at all. I'm not sure if it is intentional or if you have gone off the deep end. In any case, your credibility is totally discredited. And you did it all by your lonesome. The cover-up artists didn't have to lift a finger. I even got your worst enemy off your back, little JT. Would THAT truth shock you!! You will never believe who was posting as JT!!

I would ask the Seattle FBI if they still have a copy of the data from the FDR. Gee Belvis! WHY DIDN'T EVERYONE ELSE THINK OF THAT! Holy sheet iron!! Belvis has solved the DB Cooper case! You are definitely smarterest than anyones else who ever worked on the DB Cooper case. Didja think that one up on yer own? Havent you posted this canard before several times? PLAY IT AGAIN SHAM WOW! ] You make a very bad assumption in this analysis. You assume Rataczak's story to be true. Consider the possibility that flight information and actual flight path differ by 15 miles or so to the west by result of under-stating wind correction. You know WHEN Duane jumped, you just don't have the correct information WHERE. This was done to redirect the search area and allow Duane the freedom he needed. It is all so simple when you KNOW what really happened. You can't reverse engineer this Project with faulty data. Conversations were deleted, false information was reported. That's easy when both ends of the conversation are in collusion. And you super-sleuths just gobble up the garbage like Yellowstone bears and print the desired cover-up laying there for you to unearth. It is funnier than a Roadrunner cartoon!!

What! Did I hit an exposed ego nerve with a little truth?? It is good for you people to get a shot of truth now and then to help you along your journey for accuracy in the Norjak story. I can see how tall tales of yaun were developed over the years. Everybody kicks in a paragraph or two during a drunkfest and Blevins sets out to prove it for fact. The results this forum are creating are no different. They are only different from what really happened. You have access to the whole story from people discussed here. You just can't get them to talk… IT'S A SECRET!!! BFD. The secret is out and butterfly nets are useless.

You are just trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill on these points. Just as you tried to do the same thing with the Amboy parachute because Cossey was able to rule it out with one short look at it. Robert99 Duane had no idea the plane could take off with the stairs down and neither did the co-pilot. It had never been done and they were taking no extra risks. That is ridiculously obvious. The discussion was that Duane didn't know how to lower the stairs and he was told to simply ask the stew for instructions as it was part of their job. That is also ridiculously obvious. You keep referring to faulty information. Cossey was an insider on the caper and did not pack the chute Duane jumped with. The Co-pilot packed that chute and Cossey was the contact man for the FBI to get the chutes out of storage. I was there when the plans were made, and that is what happened. Of course Cossey would nix the chute even if it was the right one. He never saw it out of the sewn up "X" marked pack. Etch that in stone.

'Cooper' did NOT have a grudge, he was told to say that to create a motive for his "criminal" persona. "DO NOT SMILE! Smoke jail coupon type cigarettes and order bar whisky, just spill it on the floor." He was trained to be Cooper. Cooper DID leave a note on the plane and the co-pilot still has it. Includes a personal note. FBI did not search the breif case….. And my brother stopped by your place and my attorney hired an investigator on you. I paid the bill. You can't get anything right. All messed up. Seek help.

"Knoss is not well, …." More unsubstantiated Blevins. (BS) Contrary to the reports of my pending demise, I am alive and well, in the best of health, anticipating an inherited Methusulian life expectancy. Just like my friend Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr. (:Q) I try desperately to avoid wasting it analyzing the hot air you all keep trying to blow up everybody's arse. But, a little humor is good for one's wellbeing. This place is better than "Dumb and Dumber," and certainly must be a spin-off sequel with this McSnutter the Script Director. He couldn't close or open a Home Depot door if you pushed him.

"When are you going to claim drones are following you around?" Let's pray that all life keeps a safe distance from Blevins. He is so full of bull shit that a careless spark could ignite a methane gas explosion and cause an epic catastrophe. A drone is the only solution. One with a Bernzomatic tip. I see a hole inversely proportional to Mt. St. Helens before the eruption. There is THAT much fermentation. I worry seriously about triggering Yellowstone. Smile Robert.

Somehow, lying and fabricating stories is all OK because it is for "The Greater Good". Elected officials supposedly responsible for oversight of overzealous activists turn a blind eye to covert activities that should be, by all rights, judged by another branch. Power in the hands of a few A-type personalities corrupts. Short-cut solutions, well intended but not what the founding fathers had in mind. What escapes me is where and when does it stop? If the under-the-table antics continue as they do with Norjak, how pervasive is the Greater Good philosophy? Who is running what? I have a sneaking suspicion that global warming is not going to eliminate this iceberg. I also have lost all respect for all U.S. Government. I don't hate it like Jo, since it is probably as good as it gets, but power and greed are not what makes a better world. Judging on the continuance of the obvious, I see no future resolution to this less than desirable predicament, only more of the same. Platitudes of apple pie and the flag, revamping, correcting, improving, weeding out, all of it, is Round-Robin back to the same receptacle. Low level Greater Good, slam-bam, thank you, Ma'am solutions, counter to the intentions of the Constitution of the United States of America. Nuff said.