BobKnoss

"Bob Knoss's stuff is way way out, but so was MK Ultra. I don't for a minute think that Norjack was orchestrated by the govt., but you can't rule it out solely on the basis of high ethics in three letter government agencies." RIGHT! It was NOT orchestrated by the Government. It was orchestrated by a top-notch co-pilot, facilitated by a helicopter pilot and ASSISTED by pilots in the various agencies. It was APPROVED at the highest levels. The court system is the catch 22 that opposes the legality, along with a few honest aggressive agents, and me. These are the facts, and any 'judgment" here is immaterial. Facts do not change by wishing them to, or printing alternatives, given an anchor in the drifting sands. Sands may come and sands may go, kinda like that buried dough. The truth is clear, or so says Jo. These facts we claim because we know Old Duane L. Weber said it's so. The facts run deep and spread afar, To the cash they found on Tena Bar The plan came off without a mar, When Duane took off in his car... And the pilots cheered! Har! Har! Har! Now forty years have come and gone, And pilots noses have grown long with stories told and put to song The truth they bury, the word they gong, The lives they ruined is just wrong. The beating rain can drive you insane, as easy as their crap inaine. And then to stand and act so vain... Like they never gave ol' Tina her pain. I make no claims, I'm just say'n.

I don't recall saying exactly that, but we are close. In the film, Himmelsbach was actually in the shotgun seat, there was the pilot on the 'driver's side' and Mac was standing behind them, in the middle. Mac used another stand-in actor, but he was closer to Mac in appearance, darker skinned. Mac wanted to play the part himself, but I advised him against it. Janet made an eyewitness report to the FBI. You, on the other hand, are attempting to discredit her based on BS. If you throw enough of it, something is bound to stick. The problem is, when you throw as much BS as you do, pretty soon you are covered in it yourself. You object to everything and anything that does not support your printed word. What do you suppose they are doing in Mexico? I smell a new book that puts your KC garbage in the incinerator.... I doubt that you would be considered as a publisher, what with having printed the soon-to-be 'get-in-line' Cooper hoax. Do you have an exclusive publishing clause in your Porteous contract? Have you written your retraction speech yet? "Our superior investigating team has just discovered new information regarding the DB Cooper case!! It really was a conspiracy like George Nuttall says, and KC was the guy!" Nobody will buy that one any more. You need new characters, new intreague, some drama and suspense. Involve the crew, bring in the CIA, use the pilots' old black and white movie for a mainline plot. What? You didn't know they made a movie??? Sloppy investigating!! Best you watch that flick along with the FBI training films on the Cooper jump. You might actually see something real you could inject for stimulation. Checking with Tom Clancy, he said that story sucks and wasn't worth the time to write. But who is he to criticize your subject? Right! You best hustle if you want to stay ahead of the curve......

"I feel like an all-around world-class Cooper expert after reading some of the stuff posted by Knoss." Thank you. If you payed more attention and actually absorbed some of the information I present instead of refuting each individual word as a separate entity you might even become THE expert and get your Nobel statue, a gold badge, and a pair of silver studded waders. Instead of the Pinhead award from Bill O'Reilly.

Would that it were. A horse! A horse!

"t is my understanding that NOT only is the Co-pilot in Mexico so is Skipp Porteous and other members of this elite group also seem to be absent." Sounds like I'm in deep shit here. Been here before and I know what these meetings are all about. Let it be known that I take this information with extreme seriousness and trepidation. Mac said they voted to "whack" Duane if he didn't pass quickly. I have been far more open than Duane. Make record of my claims, I have distributed copies of my records to people I trust. I have spoken the truth. I am in perfect health and do not drink. Don't taze me bro!

The flight was on manual control with two VOC's squalking on two radio signals, from a visual, probably the lighted pump station, west of I-5? The location differential was reported to Ralph in his office sometime later and NOT by Smith or Scott.

All there is, is, "He said, she said," on everyone's part. Planted evidence, finger pointing, fabrication on the grandest scale since Gulliver's Travels. The truth is lying under rocks where the 'crew' hasn't been. The 15 mile error in flight path was addressed and hushed up, so it is a source of buried truth that can be cleaned off and displayed. Little green and blue polka-dot men may have told me this. But, so did a lot of VERY credible people. It can be substanciated! The "error" in reporting was not to the EAST it was to the WEST, so now they are claiming a 30 mile error from the true path. VERY typical........

My parents are both dead. My father took his own life after I told him the truth about my involvement in this Project. If you want to come over when you get home, you are welcome. You can explain why we play these stupid games and screw up so many lives. Nobody has ever told me WHY, only, "Keep your F'n mouth shut!!" WHY?? That is a simple enough question, right? WHY?

This may be true, but you have to weigh the source. The guys in the helicopter were Himmelsbach and McCoy! The flight passed over the outer limits of the Portland air space on the WEST of Portland. Ask Janet. Mac said to me. Jim said to me. Bill said to Ralph. Jo leaked something without intending to. Duane talked. Sorry, you can't fake it out of this one. Best just move on to another subject. This one could sink you.

Dear Sir, Do you forget that I was in the loop for 35 years before speaking out? My JOB was to know. Remember?? I sure do.

QuoteThats funny ... You are funny, too. The only thing Cooper got was a whap on the right leg when he hit the stairs coming back up on him. Mac took this to heart and went down BACKWARDS. Yes, he landed in the woods, but woods is a relative term. The bottom line is that he was able to bury the money and clear out with his pockets full. Your rugged brushy areas are not where the guys dropped him. See attached typical terrain.

"Also, as I have pointed out to you privately over the past couple of years, as well as on this thread, there is not a single fact to support a flight path east of Portland. An east flight path would be irrational since the airliner was already well west of Portland and would have to loop around to rejoin V-23 west of Portland. Such a detour would add an additional 10 to 15 nautical miles to the route for no reason whatsoever." Robert Nicholson "Janet"s report was correct. The recorded flight path is correct, it is just superimposed on the map in the wrong place. Move the flight path overlay so it flies over Janet's location and you will find that everything becomes very obvious. The clear-cut pipeline, the lighted pump station, Jo's power lines, I-5, plus other locations Jo describes. If you place ALL of the facts NOT presented by the FBI or others, you will see what Mr. Nicholson has perhaps not yet seen. The truth of the matter.

No, I'm NOT a vet as you well know. I'm a convicted draft dodger, who has been pardoned. I am doing my duty as an American Citizen exercising my rights under the Freedom of Information Act as a whistle-blower. My MMPI-2 test indicates no problems, and my pharmaceudical intake is closely monitored. I remember more every day, and am sharing everything. I appreciate your medical advice, but if it as acute as your spelling and typing skills, it is probably also dyslexic. Game over. I don't need the help that Tina got, thank you.

"In late 1978 a placard containing instructions for lowering the aft stairs of a 727, later confirmed to be from the rear stairway of the plane from which Cooper jumped, was found just a few flying minutes north of Cooper's projected drop zone near Amboy, Washington. In March 2008, children unearthed a parachute in the same area,[6] but F.B.I. experts later determined that it could not have been used by the hijacker.[7]" AMBOY??? Obviously a planted bit of evidence. Wrong location and too convenient. As obvious as a big red nose and 2' shoes on a clown! This is Keystone stuff, here! [B] Go (north)WEST young man! [/B]

There is another scenerio which I believe is more plausible. You have to be a farm kid and familiar with milk cans and a bit of an engineer with an understanding of hydrology to see this: A five gallon milk can full of milk with it's lid on will spill about 3/4 of its milk when tipped over. The lid does not 'lock' in place, it is a press-fit of sorts. I have seen milk cans tip over in the back of a pick-up. The lid flies off. A five gallon milk can buried standing up in a hole and covered on top will act like a cork when subjected to a flood, just like a casket would in New Orleans, if they tried to bury it instead of putting it in an above ground burial as they have since 1789. Given that the money was buried in a can, I say milk can, and the area was flooded, a matter of record, the can would have popped up and floated with the current down the river until it became grounded and was unable to float further. Tena Bar was a shallow water area where the can would have grounded. As the can grew more and more horizontal, it would reach an angle at which the lid would fall off, assisted by the weight of the contents. That angle might be 20° or thereabouts. The river rose and fell with the tide. This would wash the contents of the can out over time. Time would also saturate the bundles and cause them to sink, accounting for the close proximity of the bills, bundles and chards. Subsequent dredging would relocate, perhaps mulch and bury relative to the directions of the dredger. This seems to be a lot more practical to me than stories about dying or landing in the drink which I know to be not correct. Given what is known and what was reported to me, and my experience, this is my supposition.

"A grouping of approximately three bundles out of a hundred turn up at the same spot buried under a few inches of sand." Read further. Up to three feet deep.....

"No one has ever mentioned the condition of Cooper's teeth - why? Not one witness statement made public addressed this." That is simple. NONE of us ever kissed the man. His teeth made no 'impression' on us. They looked normal to me. It was his smile that everyone remembers, so his mouth was not full of obvious cavities or fillings.

Please do not call the man, "Rat!" He does not like that at all. He has earned sufficient respect not to be demeaned in that fashion and should be treated with more respect than that. Prove him guilty and THEN call him Rat. Until then he is innocent and a stalwart member of our community. He has his nickname, and that is not it.

"What is column 3 and what do I have to do to get there?" No free passes. QQ

"I don't know what this tells Blevins, but it tells me that Tina is sane and very intelligent." You just moved to column 2, Sir.

This is a strictly mathematical viewpoint...it goes like this: What Makes 100%? What does it mean to give MORE than 100%? Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%? We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give over 100%. How about achieving 103%? If: A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z is represented as: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26. Then: H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K = 8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98% and K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E = 11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96% But, A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E = 1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100% And, B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T = 2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103% AND, look how far ass kissing will take you: A-S-S-K-I-S-S-I-N-G = 1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118% So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty, that while Hard Work and Knowledge will get you something, and Attitude will get you somewhere, its the Bullshit and Ass Kissing that are the brick and mortar of this case.

"I have long stated that I think a wealth of information resides at NWA/Delta archives." First intelligent post in a long time. But there are far better sources, as you know. They can't speak for fear of incrimination by Judicial definition. FBI definition is a whole 'nuther can of worms. "We just don't see it that way!" "As some fierce creature replete with too much rage, so I , for the fear of fault, am slowed to speak." "My most true mind thus maketh mine own mind untrue." Sonnets~ Shakespeare. And so they fabricate. Ferbearacate. Fakit. Aw, they just make stuff up. Buffalo 'em in backward technical stuff and bury 'em in BS. Flood 'em with pages of documents and tons of suspects. What a waste of valuable time. "Just pull the brown cord over there, Sweetie, the one with the red tag on it.... You can go now. Thank you."

Why was the term "PROJECT" used by the FBI? Why was the first edition of Ralph's book called "PROJECT Norjak"? Now the cover just reads, "NORJAK". Perhaps it has to do with the meaning of the word??? From Webster's 'Improved' Dictionary: Project noun (Pro'-jekt) (pra'-jekt) 1. any piece of work that is undertaken or attempted; he prepared for great undertakings; 2. a planned undertaking 3. a Government term for a secret planned exercise Norjak noun (Nor'-jak) 1. a Government abbreviation for Northwest air piracy of Flight 305 issued in April, 1968, by the FBI in conjunction with the FAA. (See Project Norjak, hijacking, air piracy, kidnapping, Nov. 24, 1971, Duane Weber, et. al.)

What is it? Tina can't offer anything, nor should anyone really want to go there. Tina was a victim of some intentionally very cruel people with personal goals, people you cover for. Yes, they are torn up about it, but that does not remove responsibility. Tina is a poster girl of Projects gone wrong, just one life damaged by this incident. There are numerous others. The horror of the story is that it has been perpetuated so long. It is time to stop and clear the air. Pardon the Project, tell half the truth, or ALL of it and move on. You all make me sick.

It tells me that Blevins has finally put an honest paragraph together. He has spoken to people who have truth on their tongues, human beings, as it were. He is telling 'the other half of the story' as Paul Harvey used to say. Listen to the man, Georger, or move to column 3. He is practicing what the Bible really means. Amen.