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That is great news, could you please tell us if there is vario (sink/climb rate) in the display together with Altitude, GR and Speed? if not do you know if they will implement it? Cheers Lauren Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

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Comparing GPS vs Barometric sensor? as debated to death on this topic, they are used for different things, there is no point on comparing them. That's why ALL sailplanes ( including the one on link you posted ) use a barometric sensor for their variometers and not a GPS. When anyone says it is difficult to make such a device that doesn't mean impossible and that there aren't many in the market for sale already. Now here we have a product of a big company "Brauninger" with years of experience all credentials with some of the best engineers and pilots in the segment with a product that go from 0-200km/h without the problem that you KEEP INSISTING about. Makes me laugh really lol This is just one among many. http://www.brauniger.com/en/products/flight-instruments/iq-compeo/technical-data.html Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

So in your little male mind nobody knows anything about a wingsuit and air dynamics to maximize our stay in the air but the wingsuiters themselves? not to mention that our conversation is about electronic flying devices? your comment above is the biggest B****T you said so far. A skydiver is not a hang glider nor a paraglider. Noooo, really? All laws and dynamics is about the same applied to all airfoil without engine, that's why paragliders who never flew Hanggliders knows how a hanggliders works in theory even although they are not able to fly one without a course first. Same applies for a wingsuit, a piece of cloth in an airfoil shape with high loadings using the body and extended arms as a frame, all physics laws and dynamics applied are the same, even although i don't fly one yet is perfectly possible for anyone to know how it works. Now you jumper who know almost nothing about meteorology, air dynamics and the only thing you know is how to control your body in free fall and land a ramair canopy come and tell everyone that you know everything and no one else knows nothing about wingsuits? ignorant much? BTW the only way to find out who is right or wrong is wait the goggles to come out and see. Small variations in the pressure sensor will always exist and thats a good thing, thats why we want them, we want to fly where there are air updrafts so we can have less sink and stay in the air longer and also know how much sink we are having in a determinate moment and place. As many devices with baro sensor who works perfectly well in high speeds like flytec 6030, brauninger compeo and many others ( even although you insist they don't exist or are impossible to be made ) this new goggles will be just one more in the market that works well in low or high speeds. hope that shuts you up because I'm getting bored Lauren Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Not ment as an insult, but the same seems to apply to you and wingsuits. Instead of talking about buying this device for wingsuit flying, Id focus on AFF and making some actual wingsuit jumps at some point to get a more in-depth view and understanding of what you're often trying to talk about. For the record...Kallen is 100% correct. Depending on placement, barometric devices can get 2000 ft deviations during agressive manouvers, and the device moving in and out of burbles and/or high pressure areas under the body during flares/dives. If you dont take my word for it, I have no doubt ANY wingsuit pilot will be able to supply you with a load of funny and freaky graphs (from both GPS and barometric devices). Not to worry mccordia, most probably anything you say about free flying will just make me laugh instead of insulting :) Your wrong because the altimeter you guys use do not have the kalman filter, which make them not accurate enough for flying (your altimeter is accurate enough for falling not for gliding like on a wingsuit ) not to mention that the baro sensor you guys use on skydiving and motor flying is far less accurate than those used on free flying, as I said before, a good and correctly positioned sensor inside the device will stop unwanted variations, naturally if you hit a thermal your sink rate will reduce and and the pressure will change (that's what we want). I say that because I had 7 different varios (baro sensors) in 8 years of flying, tested them on low and high speeds and the problem your claiming is non existent in a well designed device. These goggles will be the first one designed for flying, normally they always need an update in the second version to fix any problem but I do believe they will get it right, let's wait the goggle come out and see if I'm wrong or if it's you and your friend that are wrong :) Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

That is absolutely not truth what you are saying, you probably have no deep knowledge about how these devices work. A hangglider go at 120km/h without any problem with the variometer ( barometric/altimeter reading ) and yes the vario is not air sealed obviously and it is fixed in the bar of the glider where it takes all wind as it possibly can get but the sensor is inside the device, same is for paragliders. If the barometric sensor is placed inside the goggles where it is protected against the wind strength and still in contact with air there will no problem at all. The accuracy will be as good as walking or at 200km/h. Lauren Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

So the only important thing missing is the value of the sink/climb rate showing in the display together with speed and glide ratio. That is something vital that they should not forget. if they do fix it I will for sure buy one too, as I'm a pilot it is good for paragliding and Hanggliding also. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Sure. Now I wonder if the altimeter sensor they are talking about is actually a barometric sensor. In some countries they use the word altimeter sensor to describe a "barometric sensor" Lets hope this is the case. Anyone knows? Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Jeb ask them for a barometric sensor inside the goggles, without it the goggles will be almost useless, the speed is measured by the GPS but the sink rate or even a climb rate ( vertical speed) is measured by a barometric sensor as the GPS is not accurate enough for instantaneous vertical data. A barometric sensor is a must for all aerial sports. Many of the latest android phones like the galaxy s3 has a barometer inside, that makes these phones totally usable for flying when you use apps like XCSoar. Give you instantaneous glide ratio, speed, cimb/sink rate etc... The sink/climb rate displaying in the goggles in m/s or ft/minute based using the barometric sensor would make it a killer. I would buy one. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

YES, he did flew up and not because of a dive and flare but because he CLEARLY hit a small thermal. I'm also a paraglider and hanglider pilot, my HG would do exactly that when flying tro a thermal. GET OVER sceptics, your starting to look ridiculous. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Here lurch comes again with his endless vitriolic patronising arguments, saying 'we all wingsuiters' stop speaking for others, speak for yourself, you are the problem and many others pilots already disagreed with you here, stop saying 'we' and say 'I' as clearly not everyone thinks like you, no wonder why Tony don't listen to you. Last 2 topics ' soaring wingsuits' I think you should read the old topic again and see who's like a vitriolic non sense contradicting himself. Feel sorry for you lurch Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Haha here is lurch the one who rudely criticized me when I said wingsuits would get bigger and soar one day, now he's here admitting bigger suits are possible. Lurch is a true contradiction walking on legs. Lurch I've been in touch with Tony for a couple of years and I do believe you will lose your bet with me, I hope you don't forget the public apology on here in case I was right Lauren Giselle Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Well done Gary, for doing it and coming out unhurt. As a Hanglider and paraglider pilot, I was amazed in how slow and straight the wingsuit managed to fly near the ground. Good skills + some ground effect for sure. From now on I believe landing very big suits in soft sand and snow will be a commum thing. Casualties will happen as a top hangglider pilot can land his glider 200 times perfectly but sometimes a mistake and broken finger, foot or cut happens, it will be no different with a wingsuit. What I always believed since 10 years ago now become more evident for me. Wingsuits will get bigger, will soar and people will land it just like any other glider. Future is looking awesome!! Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

He will die or have multiple fractures. Even the largest wingsuit available today still too small and fast yet for landing. It's not the right time yet, if he try it now he will die and not see his "landing" dream happen in a safe usable form in a few years when wingsuit design evolve a bit more. I feel sorry for his wife and children, they have no idea the risk he's taking. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

After a stupid comment like that I would say you are more likely to pee in yourself due your poor endowed length. Lol Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Just because it stills sounds like a simple misundertsanding, I'm not suggesting the pilot is moving their weight around in the harness to effect change. What I'm saying is that the toggle input itself in turn swings the jumper (who can remain still in the harness) around under the canopy, and this is what effects the majority of the change in the wing. The pilots action is to pull the toggle, the result of that is the jumpers weight being moved under the wing and causing the change in flight. Regardless of the number of cells, or complicated internal structure, a PG is still just a ram-air canopy and it operates on the same principals as every other ram-air canopy. It's similar to a weight-shit control system, as on a hang glider, but without the mechanical connection to the wing, I have used the term 'weight-swing' to describe the system. Again, you might a very nice person and have only the best of intentions, but you are simply not correct on this matter. There is no misunderstanding, I read every post carefully before posting myself, now you agree with me that the main turn on paragliders is done by the brakes but tell me I'm in incorrect? totally self-contradiction... By the way, you can turn a paraglider left or right just with the brakes with zero weightshifting, the wing will turn and so will the pilot, paragliders are NOT square parachutes. Of course if you apply brakes and weightshifting in the same time you turn more easily, but the main turn on PARAGLIDERS are done by the brakes. Anyway this discussion about paraglider turns have nothing to do with the "soaring wingsuit" topic, so I wont post about it again, believe paragliders turns with body weightshifiting if you want lol Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

First of all, a PG and a skydiving canopy are both ram-air wings, and both operate on the same principals. Due to design differences, they each to different things better than others, but they are fundamentally the same. Maybe I should phrase it differently. The pilot doesn't shift their weight to effect change on the wing, the pilot's weight is shifted, and thus effecting change on the wing. Yes, pulling a toggle will slow one side of the wing, allowing the other side to fly around it. However, as the canopy attempts to turn, the forward inertia of the pilot wants to continue to carry them in a straight line. At this point the pilot swings out to the side of the canopy, and in doing so, pulls down on the canopy at the inside of the turn, creating the bank angle of the turn. Picture a conventional aircraft, and think of the tail empannage. Essentailly, it's a lever used to position the wings and effect changes in direction of flight. Control inputs to the rudder and elevator move the empannage in one direction and in turn, that moves the wing to the desired pitch/bank angle. The pilot under a ram-air wing is the same thing. The lines are the lever, and the pilot swinging around under the wing is the control input to the wing. Yes, you use the toggles or risers to position the pilot, but it's the line tension and the load of the pilot that does the 'work' of positioning the wing. Think of it this way, when you turn on a faucet, you turn the handle and water flows. Turning the handle itself does not actually cause the water to flow from the faucet, that's due to combination of water pressure and gravity, turning the handle is the mechanism that allows that other process to take place. I'm not suggesting that the aerodynamic effects of the the tail deflection don't contribute to the turn, because the do, but until the pilot weight shifts under the wing, no real change is going to occur. Another example - when a jumper flares too high for landing, we tell them not to let the toggle back up too much because the canopy will dive to recover that airspeed. The problem is that if they are too close to the ground and need to flare during the dive, they will not get the same response from the canopy they are used to. When the canopy dives to recover the lost arispeed, the jumper shifts behind the center of the canopy. This allows the nose to drop and the airspeed to build. If the pilot need to flare at that very moment, the response will be delayed because the pilot needs to first swing back from being behind the canopy, return to the center, and then proceed to swing froward of the center to ptich the nose up, and actaully arrest the descent. The pilot can pull the toggle down to full deflection almost immediately, there's no delay to that reaction. The delay comes from the need to wait for the pilot to go from behind the center to ahead of the center, and the reason is that, like I said above (several times), it's the weight of the pilot moving under the wing that effects the majority of the change. In a flare from a 'normal' approach, where the jumper is centered under the canopy, the flare response is far more immediate because the jumper only needs to swing through one 'step' to effect change, that being the 'step' from centered, to forward-of-center. It's the added step of first swinging from rear-of-center that creates the delay and proves my point. (Keep in mind, that I'm not suggesting a jumper will swing from behind the center to the center, and then stop, and then continue on to forward of center. It's one fluid motion, but until the jumper pases the cneter point, the descent will not be arrested and there will be no 'flare' to speak of). This applies to every input you make a to a canopy. Regardless of your brake position on either side, your inputs all serve to reposition the pilot under the wing and that position is what dictates the attitude of the wing. Paragliders derived from parachutes, but nowadays they are totally different, and therefore they require different way of piloting, Paragliders have enormous amout of cells, Hight aspect ratio and complicated internal structure thats why to fly a paraglider you need to be a proper pilot, not a jumper. You never flow a paraglider therefore you have no idea of what you are talking about, I'm an experienced paraglider pilot for 7 years and I'm telling you that pilot weightshifting under a paraglider is not the main tool for turns, the main turns is done with the brakes left or right. Its unbelievable how you insist on this non-sense when you never flown a modern paraglider. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Ok boy from Iowa I will speak slowly as you need special treatment Yes some paraglider pilots can be dickheads sometimes, but this type of people exist in every sport/discipline, but generally PG pilots are nice intelligent folks. Now if I'm very honest with you, some of the most amusing, nonsense and weirdest comments I've seen in my life, was on this forum lol nothing personal tho, Love you bird boys =) I'm sure my fascinate dream is your dream too, maybe you didn't figure it out yet ;) Once again and for all boy, I'm not building any wingsuit, we are just talking about the possibilities in the future and what we think will happen, or not happen. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

My apologies then. There is a woman playing with a zipper for a minute, then she disappears and it's 5 minutes of glider lying in the grass a few feet from the camera. At 7 minutes, she steps back into view and picks up the risers. Your bad english, my lack of knowing which of the several paragliders that are flying far away from the camera is you, I guess I still fail to see the relevance of this video to the topic. Are you genuinely believing that human muscle can replace the lines used to hold a miniparaglider's shape and span? From a non-engineering, math-retarded musician-type person... even I can see that this is not possible. Aside from the span, I don't see anything accounting for the significant drag increase generated by the wider wing. Even if our arms could maintain the sweep and support, we can't support the pressure of the relative wind and additional drag. You don't need to apologize, I'm sure if I explain slowly for you, maybe twice, you gonna be able to understand it ;) you are speaking non sense, did you really watch the full video or do you need special needs to understand things? lol I'm the girl on the video getting the folded orange/red/white paraglider on the floor. then I get my paraglider backpack and put in the back of my black/green harness. After 4 seconds ( not 5 minutes as you mention) I pass in front of the camera flying. Again specially for you to understand ( the orange/red/white little glider). after that I keep soaring and landing in front of the camera many times. can you understand it now boy? lol Lastly the video have everything to do with this topic as we are talking for 5 pages about soaring and on the video as i hope you can figure it out, I'm soaring. but then if you dont like it, dont watch it ;) Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Its in the southern England, Sussex near Brighton, Devils Dyke hill. It is a very beautiful place to fly

I've been flying ram-air canopies since before you had your first training bra, and I can assure you I am quite correct. I did not imply that weight shift in the harness is the control method, it's the weight of the pilot shitinf below the wing that effects the change. You make that happen with control inputs, and that might be your toggles, but when you pull a toggle, the aerodynamic effect is just the slowing of the that side of the wing and of the other side of the wing flying around it. What allows the canopy to bank into the turn, and actually change direction, is the pilots weight swinging toward the outside of the turn, at which point line tension pulls the entire wing into a bank. As skydivers, we know this because we jump canopies with different length line sets. Short lined canopies react to inputs faster because the pilot is swinging through a shorter arc, and can move through that arc more quickly. Longer lined canopies react more slowly because it takes longer for the pilot to swing through the longer arc. The pilot is the load and provides the line tension which allows the wing to be a wing. When that load moves, so does the entire wing. It's what makes things happen, and if you had any credibility in this forum, it has just been lost. If you had not realized the relationship between your position under the wing and the attuitude of wing at any time in the last 7 years, you haven't really been paying attention. hahaha You have absolute no idea how to fly a paraglider or what you are talking about.... once you brake left it slow down and the right side will make the turn quickly and efficiently, thermalling you are always on the brakes in the side you making the turn 100% the time! the pilot weight shifting under the wing just intensify the turn but the main turn is done with the brakes, period. Any other experienced PG pilot to give this guy some help lol Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Nice try sweeheart, but applying the brakes simply slows one side of the wing, and swings the jumper out to the other side of the wing, effecting the majority of the change to the wing. Pilot position under the wing is the primary control method for a ram-air canopy. You adjust that position with the control inputs, but at the end of the day, the pilots weight shifting around does the bulk of the work in effecting the attitude of the wing. You obviously is not a PG pilot, you have no idea of what you are talking about, I'm a experienced paraglider pilot, 7 years of flying since my 16's and I always used brake to turn. body weightlifting will do nothing if you want to turn quickly, the brakes do the main job. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

The point was that it's a single camera shot of an activity that needs far more than that. Watch the video, and notice how much time you're NOT in the frame, and even when you are, it's not exactly 'exciting'. I do like how you quickly edited the part of your post where you claimed to be confised. We all know it was about DSEs post, but it was just inviting comments about other things you might be confused about. Back to the tpoic at hand, here's another reason what you're talking about won't work - control. Both hang gliders and paragliders require the pilot to shift their weight about under the wing to effect change in flight. Of course, to do this, they need to be seperate from the wing, and thus both hangs the pilot underneath. A sailplane, that hold the pilot as 'one' with the wing, used control surfaces to effect change in the wing, and thus uses a tail boom with mutilple control surfaces to make that happen. The intersection of hang glider and sailplane is something called a Swift, and it's a rigid wing with no tail boom and no landing gear, the pilot uses their legs as the landing gear. It's a foot launch device, and then the pilot sit in a sling in a 'cockpit'. Again, though, the swift has hard surface, pilot actuated control surfaces. Your assertion that spars can be made to allow for longer, soar-able wings, is lacking any sort of control methodology. If you intend for the pilot to manipulate the wings, then they cannot be connected with a load-bearing spar, as they would need to be moved independantly (like falpping, but not), and the pilot still has the problem of lacking the strength to support such a wing with just their muscularity. If you do intened for a continuous spar, meaning the pilot does not have to support the loads from the wings, you have no control methodology. With a 'rigid' wing, and no weight shifting ability, you now need control surfaces and an actuating system for them. Esestially, you could build that today by making a fabric winged Swift. In the end, what you have is far from a 'suit' of any kind. You have some interesting ideas, but you're bouncing back and forth between paraglider, hand glider and wing suit when making your asserstions, and all of those are VERY different flying machines and cannot intermingled when looking to design something new. They have fundamentally different design pricinipals whcih you cannot just mix and match if you expect to actually succeed. No, you wrong, to turn a paraglider we use mainly the brakes (at least me) break left go left, break right go right. I always edit my messages a few minutes after post, english is not my first language so I always have to correct my spelling after posting. I removed the word "confused" but with no special reason, I'm still confused when he say there is noone flying until 7mim, because there is. weird really.. A wingsuit with a carbon or graphene fiber spars could even if connected on the back could easily turn, just add a joint close to your hand where the pilot can close a bit of the wing in the side he want to turn to, just like the birds do. Anyway the topic is about the dream of soaring on a wingsuit, not about building carbon fibers extended arm suits. Edit. I already mentioned ( if you did care about reading the topic before posting) I mentioned about definitions of hangglider, paraglider sailplane wingsuit etc... Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

I'm not sure if I understood your post ( my bad english) but the pilot flying on the black/green harness with a small glider in most of the video is me. yes there is a paraglider on the grass near where the camera is mounted and?? Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

it's a link to someone soaring a wingsuit dont mean that one, the one just above my post, her soaring a mini-paraglider as she calls it.. Sorry, that's the correct link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uwz70N_vOQ Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20