gisellemartins

But we are now. And have been since the first post in this thread (well, except for Miss Martins, that is, who insists on misunderstanding, discussing something else entirely, and then insulting the rest of us). Yes I'm sure we were... I'm also sure that you and yours alike knows everything about flying and I don't know anything, you are correct. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

And you would be WRONG yet again. Look it up for yourself The link you posted leads to an empty profile. . Read the instructions (if you can). YOU have to enter YOUR information before you can look anyone up on the FAA database. I'm still wait for the answers of basic simple questions I asked you MR. Super Experienced. What's your longest glider flight? c'mon talk to me and stop claiming how good you are.

Nah, probably unlike you, I do have a 20/20 vision thanks. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Nerd alert! I'd have a lot of time to argue online if I was a virgin too. Stupid alert! you may still be a virgin due your lack of brain mass. private me if you want to know something about the art of Falconry.

And you would be WRONG yet again. Look it up for yourself The link you posted leads to an empty profile. Not to mention that just because you are registered there, that doesn't not make you a good experienced glider pilot. period. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Glad you agree, but I can guarantee for you that a few jumpers here did disagree with it, at the start of these conversation. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

No did not start talking about A when the subject is B, actually if you read the topic you see that others that are doing it. yes I do have difficulties to express the right therms in English. No I don't want to be center of the attentions, actually I don't go giving free flying information in forum, generally I'm invited to do seminars for novices pilots. I doubt that the Kellend guy here is a glider pilot as he says nonsense. Could you please tell me which glider model and class do you fly? and which paraglider model do you fly? EN A, B, C, D or Competition class? how many hours do you have and what's your best distance in your glider and PG? Lastly using your gliding knowledge, could you please tell me if you agree with what some of them said here. >By Davekepka " Anything will fly provided the winds are strong enough " >By kellend " any glider can do it starts with an excess of kinetic energy that it can trade for potential energy. No thermal needed" >By the111 "In other words, it had nothing to do with thermals" >By vitriol "Very strong winds could produce that kind of lift, but then it wouldn't be a thermal" So Pchapman do you agree with them that you can gain altitude in your glider/paraglider without thermals, ridge soaring or waves, but just by strong winds or kinetic dive and flares? tell me about it please ;) Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

I'm not sure if this nasty comment is for me but I guess it is. No, I'm not retarded, I studied to be a doctor at university, also 3 years Biology, 1 year Agronomic Engineering and done many courses in aerodynamics and design and I've been a falconer since I was 10 years old raising, hunting and flying peregrine falcons and eagles, I'm also a pilot since I was 15, flying many different machines and flying more than 100 miles on paraglider in a single flight. Today I'm 22 years old and I'm quite happy with the knowledge about air and flying machines that I have accumulated during years of study and dedication. Wonderful. I completed my doctoral degree 19 years before you were born. And I've been a glider pilot since 26 years before you were born. And you are still wrong. As I said before, based in the barbarities non sense you said so far on this topic, you are neither of the things you describe above, a glider pilot will never say the non sense affirmations you said, I know because I'm a glider pilot. Or by the numbers you gave me you may be too old and suffering amnesia? Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

I'm not sure if this nasty comment is for me but I guess it is. No, I'm not retarded, I studied to be a doctor at university, also 3 years Biology, 1 year Agronomic Engineering and done many courses in aerodynamics and design and I've been a falconer since I was 10 years old raising, hunting and flying peregrine falcons and eagles, I'm also a pilot since I was 15, flying many different machines and flying more than 100 miles on paraglider in a single flight. Today I'm 22 years old and I'm quite happy with the knowledge about air and flying machines that I have accumulated during years of study and dedication. And no I don't have emotional problems, I'm quite happy person, with few but good friends, a boyfriend that is a lovely person and a family to be proud of. Now I do get annoyed here when non sense is a common sense among wingsuit jumpers and when you try to explain to them how things works for their own good and the good development of the sport, they go crazy calling all names in the book just like yourself did now. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

The tail exit misconception was taking long to be mentioned, is that the last non sense example? The only reason why you climb when you exit of the plane on a wingsuit is not because high wind speed but because of your air speed, the airplane spilled you out giving you enough energy to climb a few meters, that's the only reason why you flew up, after exit, in normal flight the wind can go to 500km/h and you still will not climb up, so the concept that you and some of your wingsuit friends here claim that for wingsuit climb is necessary more speed, is an utterly non sense misconception, I guess this idea comes because you see the suit flying up after the exit, not everything works as you see, obviously the type of people who never even saw a book about flying/gliding. For the 20th and hopefully last time I will say again, YES a couple of jumpers here claimed out, loud and with authority ( even calling me stupid) that they know for sure it is possible to gain altitude without thermals just by speeding or diving and flaring, we were NOT talking about momentous small gain in altitude, read the entire topic before posting repetitive non sense posts if possible. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

'Up' is a direction. 'Going up' is movement in that direction. Unless you specified a specific quantity of 'up' beforehand, and you didn't, you have no reason to start insulting people who had the temerity to reply without first reading your mind. If we start talking about insult, I'm one of the last person you should start talking on this topic, read back what I've been called by others, including you sometime ago. Not that it bothers me, trying to teach/explain air dynamics and meteorology on a forum for people who knows almost nothing about it, could hardly come a good result. Blah blah blah And you would be wrong. I have been a glider pilot since 1964 - want to argue experience? I have a PhD in physics - want to argue physics? I teach instrumentation to engineering students - want to argue instrumentation? Aren't we having a discussion since the start of these topic? and you proved yourself over and over again to be utter idiot who knows nothing about free flying, meteorology or flying instruments? go back and read this entire topic and see how ridiculous your affirmations are. For me you are trolling or you are the worse pilot or engineer I ever spoke in my life. A glider pilot saying there is no need thermals and all we have to do is dive and flare to gain altitude? you are not a glider pilot, your trolling... Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

'Up' is a direction. 'Going up' is movement in that direction. Unless you specified a specific quantity of 'up' beforehand, and you didn't, you have no reason to start insulting people who had the temerity to reply without first reading your mind. If we start talking about insult, I'm one of the last person you should start talking on this topic, read back what I've been called by others, including you sometime ago. Not that it bothers me, trying to teach/explain air dynamics and meteorology on a forum for people who knows almost nothing about it, could hardly come a good result. One thing I learned for sure, some wingsuiters on here know almost nothing of something that is vital to make their flights long and better but they do think they already know everything and affirm utterly non sense affirmations. To answer your "UP" question, I will tell you one more time, on the youtube video "gaining altitude" that we are talking about, the guy gained altitude for 6 seconds by several meters/feet, all that time and height is practicably impossible with a "dive and flare" even using the largest suit available, not mention that his glide path did not show any sharp dive before the he starts to climb. period. That was clearly a thermal, unless that was CGI computer special effect, which I don't believe. So for me in my humble experience of flying since I was 15 years old, I can safely say that was a thermal. There were no misunderstanding, some jumpers here stated clear that they are sure it is possible to gain altitude with "strong wind" or "dive and flare" which is totally not possible away from a ridge/cliff, now that some probably done some research and realize how much nonsense they were talking, they are trying to blame my spelling saying they did not understand me, when I'm saying exactly the same thing using the same words since the start of the topic. Are wingsuiters humble enough to say they were wrong and that they learned something that could help them? I doubt it. But doesn't matter there is goodness in everyone I believe, even the ones who love talking nonsense, I still love them, we all share the same passion, flying! and tomorrow the weather in England is looking good for a good flight :) Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

I don't think I'll argue it any more, but your definition of "up" is a different than most people. The definition of "gaining altitude" "Up" is the same for everyone unless the person is dumb. As explained to death here, a dive and flare is not gaining any altitude or going up as you end up lower then where you started. are you really trying to say that i am not gaining altitude relative to the lowest point in a dive before i flare? Absolutely. that's simple physics. Otherwise I would be diving and flaring my hangglider all day long to go up to the clouds. that would be stupid as this is not how it works. When you dive sharply pick up speed and flare you will have a small momentous gain but will end up lower than the point you started the dive. obviously. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Because even people arguing if he is climbing or not would agree he is flaring at the end of a steep dive. And a thermal strong enough to produce that kind of climb on a wingsuit would need to be incredibly strong. Very strong winds could produce that kind of lift, but then it wouldn't be a thermal, and I doubt the conditions would be flyable in that location. So, I find laughable to think it is CLEARLY a "small" thermal. No, you wrong about the the highlighted text in your message, Away from the a ridge/cliff Strong winds will never produce any lift to any glider/wingsuit, unless the wingsuit is ridge soaring, that means a wingsuit would fly very close to a ridge/cliff with strong winds hitting the face of the ridge/cliff it would create an invisible wave lift band where the wingsuit will keep sustained flight, the strong the wind the more change a wingsuit has to stay up. That's what that guys on the video on vimeo was experimenting with lines in the end of the video, they were near a cliff/ridge. On the video on youtube where the wingsuit gained altitude the guy is clearly no where near enough a ridge or cliff for strong winds to produce an wave lift effect therefore the only thing left to be able to lift him for 5 seconds and several meters is thermal, some thermals are perfectly capable of lifting things far heavier and smaller than a wingsuit pilot. The way he enters in the thermal and the roundish path is clearly the shape of a thermal. I see it every flight when others fly into a thermal. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

I don't think I'll argue it any more, but your definition of "up" is a different than most people. The definition of "gaining altitude" "Up" is the same for everyone unless the person is dumb. As explained to death here, a dive and flare is not gaining any altitude or going up as you end up lower then where you started. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Nope, have you read all the messages? the mainly argument here is " gaining altitude " which some nonsense jumpers insist to be possible to gain altitude without thermals just just by a "dive and flare" or that wingsuits go up with "high winds" and that is obviously not possible in any aircraft, glider or a wingsuit as explained to death here by me and other member. Dive and flare and you end up same height as you started or lower. Simple physics. The only way up is staying inside an air mass that is going up, that are called thermals or ridge soaring. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBcapxGHjE I knew this stupid argument was coming, obviously from people who knows nothing what they are talking about but they are ignorant enough to think that what they are saying is correct. Once again I will explain exactly whats happening on the video so try to learn. He just dived his aircraft and used the energy of the dive to climb again BUT HE DID NOT CLIMB ANY HIGHER THAN WHERE HE WAS BEFORE WHEN HE STARTED DIVING! Who claimed that he did? You wrote: "Not even a glider, hangglider or paraglider can produce lift to go up, every glider including a wingsuit is always going down" Going UP simply means that the altitude is increasing, something that any glider can do if it starts with an excess of kinetic energy that it can trade for potential energy. No thermal needed. You are, quite simply, WRONG. You said you are glider pilot, powered pilot and wingsuit jumper and teach engineer right? I'm sorry to say but after your utterly non sense arguments, you must be trolling or you probably is the worse glider pilot, powered pilot that I ever seen because your ideas about how air mass and physics are utterly wrong. As explained to death here even by other member when you " speed to lift " in simple words " dive and flare " DO NOT MEANS IT IS GAINING ALTITUDE if he start diving at 100 ft his climb will go up to 90ft so he is actually LOSING HEIGHT NOT CLIMBING I fly gliders and I know this simple as 2+2 = 4 otherwise i would just keep diving my hangglider everytime I want to go up!! That's stupid. BTW I'm still waiting for your private message, I asked you pretty simple questions about flying on it, no answer? Maybe some lessons in basic English would clue you in. English is not my mother language therefore spelling mistakes is pretty normal. You should use your perfect English and go study because so far you only spoke nonsense. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBcapxGHjE I knew this stupid argument was coming, obviously from people who knows nothing what they are talking about but they are ignorant enough to think that what they are saying is correct. Once again I will explain exactly whats happening on the video so try to learn. He just dived his aircraft and used the energy of the dive to climb again BUT HE DID NOT CLIMB ANY HIGHER THAN WHERE HE WAS BEFORE WHEN HE STARTED DIVING! Who claimed that he did? You wrote: "Not even a glider, hangglider or paraglider can produce lift to go up, every glider including a wingsuit is always going down" Going UP simply means that the altitude is increasing, something that any glider can do if it starts with an excess of kinetic energy that it can trade for potential energy. No thermal needed. You are, quite simply, WRONG. YOU ARE THE ONE CLAIMING THAT IS POSSIBLE TO GAIN ALTITUDE WITHOUT THERMALS JUST WITH A DIVE AND FLARE, YOU JUST SAID IT! As explained to death here even by other member when you " speed to lift " in simple words " dive and flare " DO NOT MEANS IT IS GAINING ALTITUDE if he start diving at 100 ft his climb will go up to 90ft so he is actually LOSING HEIGHT NOT CLIMBING I fly gliders and I know this simple as 2+2 = 4 otherwise i would just keep diving my hangglider everytime I want to go up!! That's stupid. You said you are glider pilot, powered pilot and wingsuit jumper and teach engineer right? I'm sorry to say but after your utterly non sense arguments, you must be trolling or you probably is the worse glider pilot, powered pilot that I ever seen because your ideas about how air mass and physics are utterly wrong. BTW I'm still waiting for your private message, I asked you pretty simple questions about flying on it, no answer? Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Could you explain why it is laughable? Btw, the small climb caused by "speed to lift" you call "accumulating speed" is not actually a way of going up because the climb will always be lower than the point where you started the dive to pick up speed. so its not considered a way of going up. The only way up are Thermals or Ridge lift (soaring). Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

I knew this stupid argument was coming, obviously from people who knows nothing what they are talking about but they are ignorant enough to think that what they are saying is correct. Once again I will explain exactly whats happening on the video so try to learn. He just dived his aircraft and used the energy of the dive to climb again BUT HE DID NOT CLIMB ANY HIGHER THAN WHERE HE WAS BEFORE WHEN HE STARTED DIVING! ACTUALLY MAXIMUM PEAK OF HIS CLIMB WILL LOWER THAN WHEN HE STARTED THE DIVE. AND THAT IS NOT FLYING UPWARDS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T CLIMB A SINGLE FOOT UP HIGHER THAN THAN HE WAS BEFORE. Any glider or plane can do that. For a glider to climb up you need to stay inside air that is going up ( colums of air, thermals) , thats the only way to gain altitude, and the best way to do that is make circles inside the air that is going up like vultures, gliders do etc... It is Astonishing the lack of the most basic knowledge of how a non powered aircraft flies among wingsuit jumpers. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBcapxGHjE I knew this stupid argument was coming, obviously from people who knows nothing what they are talking about but they are ignorant enough to think that what they are saying is correct. Once again I will explain exactly whats happening on the video so try to learn. He just dived his aircraft and used the energy of the dive to climb again BUT HE DID NOT CLIMB ANY HIGHER THAN WHERE HE WAS BEFORE WHEN HE STARTED DIVING! ACTUALLY MAXIMUM PEAK OF HIS CLIMB WILL LOWER THAN WHEN HE STARTED THE DIVE. AND THAT IS NOT FLYING UPWARDS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T CLIMB A SINGLE FOOT UP HIGHER THAN THAN HE WAS BEFORE. Any glider or plane can do that. For a glider to climb up you need to stay inside air that is going up ( colums of air, thermals) , thats the only way to gain altitude, and the best way to do that is make circles inside the air that is going up like vultures, gliders etc... It is Astonishing the lack of basic knowledge of non powered flying among wingsuit jumpers. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Stunning? What's stunning is how much wind they're dealing with, but the idea that they are 'flying' is not accurate. Anything will blow away provided the winds are strong enough. Quote Davelepka in EXACTLY what moment I said they were "Flying"? honestly... another one... unbelievable. Quote Show me a wingsuit capable of producing enough lift to hoist a human body, and do it at a low enough airpseed to foot launch, and you'll have something. The video shown is not even remotely close to that, or any closer than previously believed. As cool as it is to watch, it's nothing more than bad weather day shennanigans, something any skydiver would know about.Quote Who said wingsuits can produce lift to go up? Another ridiculous misconception from someone who knows nothing about how an aircraft without motor gos up. Not even a glider, hangglider or paraglider can produce lift to go up, every glider including a wingsuit is always going down, it starts going up when it hits air that is going up like thermals, waves and ridge soaring thats when the air going up its faster than the your sink rate then one minus another the result is how much your going up. Why the hell almost every wingsuit I talk to think that for wingsuit go up it need speed? thats absolutely the wrong idea, actually wingsuits need to get a bit slower if they ever want to climb up! The Air moves up and down ( vertically, Thermals) and this is the air we use to go up or down ( air does not only move horizontally ) try to lean it once and for all. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Thanks to Tony indeed, he works hard on his suits, I keep telling him "Tony go bigger in the next suits" and he is going, yay! Stunning what the guys are doing in the end of the video, that's what happens when nut paragliders starting flying wingsuits.... keep going guys... amazing

Noo I didn't hear this did I? lol GPS's are far cheaper than a barometric sensor, every cheap android phone has a GPS inside. I fly with my galaxy s3 ( modern GPS and Glonass) phone and it has GPS and baro sensor inside, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE that the GPS is more accurate for vertical speed than the barometer, on XCSoar application you can choose the data between GPS and Baro sensor and with GPS is way to slow and do not give information at real time like a baro sensor does. you Sink 5 meters in 1 second the baro sensor will says straight away in the same second, the GPS will say 10 seconds later and even not the exact number you sank, instead of 5 it will say 6 7 or 4 etc... totally unreliable for vertical speed. I know we are all learning with this debates here and nobody knows everything, but I find it AMAZING that some guys here come affirming things that are utterly not the truth. I wonder if wrong information is pass over and over again because others watching this and are unfamiliar with what we are talking may just believe in what is told here and if what is told here is totally wrong they may keep passing the wrong message ahead. Lauren "Amazed" BTW I usually teach seminar about GPS's Varios, Baro sensors and flying computers in my flying club. I dont know everything naturally, but I know quite bit in this area. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

I highly recommend you to do that, you have lots to learn, wingsuits are not longer just falling, a wingsuit nowadays is actually a low performance fast glider, learning about, air, wind, thermals, cloud formation, ridge soaring can help you to stay in the air much longer on a wingsuit than just a normal "jumper" Visit, ask, read, learn etc... generally glider, hangglider and paraglider pilots are very good pilots, they generally know more about air dynamics and meteorology than those who fly motor airplanes as we depend absolutely on it to be able to stay up flying as we do not have turbines or propellers. I highly recommend you to visit any glider forum and learn a world that you don't know about that has direct use for flying your wingsuit. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20