gisellemartins

*** This is the second time Giselle has popped in condescending fashion to tell every actual wingsuit pilot that disagrees with her... I could steal this and use it as a comedy gag, man..... she speaks nonsense ...... ........ Its like one of those jerk gag reels I used to hear on the radio from that station in Boston. Giselle, when I get to the touchy parts of my latest little wingsuit design project, I will be sure to call on you and your superior knowledge of the interior of a chicken to tell me how I really ought to be doing it. Thank you for your contribution to our community. Its not the contribution you wanted to make, but it is appreciated, nonetheless. -B As usual lurch can't have a conversation without personal insults and also making false suggestions. The words/ sentences in underline is to enlight your insults the ones in bold is your false assumptions as usual as not every pilot here disagree with me. You been told to back off of this type of false aff in the old topic but you still persist, expected. I believe wungsuits will soar one day, you don't and you insults who does. Lets wait and see what the future holds, maybe I'm a stupid, ignorant with crap ideas as you and jake suggest. Even if you and jake are right about me, I'm still happy to be a dreamer

Cool, that makes sense and sounds resonably accurate. Can you run the same calculation on the same body size in a Birdman Classic(like this yellow suit http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=98883;t=search_engine), and also without any wingsuit? I'd be interested to compare the 3 to see how far we've come since 1999. I can try... I'm at work and I haven't got the program on this laptop, I will try later at home. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

you have no fucking clue, a 7sqm speedrider probably weighs less than 10kg's, that's including harness.. Another nut case speaking nonsense, jesus this forum has some crazy crazy people LOL Love which speed hangglider weight less than 10kg? please show me and I will go buy it today =) gin nano, 9.5sqm weighs 2.2kg's, as seen here: http://www.gingliders.com/speedflying/speedriding-gliders/nano/#top random, all-purpose harness, 2.4kg's, as seen here: http://www.gingliders.com/speedflying/harnesses/speedride/ combined weight, hold on, gotta fire up my CAD, 9.2kg's, oh fuck it, it's only 4.6kg's! mhm; have you put your order in already!? and as far as the nutcase goes; at least i was able to prove my point.. My love, what you are talking about is a paraglider, we are talking about acro/speed hangglider NOT a paraglider, hence doesn't exist hangglider with less than 10kg, a paraglider for sure, I have one that weight 2kg only. Are you reading correctly what we were talking about? "Face palm" Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Actually the your description about me in this post "Everything else I've said has been directed at your idea's, which are so self evidently factually wrong and deluded that the only possible conclusion is that you're purposefully (and quite successfully) trolling the forum" is exactly what I think about you. I invite anyone to have a look Jakee's post and my replies since his first post on this topic. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Actually you are the only one trolling here Jakee, using nasty words to describe someone who dont share the same ideas as you. This is an interesting topic, lots can be learned from people with different way of thinking, so stop trolling and ruining the topic... Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

That's fine with me, I'm quite a nice person and I only did a harsh reply, because their reply was harsh to me in the first place. I just hope that this "Advice message" left for me also applies for Jakee and a few other members as they were the ones who first started using agressive and personal attacks just because I disagree with their ideas. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Are you using MySquarePro 2.0, or Area Lite v6? I can never decide which software suite to use for my basic geometry needs! Actually for wingsuit I use CAD, or XLR5 for other aircraft's. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

you have no fucking clue, a 7sqm speedrider probably weighs less than 10kg's, that's including harness.. Another nut case speaking nonsense, jesus this forum has some crazy crazy people LOL Love which speed hangglider weight less than 10kg? please show me and I will go buy it today =) EDIT: Giselle, if you wish to continue this conversation, lets stay away from personal attacks. Failure to do so will be in violation of the forum rules and you will get some time off from the forum. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

You answered your own question. Tell me why sailplanes are sailplanes and hanggliders are hanggliders? both have flat wings, with a pilot in the middle, used for the same thing soaring and thermalling, the different is that in one the pilot is sitting inside the wing and the other the pilot is hanging under the wing. ( not to mention other differences like weight, size and performance) Why paragliders are paragliders and kitsurf are kitesurf? they look very similar but one the pilot hang close the wing and in another the pilot hang far from the wing. ( not to mention other diff. like weight, size and performance) Why wingsuits with arm extended frame are wingsuits and hanggliders are hangliders? Beside that you already answered this question yourself, as wingsuits use the pilot body frame + extended arm frame and a hangglider don't use ANY body frame, not the mention you hang under the wing hence the name HANG-glider, on the top of that a wingsuit even with extended arm frame and high aspect ratio will still be far small then a normal size hangglider and far more packable and portable then a hangglider. ( not to mention other diff. like weight, size and performance) Do you understand it this time? Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

My suit? I don't have any suits no either going to built one. We are talking about the possibility of soaring on a wingsuit someday and its implications on this topic, nothing to do with "my suit". Yes you are confused and confusing. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Well If one day the wingsuits get rigid and we became able to soar, I will still prefer fly on it then on a sailplane, there dozen of reasons why but a few ones would be. 1- Portability - Be able to carry your wing in your backpack to hill and take off ( you can't carry a 60kg sailplane in your backback and take off from the hill. 2-Price, A wingsuit is far less expensive than a sailplane. 3- Freedom, sensation, fly your own body, feel the wind hitting your face, instead be inside of a mechanic cabin. Paragliders have far less performance then hanggliders, but they still out numbered of hanggliders in a few years, all because of portability, having wing that folds in a small backpack weight around 10kg the full gear is very appealing for many pilots. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Glad to see someone who understand about aerodynamics here, welcome to our funny, unpolite and sometimes nonsense discussion, have fun... Are you a glider, paraglider or hangglider pilot also? besides being an aerodynamicist, do you have knowledge in non powered flight? thermals, waves, soaring, dynamic lift etc? The end of your post is exactly what my point is about and some here go totally nuts and are sure that soaring will never happen on a wingsuit no matter what. Well I disagree, but then only time will tell if I'm wrong or right... Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Again, you're making a false assumption based on childish perceptions. Just because you can stand erect and falp your arms in a wing-like manner does not mean that humans have a 'good' structure for flying. Dude In what moment in this entire topic I said we have the SAME physical structure as birds? show me were I said that. As a Biologist I know we have far less muscle structure to hold big suits, but that was not what we were talking about, so don't create ridiculous affirmations that I never said. Read the full topic before posting bullshit. What I said is that human physic is similar to birds in some ways and that what allows you to fly your suit, we have far more prone bodies to be able to fly then pigs, fact! thats what I told your friend. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

If you paid for that software - ask for your money back. 1.8m x 1.5m is 2.7m^2 and that's if you are a flying rectangle, the reality is there is less wing. 2 to 2.5m^2 is a more realistic number. Not close to 10 or even to 4. Hi Lukeh, you are ccirrect, My software calculated it on both sides thats why double value of 4.2sqm, so dived that for 2 the area is 2.1sqm. Some acro/speed hanggliders are only 7sqm and they can soar easily, but you have to add 30kg to your weight (hangglider weight) ence the wingsuit is far lighter and only carry the pilot weight, therefore even being smaller the wingsuit will have a very good efficiency. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

They didn't have almost 0m^2. They had significantly more than that. We don't have almost 4m^2. We have significantly less than that. It's massively far. Much, much, much further than we've come already, and we've been plucking the low hanging fruit. Biologist you may (or may not) be, but mathematician you definitely are not. Flight is a physics game, and you fucking suck at crunching the numbers! Oh dear, Jake a flyingsuit is not a wingsuit ok? for you to able to understand. They were used before the advent of wibgsuits and their surface area is very small (human body shape only) therefore far less then 1sqm. Making some calculations in a airfoil program I have here, a person around 6ft 185cm wearing an apache, will have around 4,2sqm of area measuring the suit with arms and legs open (flying mode) So I think you the only one here who sucks with math and everything else probably lol Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Blyme! Your post is an absolute nonsense, even tho pigs are mammals like humans we humans have arms that moves very simmilar to birds, that's a fact, humans didnt evolve with wings, but we do have a good structure for flying, that's why you can fly your suit, if you were a pig you would not be able to even wear any kind of flyable suit. As I mentioned before, the flat airfoil of a wingsuit is far more efficient then a curved unframed paraglider, therefore wingsuits even being smaller it has a very clean and efficient airfoil it can reach good performance, that's why the guys almost soared on that video, give wingsuits time and it will materialise for the nightmare of Jakee and a few others ;) Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

The magic of flying have many forms and shapes, we still have lots to learn, a peregrine falcon can glide better than most lighter high aspect ratio birds, even tho the female is almost 1kg heavier. With the advent of extended arm frames, the Aspect Ratio of wingsuits has increased a lot in the past few years, specially from tonysuits, plus with the current wingsuits the dreamers from the video above almost made it so you never know what will happen with wingsuits in a few years time. Thats the point I'm saying. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

You are comparing Apples with oranges, one thing have nothing to do with another. A wingsuit have far superior aerodynamics, because the profile is flat, not arched plus no lines ( which is enormous amount of drag on paragliders and therefore a lot of performance is lost due that) for a paraglider and a wingsuit with higher aspect ratio in the same size and the weight of the pilot being equal on both the wingsuit will probably have a glide ratio far superior, probably well over 15:1 Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Taking the average male height worldwide to be somewhere around 1.7m, the area of the Vitruvian man's circle is about 3.5sqm. See the attached image for an overlay of a modern large wingsuit on top of the Vitruvian man. I'd guess by eyeballing that only about 1/2 of the circle is being used (and I'm being generous here, I think). So maybe 1.75sqm for a modern large wingsuit. How exactly is 2sqm "not far" from 10sqm? Granted I'm no biologist... but to me that seems like a factor of 5. See the next attached image for this wingsuit scaled 2.4x linearly (5.75x by area). I'm not sure it looks any less ridiculous than the image you still have as your avatar, but either is impossible without a rigid airframe, at which point it may be really super cool... but it won't be a wingsuit anymore. Also, I'm not sure if biologists know about forces and moments, but having arms that are twice as short as they need to be does not mean that you have shoulders which are twice as weak as they need to be. It's a lot worse. I'm not sure about your cartoon explanation, your calculations may be far wrong, An airfoil design program could calculate it exactly, with the wing in the right shape using extend arm frames as bigger suits does. I'm sure it wont work that way, the wings can go span wise, higher aspect ratio. Anyway Airfoil design is an endless subjetc as it can take many forms to adjust a certain type of flight and frame structure. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Are you being serious? An individual who is 6ft (1.83m) will have approximately 36sqft (3.35sqm) in the largest wingsuits ... that is pretty far from 107sqft (10sqm). If you consider that in a few years back our flyingsuits had almost 0sqm and now we have almost 4sqm then it is not so far. A paraglider have enormous amount of drag (lines) and also a poor aerodinamic shape as the wing is made of light fabric without frame and it is curved (arc). The ideal airfoil wound be close to (flat) like Hangies and wingsuits (wingsuits have less drag and better aerodynamics than paragliders). A well designed advanced hangglider could be around 7sqm and it will still soar with a pilot, (very fast but it would) Once again, considering the teconlogy we have today and amazing bird minds out there, I dont think we are too many years from being able to soar on a wingsuit Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

That bit. You think it's feasible to wear suits with a surface area proportional to fruitbats. That's a crap idea, and if you still think it's not a crap idea, you haven't learned anything since your last visit. They found almost the perfect spot, in excellent conditions, used one of the biggest suits on the market and were still a long way from maintaining altitude. It's still wicked cool, but it's not what you're talking about. And if they did one day achieve what you've been talking about, it'll be nothing to do with the suits you've been daydreaming about. Jakee you are the true self-contradiction walking on legs. I won't go further talking about Aerodynamics or Zoology/Ornithology with you, firstly because I will only waste my time as you are not a pilot or a Biologist, unlike myself. Firstly you are wrong about sizes, a speed wing/small paraglider around 10sqm (square meter) or hangglider around the same size can easily sustain soaring with a pilot around 80kg in strong wind ( as seen on the video) An Apache or Fusion is not far from 10sqm. Secondly All I said before and now is the same thing, clear and simple and i can repeat it for you once again, wingsuits will get bigger with higher Aspect Ratios getting slower and with better sink rate and better glide ratio, extended arm frame with graphene or carbon fiber with an intelligente design will help you keep your arms open with bigger suits effortless, because of the gain in performance and size the wingsuits will start being able to soar, they almost made it, if the pilot was a bit lighter (for his same height) and the wind was a bit stronger they would have sustained level flight. Thats what i said and thats my opinion about it, if you say what I think is crap, well thats your problem, you wont change the facts ;) Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Good to see a pilot in the middle of the crowd ;) Nice explained. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Why? Even if someone did manage to genuinely soar a wingsuit she'd still be an ignorant non jumper with a crap idea. Hi Jake, thanks for the lovely comment about me. Just for the record... I'm a jumper, and you are the only ignorant here, who could not keep an argument with me about aerodynamics in that old thread. "Jake said: ignorant with a crap idea" My idea was exactly what the guys on the video were trying to do, find the right place, with the right wind and the right size of suit (wingload) and try to soar with it, what you think it is so "crap"? I'm sorry, but the only one with crap comments is you. If top paraglider and wingsuits pilots are trying to do it, it is because they (like me) believe it is possible. The guys together wingsuit/paragliders companies came together to try to make it happen for the first time and they almost made it, and they will try again, hopefully they will manage it and shut up guys who speak so much crap like you. Sorry for other members about the harsh post, I'm quite sweet girl, but if Jakee approaches someone with the tone he did on the post above, then he deserve the same tone back. Happy landings Lauren Giselle Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Hi HGpilot, It could work, but bear in mind that the center of gravity from a HG is a pendulum, therefore to dive the pilot need to pull the bar until his knees witch can make the hanglider a bit unstable to control. If the Hangglider was connected to the back of the pilot then the dive would be perfect and easy to do, just like a sailplane. I think it can be done, something that would make it easier is a big pilot using a small hangliders for small pilots, a hanglider around 9 to 12 square meters (90square feet). With the small HG the guy will have worse sink rate but better speed to keep up with the wingsuit. The only problem is the landing, because the hanglider will be a missile, very fast indeed for landing. All the best PS. If you make it, I post the video I wanna see it =) Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

No, that won't be neccessary. All you need to do is explain the difference between 'Design' and 'design'. Jakee It was a spell mistake for sure and anyone can commit this mistake even English been their first language, witch is not mine! so let me ask you something.. how many languages do you speak fluently? I speak 3. German, Portuguese and English. Can I now have my little spelling mistake in English? Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20