Martini

The question isn't about airmanship, your opinions of who should be jumping HP canopies or your other various opinions. If you'd like a disuission outside the OP's question, whether you think it is flawed or not, then start another thread. Judging by the varied responses of very qualified pilots I'd say the question is valid. By inference I'd also say you believe that rear risers are the only answer on a long downwind run. OK that may work for you. Even if that was the case on my canopy it wouldn't matter because I can't hold the rears down as long as long I can hold the brakes down. Could my results change using different techniques? Very possibly, I don't have that much x-braced experience. Is the answer the same for steep trimmed canopies like the Velo and Xaos-21 versus flatter trimmed canopies? I don't know and I may learn something by reading other pilots replies. Telling me I'm not qualified, pull higher, stay in the plane etc. does fail me because I don't learn about other pilot's skills from that kind of response. If you'd rather not provide an answer to the original question that's fine, if you'd like to discuss other related matters I'm interested in that too if you post outside this thread. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Do all your answers to simple questions come with a free soapbox? Sheesh. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Too bad this thread has been so badly hijacked, a simple intelligent question deserves simple intelligent answers. I haven't been jumping my Xaos-21-98 (2.0 wl) for a long while but by far my best float was in pretty deep brakes. Rears were less effective and much harder to hold for a long flight. I go for best float when on a long upwind spot which is what I assume you meant by "far spot". Long upwind or crosswind runs need different inputs. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

I'm sure Corne will appreciate your answer to his question.....seven years after he asked it

Tonto may be gone but then again maybe he's not!

Oxygen enriched breathing gas mixtures are often used in decompression stop cylinders, staged or carried. Incidentally diving deeper than what is called "recreational limits" of about 130 feet salt water is called tech diving for a reason. Understanding and implementing the relationships of time, depth, gas mix etc is very technical and requires serious training and study. I'm not a tech diver, don't dive enough to justify the time and expense, but I am interested. BTW, check out on land what 130 feet looks like, it's not very far at all but underwater the physics are significant. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

DAN is tied in with promoting the SCUBA industry (not as bad as PADI, but still...), so they will recommend pushing it, since that is what sells more SCUBA vacations. True that but who says you have to jump at 13k? To be conservative about the whole concept of skydiving after SCUBA you have to assume starting out with a N2 saturated diver and skydives to 15k. Unfortunately no research has been done, nor would I expect that it will ever be done, on modified diving and jumping. A big difference exists between a 1 1/2 hour dive to 130' followed by a 13k wingsuit jump compared to a 1 hour dive to 40' followed by a few hop & pops. Not to mention that what works for me may very well kill you. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

You do know that you replied to Eric (Tonto) who died over three years ago? Your SCUBA theory is close but not too accurate, most diving is done with no stops except for a general "safety stop" at around 15-20 feet. Also dissolved gasses affect more than just blood, other tissues act in different ways. Waiting 24 hours, or any other time, allows excess dissolved gasses to exit the body not "dissolve again back to normal". The entire mechanism is quite complex and depends on many factors including gas mixture, depths, time at depth, ascention rate, stops, temperature, physical exertion, altitude etc. Not to mention personal sensitivity and the somewhat unpredictible nature of DCS. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

John, I have no experience using oxygen to aid in reducing excess nitrogen from a diver's system but O2 is standard first aid for decompression sickness. If anyone wants to try deco diving followed by O2 treatment so they can do some wingsuit jumps please let me know how that works out. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Here are the current recommendations from DAN (Divers Alert Network): Revised Flying After Diving Guidelines for Recreational Diving - May 2002 The following guidelines are the consensus of attendees at the 2002 Flying After Diving Workshop. They apply to air dives followed by flights at cabin altitudes of 2,000 to 8,000 feet (610 to 2,438 meters) for divers who do not have symptoms of decompression sickness (DCS). The recommended preflight surface intervals do not guarantee avoidance of DCS. Longer surface intervals will reduce DCS risk further. •For a single no-decompression dive, a minimum preflight surface interval of 12 hours is suggested. •For multiple dives per day or multiple days of diving, a minimum preflight surface interval of 18 hours is suggested. •For dives requiring decompression stops, there is little evidence on which to base a recommendation and a preflight surface interval substantially longer than 18 hours appears prudent. DAN has done more research than anyone on this subject, the Navy stuff isn't current nor is it particularly useful. Personally I've done many skydives after SCUBA, haven't had a problem but kept the dives and jumps conservative. If you do this you're a guinea pig and you could die. Or not. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Thanks, sounds like the big island has more to offer, I think diving may be better there too. The Napali coast is a mindblower though. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Just wait till you get to do a sunset hop and pop at altitude in the same conditions over the East Field and float down between all those colorfuly lit sunset clouds. Quote Since when do you float? Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Matt, Where did you paraglide on Kauai? I'll be on one of the islands next year, bringing only paraglider & possibly speedwing, not BASE or skydive. Leaning towards Kauai, second choice big island (haven't been there). Sometimes you eat the bear..............

I think that the subject of cutaway cable lubrication has spawned more posts than any other subject. Everyone has an opinion, there is no general agreement except on one point; maintain your cutaway system so that it will ALWAYS work when you need it. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

You have 17 jumps and your discipline is wingsuit flying? Awrigggggggggggggt! You're a guy I want to fly with, awesome post, awesome attitude.

It is tradition to sleep nekkid with it.Quote Unless you're a beautiful woman, then the tradition is to sleep nekkid with me! Sometimes you eat the bear..............

I think you should have a 2 man team vertical distance challenge Quote You thinking about a low pull contest? Sometimes you eat the bear..............

it really is a good habit to pull abover 4k. most people like to suck it down to 3.Quote Your opinion, not a fact. Really. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

As for his tone, unless you have a recording of the conversation you can post so we can hear it for ourselves in context, it's kind of hard for us to judge. Quote But that won't stop anyone from being judgemental. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Power. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

BTW my wife, the graphic designer, used to pay for my jumps.

Maybe he just didn't like you for some reason. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Rude? That's a seriously funny way of politely telling you no. At 400 jumps you should have a thicker skin than that. In case you haven't noticed, skydivers aren't generally PC. Sometimes they're even deviants. In sort of a good way. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

You asked, the guy said no. He's not obligated to cater to your desires. Sounds like you're the arrogant one. You've got a lot to learn about skydiving and people pal. If you stay in the sport awhile you'll find yourself giving the same answer as the "cocky asshole" did, then maybe you'll understand what's up. You have a hundred jumps, chill out. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Tony Suits without a wing cutaway are particularly sensitive to bulky clothing, even in cold weather your arms should have only a snug light layer. Bulk up on your torso not your arms with these suits, sleeveless vests work well. Sometimes you eat the bear..............