denete

I couldn't agree more. Some of them have a lot of years and thousands of jumps, too. So, here's an idea: Why not teach students, at some point before they move out from under your wing, about why it might be important in their future as up-jumpers to not talk to skydivers who are students? Basically, you could get the idea into their heads before they become "that guy". A potential secondary benefit is that it would be a good time to talk about how in the future they should respond to new jumpers' questions with "have you talked with your instructor, and what did your instructor say"? --- For what it is worth, I'm a beginner and not an instructor, etc., etc. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

The birthday paddle will definitely be out for Fitz. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

I make money with a Mac and I play games with Windows. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

I make no assumptions with the people on the plane. I ask for pin checks before boarding the aircraft, or in flight only if the person is a rigger or they jump the same container that I jump. Only once has someone started to check my rig without asking and I had to ask them to stop. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

So, did he ever complete his trip? SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

Yep, you could say "just use the Force", and it would be just as successful as the 45-degree "rule". When I hear it, I tell the young'un to do what they were taught by their instructor and then go talk with their instructor about this 45-degree theory...with the hopes that the REAL instructor will debunk or approve the method. Debunking seems to be the most common result. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

AND...kicked some ass. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

JSU...just show up. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

Show up folks...slackers. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

20 SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

That was a good hand to go out on, if I remember correctly. Flush over a straight or something like that. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

Did you have to buy weather insurance too? SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

39 SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

Get in the game. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

I'm in. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

BUT, an even more significant benefit that seems to be overlooked is that the canopy will be overhead sooner during turn recovery than with a single-toggle turn. Need to avoid a serious obstacle close to the ground? Better to have the canopy overhead when you contact the ground than to have swung out from underneath it. Or am I misguided here? SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

The person who is betting on the condoms being present in the event that sex is going to happen needs to be sure to get the damn condoms. Yes, that might mean that both people show up with condoms...just save them or use them all. I know I would. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

WHAT? You didn't ask for a go-around? SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

Your ear will already be cutting down the perceived decibels during freefall (amazing invention, the ear) to protect itself. Now, if you're skydiving where it is quiet...that's another problem. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

And you'll get all the chicks when you leave it on after your jump. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

True. And, there are some good "discussions" on this in the Instructors forum. On the other side of the issue, my fear for students fresh off AFF is that they are now self-supervising and grab a new helmet with comfort and coolness in mind...not safety. Can you see your handles, etc. They don't think of this because they don't have the body of experience that an instructor has. Being cleared to self-supervise is not the same as being cleared to make good decisions without input from experienced instructors. Some young jumpers see that first solo as an arrival at a point where they no longer have to be taught. I just happen to see it differently. That, is why a statement like "...once you're finished with AFF..." doesn't make sense unless you qualify it with your statement above about an instructor needing to see your face. I think we agree at a basic level. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

I agree! ....... once you're finished with AFF.... Being off AFF doesn't suddenly make things different. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

The Don is coming?! SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

No you dork, I meant which of those groups were going to be there...not just your fan club. SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)

Dirty Sanchez? Rodriguez Bros? Muff Bros? PMS? Anvil Bros? SCR? Hellfish? Who's going to be there? SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch)