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BUY an RV, sense your wife gonna be a jumper, trust me it will come in handy for years to come! _________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan

Apples and oranges guys. Commonly speaking a bag lock happens when the bag closing stows do not release, but all of the other lines have been released. Thus trapping the canopy in the bag. There is enough drag to "stand up a jumper". Samuri136.. Sounds like your burble being stable belly down prevented this from occuring, I am not trying to say you did not have a bag lock, but that you had an unusual bag lock.

I have a buddy who was filming a tandem, so he had the opertunity to pull high after the tandem. He had a PC "hesitation" I'll call it. We were all watching from the ground, when I said shit, cause I saw him pitch. He angled head low and the PC cleared, lucky for him cause he was probably at 1500 when his main was fully deployed. He had a pull out deployment device. _________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan

Millions! _________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A pilot chute in tow malfunction is one where the main pilot chute is in the airstream and the main pin HAS NOT CLEARED the main closing loop. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Says who? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Parachutist June 1997 page 41: "A pilot chute in tow occurs when you've thrown your pilot chute, but it doesn't pull your pin, and the container remains locked."

Yeah! I just about sick of that country song about it. You know the one......I went skydiving, I went rocky mountian climbing, I went 2.7 seconds on a bull named fu man chu. It seams that everyother tandem picks that song. _________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan

http://www.uspa.org/safety/newsletters/BW_Safety_Day.pdf _________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan

Not all of us newbies stop listening.

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That is fucking awesom, dude can you duez zat again? I going to print this out, and post it on the board at work for laughs, amazing! _________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan

OK I think I'm starting to get it. Thanks Terry, Ron, and Sundevil. Stopping the skydive is apparently more important than landing a two out. I am going to seriously reconsider my EP's before I jump again. After all a jumper needs to have a plan and stick to it. There is no time when traveling at terminal to reconsider. Even though dumping your reserve in a PC in tow can almost insure a two out, it, in itself is safer than, cutting away first because it may be a waist of time/altitude. You can always cutaway after, or land a SBS/biplane. If you dump reserve and stop the skydive, aware of a two out, you may able to chop before the main completes inflation. It does go against instinct of how to handle a partial, but it seems to give you the best odds of surviving the jump. With all these different scenarios, it almost no wonder the USPA has adopted both plans to limit liability. It is up to each of us to formulate a plan and stick to it. Thanks guys!

Buy a pullout rig or a ripcord rig. > Got it,

If the main container doesn't open until the opening shock of the reserve, it will likely fall out.

OK so its like a. break your burrble (PC in tow) b. pull silver c. peal breakaway, and be ready? I think you, and Terry have merit you your EP's. Thank you for responding. Well yes and no.

: Re: [artistcalledian] Fear by CSpenceFLY Post: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I started AFF in September last year, i took 14 jumps to pass, now i'm working my way through my consol jumps I almost packed it all in a few weeks ago, the fear got to me. I thought it's not for me if i'm this scared about it I started to think just what it was that i was scared of, and narrowed it down to 2 things 1. Spinning up and not being able to stop myself 2. The initial feeling of going head down as i dive head first out of the door, before i catch the wind under neath me to get stable on I kept thinking this through and through...asking myself if i could see any way i could stop the fear i was feeling i work out both of them out in my head.... 1. I knew i would not spin if i relaxed, so i just relaxed and stopped trying to do anything but just stay relaxed and stable - i want to do a few more jumps building my confidence that i can just do this simple task, seems very easy to big jump number people, but to me its the best feeling knowing i can just stay stable and pull on time 2. I decided to change my exit from a diving head down one out of the plane, to a feet down, facing into the relative wind exit... the same as static line students do, and when i'm happy doing that, i'll go back to diving out head first What i'm trying to say is this.... Just take some time to try and work out the areas that are scaring you, and talk to experienced jumpers or instructors about your fears, everything can be worked through and changed for the better with the help of people who know what you're feeling -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All of this from the same person that asked if we should even acknowledge static line jumpers and up to this point has referred to experianced jumpers as skygods.I don't get it.Wheres the british humor in you tell her to just suck it up.i'm very disappointed in you.With your 45000 plus jumps and 71yrs in the sport how could you abandon your true self? . . RoamingDZ.com official sponsor of The Rack(tm)v.2.0 2005 National Tour We are all here to SKYDIVE! You are coming to the Dublin Boogie,right??

One benefit of this is I can still cutaway once the reserve is open. If you cutaway first you have no other options left.

I also talked to others at my dropzone. Standard training procedure is just go ahead and do EP.

My recommendation is to get your reserve out, then deal with the main if it comes out.

Help, the SIM offers two reactions to a PC in tow. Pull reserve. (OR) Cut away, and pull reserve. The point is for the jumper to have a plan so not to burn up altitude trying to decide. A two out situation can be caused after the reserve deployment. The main compartment would have the room to stretch, and the main PC being out in the airstream could also deploy the main. My plan, based on current information and my style; I pull between 3.5 and 3. If I had a PC in tow I would located and pull cutaway, then reserve. However I would never go low trying to locate cutaway. If I had to, I would pull silver with out a cutaway once I found myself low, or would abandon the cutaway going through 1K. I consider a PC in tow; a malfunction in deployment. ie: activation, deployment, inflation I consider a PC in tow as a partial, high speed mal. The main deployment handle has been "activated". Question: Is my plan flawed? Please explain. When faced with that situation, and I followed my plan: I'm in the saddle under my reserve, and my main starts to deploy: does it fall between my legs, deploy, and start to inflate and only then releases from the 3 rings? Can this still cause an entanglement? My idea is to avoid a two out situation. Thank you, and don't hesitate to post, I want to learn, and I want to hear your opinion. _________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan

Jeffrey, Which branch of the US service did you serve? _________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan

If they then want to be stupid and buy a VX90 after being told not to, its their fault and they only have themselves to blame if they biff in

I think some 1500 troops were lost in the Normandy invasion, I think that is when the Americans took back occupied land from the Germans. I also believe that Amerians started using brit airbases to launch airattacs against the German homeland. Before Pearl Harbor I think the Americans were only sending aid, and bullets to our Europen allies. I also think the German U-boats were sinking American passenger shipping because that is how we were trying to sneak the aid into Europe. As an American I appriciate our allies who flew missions over our skies after 911, and the help and support from Nato/allies now during the wars. I know we are not popular with the majority of Brits and other Europen countries, and I for one do not feel you owe us for WW2. I agree we entered the war to stop the spread of repression before it could reach us in America. I think Hitler commited sucide in a bunker after he realized he was loosing popularity with germans and his political party. Of course that may just be propaganda from Amerian politicians. Hitler was trying to build rockets that could deliver bombs on American soil, and Japan was experminting with ballons that could cary toxic gas to America. Apparently we were not very popular back then also. _________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan

Hay man I hear you, I know what you mean. This is the deal, after 25 jumps they stop listning to the voice of reason, us. They start listning to the call for danger, just like their hero's who are pictured in the magazines. When they were students they hung on every word we said, after 25 they start listning to the little voice inside that says "go faster, jump harded, turn lower" I have been around for only 7 years and I can see the pattern you speak of. I do not know how to correct it. _________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan

I'm sorry. I have always known I have trouble making my true inner thoughts known sometimes. It must be one of the long-term side effects of all the "hormones from taking birth control pills do to the hair on my sexuality".

Oh? I wouldn't say you OR your oponion are average.