Andy9o8

Outstanding. QED. ---------------- I'll say this for the benefit of others reading, since I'm sure it's lost on you: There's a huge segment of the American population that is very much on the fence about this. They are the crucial population you need to win over, not the choir you're already preaching to. They watch carefully how you behave and comport yourself in this debate. Act like an adult, and you'll win a lot of them over. But if they see you engaging in juvenile name-calling, they will consider all those on your side to be unstable and untrustworthy, and you will lose big time.

Bump.

Hey, thanks for not jumping on the bandwagon of demonizing those who you disagree with on this issue. Lesson of the day: Want to get people to listen to you with an open mind? Call them "toads". That'll warm up the audience right quick! Classic.

That's not what he said. I listened to it - the headline mis-quoted him, and you're just repeating the mis-quote.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24/5-reportedly-dead-1-in-custody-in-winchester-ill-shooting/ 5 reportedly dead, 1 in custody, in Manchester, Illinois, shooting Five people were reportedly killed in a shooting in Manchester, Ill., Wednesday morning prompting the closure of three area schools, Fox2Now.com reports.

Well, the OB I spoke with who was against jumping was also against my continuing to walk up the stairs to my work. And your expertise in this is????. If they're jumping, they'll likely have shoes on, and they can't make him a sammich. woo hoo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrI7dVj90zs

On the other hand, forewarned is forearmed. If he disappears, he disappears. (Where's Jimmy Hoffa?)

The Japanese invented the bathroom.

That's my point.

Nothing succeeds like success.

The guy sounds like a real........ pressure cooker.

You and NYC are galaxies removed from each other. It works for them.

All the above answers are right on. Once your probation is over, consider this. But until then, remember: keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Charges have just been dropped.

Different circumstance. (1) Private home occupier found dude in his boat. (2) He called police and invited them to come get him. (3) Police did (4) Boat totaled I have ZERO problem with that. Cops don't need a warrant if they are invited. It's the difference between me offering to go undercover and wear a wire to record my phone calls versus the cops wiretapping my conversations without my knowledge. There's a big difference. I suggest the kind of slack we're talking about is more like this: [Officer] "Sir, we believe the bomber is in this area. He's heavily armed with guns and explosives, and he's already shot and killed a police officer and taken hostages while escaping. He's wounded and desperate. May we please search your house? [Resident] >Well, I'm telling you he's not here; and you don't have a warrant. Why should I consent? We want to make sure he isn't in here holding you hostage, or might have snuck into your house without your knowledge, or might have tossed an explosive in here without your knowledge. >What happens if I still say no? Sir, look all around you. You see what's going on here. We need to clear this area house by house. It's a massive, urgent undertaking. We simply don't have time to get search warrants for hundreds of separate houses. And we need every available resource to do this. If you don't let us clear your house, we'll have to divert badly-needed officers, resources and attention to surrounding your house to keep it secure while we conduct the rest of our search. This will only take a few minutes. We need your help. Will you please help us? ======= At that point, the homeowner still has the right to say no. But he also has the option to cut the police some slack and voluntarily say yes. At that point it's not a legal decision, it's an ethical one. Sometimes the decent thing is saying yes when you have every right to say no.

Seems to me, Mr. Heft, by allowing himself to be identified by name, has made himself a potential target of violence by those who might consider him to be a traitor. I hope in the long run I'm wrong.

Not without a warrant.

It also paralysed a major US city to catch a 19 yo kid who wasn't really trying that hard to stay out of sight, never mind leave town. Proving that with 20 kids, you could shut down the entire country. False clearing a whole area isn't really progress, but it's in house arrest for all the people who live there. As a lawyer I would hope you could appreciate that this isn't China or a member of the USSR empire. Even in the US, curfews of adults are sometimes (albeit very rarely) a legitimate exercise of police powers. They must be justified by highly exigent circumstances, and they must be limited to the absolute minimum necessary scope and duration. (For example, in the aftermath of some natural disasters like hurricanes, dusk-to-dawn curfews are sometimes imposed for a couple of days to prevent looting.) Anyhow, if any of those elements is somehow lacking - e.g., insufficient exigency, or undue scope or duration, then Yes, it could amount to unconstitutional house arrest. It has to be analyzed very much on a case-by-case basis.

You guys who are saying that don't know that; it's completely speculative. It also cleared a whole area so that any movement would be noticed and not caught-up & potentially camouflaged in all the routine traffic & activity. It probably kept the perp pinned down. It kept other civvies & their vehicles off the street so the perp couldn't commit another carjacking. It kept civvies off the street so that if there was another firefight there'd be less chance of civvies being hit by stray fire or taken hostage. All this tactical Monday morning quarterbacking I'm hearing from non-experts is for the birds.

I dislike their message but I don't hate them because they speak it. I am against any sort of government imposed limits on their speech rights. Eh, you're nailed. They have free speech rights; the govt shouldn't limit them; they're still assholes. Some douche lawyer in Toronto, who puts out a lot of anti-govt tweets, apparently tweeted "Officer Down" celebrating Officer Collier's murder. Utterly vile and abhorrent. It's protected under Canada's free speech laws. But he's still a fucking asshole.

For every lawyer knowing the right thing to do, there's another lawyer giving exactly the opposite opinion. I disagree.

I think the competing arguments are: > The suicides still would have died, just via other means. Look at Japan, etc... > But having a gun available makes it easy to kill yourself quickly, painlessly and at a moment's impulse, so that probably adds to the overall number of completed suicides.

OMG, what did the Jaws ever do to you? nothing - I swim with them frequently. But I am not "People." My genius is wasted on you.

Screw that. I work hard enough for this place.