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Oh really? You've been there, you've seen it? Who witnessed it?? Several eyewitnesses did. Seriously, if you know that little about the case, why the hell are you even commenting on it? How about you, little Mikey? Oh wait - what do you know what others don't??? That others don't? Probably not that much, since we're limited to what the attorneys and news organs report. Compared to what *you* know? Evidently quite a lot. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

And going by your posts, you were there to hear Zimmerman tell Martin "time to die". Best watch your glass house if you're going to throw stones, bill. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

Oh really? You've been there, you've seen it? Who witnessed it?? Several eyewitnesses did. Seriously, if you know that little about the case, why the hell are you even commenting on it? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

It's cute how they truly believe this is the other way around, Andy. Good illustration of how one's frame of reference distorts reality a bit. It's cute how you truly believe this is the other way around, Kelp. Good illustration of how one's frame of reference distorts reality a bit. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

Well, he wasn't a model student, that much is rather clear. Is it? And that means what, again? It means that when he's sitting on your chest and slamming the back of your head into a concrete sidewalk, it's probably not a prelude to inviting you over for some Girl Scout cookies. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

No need to "re-quote" your post 16, since my reply was to post 14. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

Um - in case you missed it, I didn't say you were advocating any sort of restrictions. And I provided a link to where you could keep an eagle eye on a gun to make sure it didn't cause any problems. Sorry, I typed as slow as I could. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

Phrasing! Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

Watch this page and make sure to let us know when it jumps off the table and rampages through the town, will you? Damn uppity guns causing problems... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

You're absolutely right - It doesn't mean what you think it means. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

Nope, didn't say that. Fantasy world? Why, yes...yes you do. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

So you're the 'non-average Joe'? Mad skillz? Even if I am not, I have no intentions of walking around town with a gun. Why not? Why is it ok to protect yourself within your home but not in public? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

So you're the 'non-average Joe'? Mad skillz? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

Which, of course, is why you said 'biology (or math)' upthread. Oh, wait - you didn't. You REALLY should learn some set theory. It is part of math, of course, but more advanced than fractions. Biology (or bill's imaginary evolution class) != mathematics. QED You don't even understand your own position. From the Illinois graduation requirements: "3 years of mathematics, one of which must be Algebra 1 and one of which must include geometry content; 2 years of science;" Feel free to let them know they're mistaken. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

Which, of course, is why you said 'biology (or math)' upthread. Oh, wait - you didn't. You REALLY should learn some set theory. It is part of math, of course, but more advanced than fractions. Biology (or bill's imaginary evolution class) != mathematics. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

Which, of course, is why you said 'biology (or math)' upthread. Oh, wait - you didn't. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

The point under discussion was your claim of evolution being a requirement for graduation, bill...not math. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

Thanks for once again proving mine. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

That would speak against your statement above of it being a requirement for gradation then, wouldn't it? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

Said 'desired political spin' being the mention of an unlicensed weapon? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

It doesn't really matter what you would expect, but statistics do matter and show that the gun violence in the US of A is much, much higher than anywhere else in the Western World. I'm not against private ownership of guns, but the average American gun laws are just moronic. Not that I care, there's enough Americans so we can afford to loose some of you to the epic fail AKA the right to bear arms for absolutely everyone. European views of American gun laws are moronic. It's a *criminal* issue, not the tool that is used. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

No license needed for long guns/shotguns. Try again. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

What schools teach evolution as entirely separate class from science/biology? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

Well said. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

"Misguided" is the key word there. Obviously, the defense lawyer is trying to present different interpretations to the intent. Ahhhhh....interpretation, my friend. Interpretation. I find it hard to believe that any defense attorney worth a damn would intentionally throw up some mindless, off-the-wall BS to a court. Some DO have some integrity. Maybe just not that one, eh? Agreed. Now we dispute whether or not a crime was actually being committed. In order for SYG to apply you have to assume it wasn't. Ahhhhh....interpretation, my friend. Interpretation. Two things, - SYG doesn't include inside the home? - It would eliminate the question of what "other' means and would be a more direct statement if it were excluded. There is already no duty to retreat within the home - SYG expands that to any other place you have a legal right to be. Can you converse with me without the sarcastic commentary? No, not obtuse.The interpretation of what "reasonable" means varies from person to person, LEO to LEO, jury to jury and judge to judge...regardless of what other courts have decided. It's a fact of life, not a legal one-size-fits-all. You can see that in our discussions here. Was GZ 'reasonable' in his actions? Yes, no, maybe...it's all over the map. Ahhhhh....interpretation, my friend. Interpretation. I wasn't being sarcastic. The 'reasonable man' concept is widely used in law. Per uslegal.com: "Reasonable man is a term commonly used in tort and criminal law. The Laws of England place great weight on the Reasonable Man. This may be due to the fact that it is not possible to specify exactly what ought to be done in all circumstances, and therefore it is phrased in terms of what a reasonable man would in the circumstances do. This standard is used to judge the conduct of an ordinary person only. Usually persons with greater than average skills, or with special duties to society, are held to a higher standard of care. For example, a physician who aids a person in distress is held to a higher standard of care than is an ordinary person. " What do you want - a specific list of injuries that a victim can check off in the course of getting their head pounded in? "Broken nose" - check. "Broken jaw" - check. "Broken neck" - fuck, can't move my arms anymore to check that one off. Let's not go off the deep end, Mike. Let's look at it. If you take out "great", you're left with "bodily harm" Sure, now WTF does THAT mean with respect to SYG. It means that ANY damage done or threatened is a viable excuse to apply SYG. I don't think we want to say that so we have to include some qualifier, eh?. So what does "great" mean" Yes, we could all agree that death would be great harm. What about that Broken nose, Broken jaw, Broken neck you mentioned. Where do you draw the line between what is great harm and what is not? I'm sure that OUR interpretation sitting at our keyboards is going to be different that the interpretation given by the guy that's "getting his head pounded in". Ahhhhh....interpretation, my friend. Interpretation. According to uslegal.com, it's defined as: "Serious bodily injury or harm is the serious physical harm caused to the human body. It usually refers to those injuries that create a substantial risk of death or that cause serious, permanent disfigurement or prolonged loss or impairment of the function of any body part or organ. The term “serious bodily injury” is interchangeably used with serious bodily harm; grievous bodily harm; great bodily injury." Seems reasonable to me. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706