ChasingBlueSky

what? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Who was sucker enough to get an Adjustable Rate Mortgage, see that teaser rate, get hypnotized by it, and then think that they would never get dicked by the bank and have the rate jacked way higher after the initial teaser period?! Talk about your moronic wishful thinking! These are people, it appears to me, who allowed themselves, against all normal thought processess that should go on, that they would forever keep that wonderfully low introductory rate, and that the banks would never feel the desire to increase the rate to make themselves more money. Clearly everyone was an economics major in college. Fact: there are people that finance, loans, etc just don't make that much sense to. These subprime/ARM dealers were very much like a used car salesman. Many were suckered and conned into it. See: Credit Cards and debt consolidation companies. But go ahead and judge everyone who got an ARM as moronic. It must be nice to be that high up on the evolutionary chart to make sweeping accusations like that. /boggle _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Here's a thought-- McCain plans to pull classic Senate Kabuki, and vote against the bill once it's clear it will pass. You get Dem fingerprints and Bush's approval on a bailout bill, and McCain takes a "principled" stand against... something. Whatever. It doesn't really matter. He'll have weeks to talk about the kind of bill he would have passed, and to tear apart the real bill, which is bound to be a little nasty no matter what. He pivots against both Bush and Congress, and gets to grandstand a bit about handing taxpayer money to fat cats or whatever. If things keep going south, he gets to pin the blame somewhere else. "If only they had listened to me, my friends..." The debate stuff still looks silly, but if there is a bill that's going to pass, is there a downside for him to this approach? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Maine and Nebraska can split their votes but it has never been done. Then there is this http://www.ncsl.org/programs/legismgt/elect/EC_bills_2007-2008.htm Other changes mentioned on that source include 2 states moving to a proportional system, several states moving to a district system (??) and Indiana moving to make electoral college votes binding (removing one of the loopholes in the college) _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

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Oh look...it was so urgent to cancel yesterday that McCain wasn't in DC last night for the late night session. The deal was approved just as McCain was landing in DC. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

They were asking for this money before the current bailout began FYI. Also, Congress gave $25B to automakers today as well to help them out. Now, remind me again why United Airlines couldn't get a $1B loan after 9/11? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

And to appear on CBS yesterday and attack Obama after his announcement...and to stay in NYC to go to the Clinton Global Initiative and speak there as well. Meanwhile the $700B deal was just approved just as he was landing in Wash DC. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

So backing one financial fuckup is better than the other? Alot of the people that got fucked were under ARMs _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Somehow I think this will prompt McCain to show up: _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

This bit of leaked news just in: _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

If you check your statements and timelines, both parties in the house and the senate were stating yesterday just prior to McCains announcement that they were working hard but had reached no concensus. Schumer had stated that it was going to take more time. Several republican congressmen were building steam saying that they did not like what was being discussed. Within 16 hours of McCains announcement Reid had reversed himself, Franks had pontificated, Bush had invited, Obama had refused then conceded to return to Washington, Pelosi had annonced that a bill would be on the floor tomorrow, and everyone was saying that McCain's decision will not effect the outcome. Anyone that suggests he has had no impact may want to restructure their argument. If you check your timeline, it was only Drudge and Fox that was reporting any real impasse mostly off of leaks from Paulson and Bernanke. Meanwhile everyone else reported that negotiations were still ongoing and they were not going to just pass it sight-unseen (hint:they learned their lessons from the Patriot Act). One of the biggest stumbling blocks was that Bernanke wanted the arbitrary $700B all upfront, a good portion of congress wanted to give some to stop the flooding then have additional investigation. You see, that $700B number isn't based on any evidence that much is needed. What's really happened is the GOP has given in to this and $150B will be given up front and then the review process will begin again. This is according to the AP/NYT, etc. Also, the Congress worked overnight (The House ordered Pizza and the Senate ordered in Thai) to rewrite the bailout plan. Meanwhile McCain sat in NYC. So ya, his little bit of grandstanding has done nothing. And Bush was already going to speak last night to push for more urgency on it before McCain all of a sudden realized the economy wasn't sound. Bottom line: McCain and the GOP saw their numbers slipping and that they were getting less face time on the media. Plus they knew that McCain had not prepared for the debate and they needed to find a way to stall the VP one as well. It was a very crude and very transparent move to anyone that cares to read the timelines. Oh ya, my timeline is backed up by sources from the AP, NYT, and WSJ. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/ Have at it yourself and let us know the numbers _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Indeed, lets look: And, McCain did speak at the CGI this morning at the same time both sides of Congress announced that they may have the deal complete by lunch, long before McCain's plane lands in DC. But the Republican's are trying to stall it until after the Obama/McCain meeting at 3pm at the White House to make it look like he had some impact on it. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

And here is the real reason why: Update: CNN reports McCain wants the debate moved to Oct. 2 if there’s no bailout deal by Friday. The vice presidential debate scheduled for that date would be rescheduled. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

He'll take a firm stand on the issue, and vote "present". Pretty big statement considering that McCain is sitting at 64% missed votes in this congress. Do you remember when Bush went after Kerry for missing votes and how all the GOP sheep bashed him over that? Double Standard much? Speaking of double standards, McCain doesn't want golden parachutes for the Wallstreet idiots yet he has former CEO's on his staff that have gotten them. Of course he is getting paid for not doing his job right now as well. Source: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/ In other news, this was on Drudge: And yes, today's move was nothing but grandstanding. I'm certain it will fail. Here are 5 good reasons on why it's bullshit: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/mccain-wants-a-time-out_n_128991.html _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Here is something cool to think about: I live in Chicago, I live near Midway Airport. Quite a few of those shootings are nearby to me. I've even had trouble with a house on my street and the cops had to arrest three at the house for violence issues. My friend's parents live right in the middle of a changing neighborhood among a lot of those shootings. Newsflash: Neither household owns any guns. Neither household has had an issue. ZOMG! IMPOSSIBLE YOU SAY?! No, when you know the facts. What's being left out of John's post is how all those shootings are happening, where they are happening and the story behind them. Most of them are gang on gang related shootings and the only "innocent" people that have been shot were caught in the crossfire. The bottom line here is that nothing has changed in Chicago and your overall safety has not gone down. In fact I would say the city is about as safe as it's ever been if as long as you are not in a gang. The gang violence is certainly out of hand and it's having a greater impact outside of just the shootings that needs to be taken care of. I assure you that the addition or subtraction of guns into my neighborhood would do nothing to change the current situation. You can argue against me and then I'll compare my 35 years living of living here and then ask how you know better than me what this area has gone through. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Now raise your hand if you are surprised that she isn't allowed to talk to the media. Now do the same if you are surprised that McCain has canceled 3 interviews now because they wanted to talk about Palin during it. Same thing again now that Palin is "going back to Alaska for 2 weeks and won't be available for interviews." Of course we know she will be going to ground after that to prepare for the debates. So basically no Palin outside of Hollywood scripted speeches for the next month. It's almost like they have things they don't want to be confronted about that could make them look bad. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Are you really serious or is this just a bad troll? I'm sure they are more concerned about getting the money owed to them from three years ago that still hasn't come in for everyone. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

How did you feel about the Twin City police arresting a group of 20 somethings and reporters this past week? They were doing nothing and sitting inside a house. The reporters arrested followed police violence versus peaceful protesters that were arrested with a backdrop to lies. I didn't see FoxNews cover that story. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Oh, why did you have to invoke the wrath of the gun gods of the forums? How dare you even insinuate anything negative to finely crafted metal! http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/2006/governor/story/8372383p-8266781c.html Well, we have all seen how well her abstinence platform has worked at home, I can see how she could have an impact on the nation. But then again we never ask our leaders to follow the rules they set down for the common man do we? Also, this is Obama on the whole baby drama: Obama on the baby drama: At a press availability in Monroe, Mich., Barack Obama said: "Back off these kinds of stories." "I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits," Obama said. "And people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be a topic of our politics." On charges that his campaign has stoked the story via liberal blogs: "I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us," he said. "Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I thought there was somebody in my campaign who was involved in something like that, they would be fired." _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

I wish I could be as superior and unfailing as those judging an entire population off of misinformation. Life must be so amazing to be that great to be able to judge others in such a way. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Newsflash: People were still on the coast when the storm hit and only 1 death so far. There are far more than 1.9 million in that area. The difference this time? NO LEVEE BREAK. Oh, btw, did you notice Fox News talking endlessly about the 9th Ward and kept talking about how it hasn't recovered yet? They talk about how they want to help people return after this time, what about last time? What about fixing the 9th Ward WHICH IS ABOVE SEA LEVEL but remained flooded for weeks. What about the people in the 9th ward that left for both hurricanes and still have nothing but a heap to come back to? Oh, and why is there a heap there? That's right, say it with me...L E V E E. Interesting enough MSNBC was driving around the city where Gustav landed and the damage wasn't that bad. Why? They only had the wind and debris to deal with, not 20 feet of water. It amazes me that people that lived in a hurricane zone can't distinguish the difference between the two things. Instead they believe what the cable news networks tell them and think that it was them not leaving the coast that caused the 1000+ deaths. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

It's good to see her preaching abstinence works at home. Clearly that platform is her strong point. Maybe if she choose to teach about contraception she wouldn't be forcing her daughter into a marriage just so the conservatives stay happy. Also, it looks like he didn't vet Palin and it was a maverick rash move to pick her because of the power play with Rove: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sidney-blumenthal/why-palin-mccain-v-rove_b_122841.html _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

You don't get it. Around the time or Ronald Regan, the GOP began a campaign to vilify the word "liberal" so it became an insult. Now all these years later, you have people on the right equating it to evil! It's good to see the sheep can be led off the cliff still. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....