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http://gun-deals.com/ammo or more specifically for you: http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=.40+S%26W http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=.223 -- Rob

which is exactly why I don't have the skull buckle. and I never said I'd not get a hand laid on me. -- Rob

yup... that's the one. I was guessing at the weight. it felt like half a lb. didn't dig for specs. still... 4 5/8oz of steel makes a considerable weapon when moving fast. -- Rob

with you 100%. unarmed combat skills are very important. Up until now we were discussing improvised weapons, but thread drift happens (hell, this is like the 3rd or 4th drift in this thread alone) -- Rob

I considered mentioning rolled up magazines, but while I've seen those put to use, I've not use them. How about an 18" nylon strap with an 8oz steel weight on the end? How's that sound? Stick your hand in the loop on one end, hold on to the strap and you have an extra 12-14" of reach with a nice weight on the end. Google "wilderness instructor belt" -- Rob

I made no such statement. The initial statement was "We still allow far more effective weapons on planes than box cutters." from which you seem to have derived that guns were being talked about. That's where I made my above leap. -- Rob

still not seeing in what you quoted where it was said that a gun was needed to defend against a box cutter. If you think that the only weapon that is "more effective" than a box cutter is a firearm of some sort, than you need some more training. I know some people who are more effective bare-handed than that box cutter might be. I've seen them disarm (airsoft) pistols (holstered) from trainers at 7yd initial range. So open your mind to different weapons and tactics. -- Rob

Not as easy as you might think. I've trained with it. I'm pretty accurate with it. I'm confident that the first strike would stun the target to the point that the second and third would land and make the target simpler to disarm and disable. -- Rob

Hey, come on, they hired a speed reader--he can just read it aloud before the vote. No need... PRESENT! -- Rob

ok... enough with the penis waving.... the point was that if someone couldn't use what was at hand (legally) on an aircraft to defend against a box cutter or your training knives, that they probably wouldn't be much good with a gun. You take the dummy knife, put red ink on the edge, I'll take my belt + buckle, and we'll see how much red ink gets on me before you hit the deck from the repeated buckle blows to the head. -- Rob

I'm only 30min into it, but I haven't seen her with an open mind yet. I don't disagree that she has a lot ouf courage and character. But from her first comments in OH, before she even met the folks she was staying with, she was very set in her ideas. Maybe something will happen in the last 12min. edit to add: ok... she opened up in the last 12min. much respect. -- Rob

yes, but consumption based taxes are even better. -- Rob

In the specific case of class-3 weapons, that layer of decision is made. Local Law Enforcement has to sign off on the form. -- Rob

so with respect to gun control (topic of this thread), what did you mean then? You want a federal requirement for a gun license before you can own one? Or if we're protecting against idiots, perhaps an IQ test? (oh, and in most states, "brandishing" is already a crime.) -- Rob

gunz iz dangerous. outlaw them!! (that is what you're getting to isn't it Bill? That's your point right?) -- Rob

why does it have to be legislation? Doesn't common sense say "don't point a gun (loaded or unloaded) at anything you're not willing to kill or destroy?" Why does anyone need a law to say that? -- Rob

Did you pay tax on the income? Papers, please. I sold them each in a year where I had no 1099 income and sold them each for $500 in separate years. That's below the $600 threshold where I'd have to report that income. So no, I didn't pay taxes on it. Nor was I required to pay taxes or report that income. -- Rob

You like that attachment Bill. It sure is a pretty graph showing correlation between CO2 levels and global average temperature. (and I don't see how it pertains to your post, but it sure is pretty) Correlation does not equal causality. Nobody has shown me proof that global warming (oops... they're calling it climate change now that the temp has leveled off) is definitely caused by human activities. The science behind the climate change debate was centered around bad computer models for a while. Then it shifted to CO2 causing the temp to rise. Then it shifted to the temp rise causing CO2 to be released from the oceans, thus causing a vicious cycle. (the tipping point discussions ensued) but when it was shown that historically temps lead CO2 concentrations, the song became "but we weren't here then, now WE're causing this." To me, that's not science. -- Rob

the one I referred to when I typed is provided by the TABC to (to quote the TABC) "Establishments licensed to sell alcoholic beverages for off-premise consumption or establishments licensed to sell for on-premises consumption whose alcohol sales are 50% or less of total gross receipts" perhaps I wasn't clear exactly which sign I was referring to. yes. that's what I said. either through one of the posted signs, verbal notification from someone acting as an officer of the property owner or manager, or through specific written notice (meaning a letter) from the same owner/manager. no, the laws haven't changed with that regard So because the TABC requires the local bar to post a 51% sign, don't spend money there? I don't frequent 30.06 establishments, but 51% is out of their control. -- Rob

http://theboxotruth.com/docs/bot22.htm penetration testing with a 20-ga http://theboxotruth.com/docs/theboxotruth.htm a variety of penetration tests. several involve shotguns and various loads. Be careful. you can waste a whole afternoon there. -- Rob

those are the signs that keep a CHL holder from carrying. I was referring to the other sign (for non 51% establishments) Anyplace with a license granted by the TABC specifically must post either the 51% sign, or the other (not 30.06) sign. if they aren't a 51% establishment, they must post the other sign, and the 30.06 sign both if they don't want CHL holders carrying in their establishment. http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/faq/general.asp see question # 10 -- Rob

same in TX. Anyplace that sells alcohol is required to post one of two signs. Both provided by the TABC (TX alcoholic bev. commission). Either the 51% sign (has a LARGE "51%" on it with wording prohibiting concealed carry) or the other one that simply says something along the lines of "unlicensed carry of a weapon on these premises is prohibited". -- Rob

varies state to state. in TX, if you shoot someone while they are in process of comitting a crime, you can not be brought up on civil charges. (the guy can't sue you if he lives, the family can't sue you if he dies) The grand jury will determine if you committed a crime or not, and sec 9 here pretty clearly states the exceptions for when use of force (deadly and otherwise) is allowed. I agree with you wrt the warning load, but that's personal preference. -- Rob

I love it when people place sole blame for this situation on anyone. for fucks sake, we spent more than we had for many years, borrowed, flipped houses, cooked books, and made it all look better on paper. Now it's biting all of us in the ass. There's plenty of blame to spread around. -- Rob

that's reality TV waiting to happen. I'm for it. Can't be much worse than the crap that's on already. -- Rob