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Your statement is stupid because US pilots don't intentionally drop bombs on civilians. It is stupid not to make any sort of distinction between intentionally killing innocents, and unintentionally killing innocents. You don't seem to note any such distinction, and I think that's an ignorant position. Clear enough? exactly! Some people here seem to have a problem distinguishing between purposely killing innocent people and innocent people accidentally dying while trying to get the bad guys. That is what separates us from the terrorists! Yes, perhaps both would technically be found guilty in a court of law but the terrorists would be found guilty of first degree murder (planning a murder and following through with it) while we would be convicted of involuntary manslaughter. ONE IS WORSE THAN THE OTHER. That cannot be disputed.

Unlike you I am generalizing and not bringing this down to a personal level.

If you view her as a threat to your personal well being then be my guest.

Your wife is Arabic and her entire family is from the middle east. Presumably she has relatives over there, and you advocate "unleashing holy hell on these people" -- people who might be part of your family? Can't you see the hypocrisy in your words? You are claiming that this entire region of the world is "sadistic" and "blinded by their views" while blindly calling for sadistic measures to be taken against all of them. We have proven that we cannot systematically do away with the people who pose the biggest threat. Not only that, as i said in a previous post..that part of the world is breeding hate at an alarming rate. Yes, the innocence that would be lost by taking drastic measures would be devestating. But if it will make the world a safer place for future generations and send a message to all the people who believe in getting their message across by proactively murdering innocent people then i believe it needs to be done.

Your wife is Arabic and her entire family is from the middle east. Presumably she has relatives over there, and you advocate "unleashing holy hell on these people" -- people who might be part of your family? Can't you see the hypocrisy in your words? You are claiming that this entire region of the world is "sadistic" and "blinded by their views" while blindly calling for sadistic measures to be taken against all of them. Yep, she is Arabic and yes I do advocate unleashing holy hell on the middle east. She would be the first person to back me up and agree with me.

If we were to walk away from the middle east right now and throw down our weapons the world would not need to worry about the US proactively targeting innocent civilians or committing cowardous acts of murder such as suicide bombings, etc.... That is why we need to unleash holy hell on these people. They cannot be trusted, they are a threat to the entire world. They are sadistic fuckers who are blinded by their bullshit view of religion.

Unfortunately, i haven´t been in Toronto. However i have been in New york, lived for a short while in London, Edinburgh, and currently live in Madrid. I assure you that no matter how much inmigration you get from other countries if you don´t actually do something to mingle with them, you will not learn a bit from their culture. So that a country receives people from all sort of nacionalities doesn´t make automatically the natives culturally diverse. That is what i meant. Well guess what? I do mingle with them. My wife is Arabic. Her entire family is from the Middle east. I am more involved with that culture then you are, trust me with that. I have heard first hand stories about how fucked up that part of the world is. Stories from family members who live there and from family members that have visited recently. You have pigeon holed americans as the ones who want to change that part of the world. You say we want to push our way of life on them. There are just as many people in the middle eastern countrys and people of those nationalities living in other countrys that agree shit needs to change for the better in that part of the world.

Why is it then the majority of Iraqi civilians greeted our troops with open arms? Why is it the only opposition that we originally came up against was the iraqi military? Why is it the Iraqis were seen celebrating the downfall of their govt in their streets? Sorry, but we have lost many lives for the sole purpose of saving iraqi lives. We stepped up to save a country that was being destroyed by a dictator. A nice thank you would be appreciated But instead, our troops have to worry about whether or not that civilian walking down the street is going to shoot them the second they turn their backs. I still vote for unleashing holy hell on all those fuckers.

Are you being serious? When was the last time you came to the US? When was the last time you walked the streets of DC or NYC or any other big US city for that matter? You really have no idea what you are talking about.

reply]*** I'ts like Americans and Canadians. The fucking same thing. Both pastey white, both like guns too much, both fat as fuck, and both have no fucking idea when it comes to cultures and peoples outside their national borders. Racial stereotypes - don't they just bring that black and white world crisply in to focus? Excuse me? How can you say us Americans have no idea about cultures and people outside of our national borders??? The US is a hell of a lot more culturally diverse than any country in this world! I probably come into contact with more nationalities just walking down the street in one day then you will in your entire life.

Totally disagree. When we drop a bomb on whatever, it is generally either in retaliation or to go after armys or people that are known threats to our well being. How were the people in the world trade center any type of threat to Bin Laden? Why didnt Bin Laden crash the planes into an army base? or a military outpost or whatever? Why the fuck did he have to go after such a large target populated by civilians? You know why? Because he is nothing more than a coward who preys on those unable to defend themselves. So, with that said, we are different than terrorists. We do not purposely target innocent civilians with the hopes of taking thousands of them out in one shot.

"There" or "their" messes? Important to know.. oops..THEIR.

Guess what. They made their own countrys worn torn. We are there cleaning up THERE messes.

That part of the world is breeding hatred at an alarming rate. Have you seen the pictures of the children wearing fake dynamite around their waists saying that they cannot wait to die in the name of jihad? They are blinded by what they like to consider religion. Someone who appears innocent today has the potential to grow into a martar for what they are being taught to believe in. If this crap isnt dealt with swiftly and promptly then our children and their children will be living in a world overrun by maniacal murderous religious zealots.

Tell me, are you more disgusted by the murder of these people, or is it the manner in which they were murdered? How can the most important thing here be the method by which they were murdered? Surely what is worse is that they died at all? And if people can muster this much outrage about just ten deaths, why is there not a proportional out-pouring of emotion for ten thousand deaths? See it looks from some angles that the coallition, despite the Washington spin that this is all some kind of humanitarian mission, doesn't really value Iraqi lives very highly. I mean 10,000 body bags worth of collateral damage is pretty fucking careless by anyones standards. So, in light of the whole bunch of *big* shit thats still going on, it's somewhat hypocritical to get so up in arms about comparitively small retaliations like this. IMHO. Sorry, have to disagree with you once again. I do believe the executions are worse than the "collateral damage". Keep in mind part of that "collateral damage" also includes US soldiers. It is a fact of war that innocent people are going to die. There is a BIG difference between an innocent person dying because they were caught in the crossfire or because a shell exploded to close to them and the executions of people kidnapped off the street for the sole purpose of being murdered. Big Big difference. We along with the people that have been murdered are there to help these people. If 10,000 have died they should consider themselves lucky. If i had my way, that number would be in the millions. Sorry to be sadistic, but fuck all of them at this point. If they want to play dirty then we should too. Nuke em.

That's some twisted logic. I believe what he is saying is that the innocent civilians in Iraq are just as innocent as the people who died on 9/11. No, go back and read all his posts. That is not what he is saying. You will see that he believes that the crimes we commited against iraqi prisoners are equal to the crimes the executioners have commited.

No we didn;t. Does it make the relatives of the dead happier that we didn't? I doubt it. Compared to the killing, the putting it on video is totally fucking irrelivant to the families of whoever got killed. Why is that so impossible to comprehend? Would you really be so much more upset if the murder of your mom was shown on TV than if she was just murdered quietly without any media coverage whatsoever? Me, I'd be devastated that my mom was dead. I can't imagine myself thinking "Well at least she was murdered by some American soldier. It could have been Soooooo much worse - she might have been decapitated and it put on video. How fucking lucky am I that she was only blown to bits in the name of freeing all the other Iraqis that haven't yet been killed in the process of freeing all the 'other' Iraqis." Why dont you just come out and say what you are trying to say. From what I am reading, you believe we are equally as guilty as the people executing these civilians?

Exactly how do we see the world becoming a safer place by doing it with allies? What could we possibly do any different then we have been doing? This shit will continue to happen until a new approach is taken. All we are doing is stirring the pot at this point. I am not some sicko out to see world annihilation. If there is another solution please tell me? Or shall we just sit around until these sick fuckers figure out how to build a bomb and blow it up in our country? We need to start being proactive instead of reactive. I think another 9/11 is inevitable unless we unleash all fucking hell on these bastards.

Like you said, all people grieve the same. No matter what their country of origin is. I am quite sure our soldiers who took part in the killing of a prisoner will be dealt with accordingly. Did we broadcast the killing of a prisoner to the world? Did we post it to the internet so that their family could actually see their family member being butchered? No matter how you slice it these people are sadistic fuckers that need to be wiped off the face of this planet. If that means taking innocent people with them then i could care less at this point. I am sure the world mourned all the innocent japanese people that died because of Trumans actions. I am sure the world will also mourn the innocent people that would die today if the same action was taken, but if we really want to make the world a safer place (like bush claims he is doing) then we need to quit fucking around and just do it.

If you believe that then you have some growing up to do. When a relative of yours dies, it doesn't really matter that their death had the backing of some crack-pot Islamic group, or the backing of the United-fucking-States. They may be cloth wearing sand-monkeys, but their pain at the loss of a loved one is at least as bad as the pain felt by the most worthless American when their even more worthless offspring eats dust. They may not be American, or white, or think about stuff in quite the same way you do, but they still feel the raw animal searing agony that all of us feel when we lose a relative. All 10,000+ of them. Why dont you reread my post, when did i ever say that their loss of a loved one means any less than ours?? I never once said that...and...You really dont think there is a difference between a casualty of war and a civilian that is purposely executed???

Ha ha ha!!! Like you guys, who lets remind everyone, have killed more than 10,000 Iraqis, are O-fucking-K because at least when you did it you weren't wearing masks. And you were behind missile launchers, or in really big sneaky aeroplanes. I never cease to be amazed at the different justifications you identify between your treatment of your enemy and your enemy's treatment of it's enemy. "Ok, so we may have abused prisoners at Abu Grade, but at least we weren't wearing turbans whilst we did it". Pray tell: Is it better to kill 10 people whilst wearing masks, or is it better to kill 10,000 people whilst wearing the uniform of the US military? One other thing, the civilians executed in those videos should have been so lucky to only have had to deal with naked pictures being taken of them and public humiliation. Plus, whatever abuse did take place, our country is bringing those guilty up on charges. What the fuck has the countrys govt of those that are guilty of these executions done to bring them to justice? Absolutely nothing

Ha ha ha!!! Like you guys, who lets remind everyone, have killed more than 10,000 Iraqis, are O-fucking-K because at least when you did it you weren't wearing masks. And you were behind missile launchers, or in really big sneaky aeroplanes. I never cease to be amazed at the different justifications you identify between your treatment of your enemy and your enemy's treatment of it's enemy. "Ok, so we may have abused prisoners at Abu Grade, but at least we weren't wearing turbans whilst we did it". Pray tell: Is it better to kill 10 people whilst wearing masks, or is it better to kill 10,000 people whilst wearing the uniform of the US military? What a load of shit! Please show me one case of a US soldier purposely MURDERING an innocent person. There is a big difference between casualties of war and the execution of civilians.

Something to consider...you take the billion expecting to have 10 years to enjoy it...death from excess would be a very high probability...i dont think i would last longer than 6 mo - 1 year with a billion dollars at my disposal

Question is out of those 25 million how many support the actions of the 200? I bet you would come to find that it is a surprisingly high number. Just because someone doesnt pull the trigger it doesnt mean they arent guilty.

AMEN TO THAT!