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yeah yeah, so they all tell me. you got bp problems? i got grey hair problems...probably related to all that bottling i do. oh well! LM - hey, whatever makes it easier. besides you have the only man you *need* in your life already. i believe he calls you "mom" he's the 1%, btw ;) Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

TRUE! ;) Have a good one... Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

"The sufferings that fate inflicts on us should be borne with patience, what enemies inflict with manly courage." - Thucydides manly courage, imo = not sharing! bottle it up, and stow that f***er away. all ahead, full steam. Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

so that's why you made the supportive post in the "friends with ex's" poll...ah man good luck with that, i know you'll need it (and a big damn hammer, to hit yourself in head & groin repeatedly) LM - lose 80%? I think you're closer to losing 99% (myself included, of course), j/k Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

Join the club my friend, the lines over there , and it forms to the left. The funny looking lady is selling the doobies, and the other guy has the beer. They'll be along shortly to take your order. Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

lol, how about..."I think men and women are different like that. Guys think they can have a back up for getting laid and girls think they can have a back up for a husband..." ruh-oh...stoney's goin in the dog house now... and actually, i've known plenty of females that kept the string attached for *getting laid* so, IMO, that's def a 2-way street. perhaps i am confused though, another poster put it rather simply: "there is a diff b/w being friends and being 'on good terms'. if the switch is off permanently, it's not really a "switch" because switches, by definition go off *and* on. sounds to me like you're describing a clean break and move along... Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

These kinds of sentiments towards ex's have always baffled me. I don't mean to be argumentative here, but personally, I've always felt that a large number of girls/women stay friends/in touch with/buddies with their ex's because they want to keep that "string" alive and attached. They feel safer knowing that their former SO's/lover's still think about them, or want to talk with them. They're looking for safety and security, in case all else fails. Just MHO (and it's based on my personal experiences and those of my good friends and family). Personally, I've had both - good splits with friendly relations, and bad splits with no/evil relations. Each time, the split and relations afterwards were diff for both parties. I'm still into her, she's not. She's still into me, I'm not...whatever, you get the point. All I'm saying is one of the primary reasons (here's the .02) someone is good friends with most of (or all) ex's is because of the safety/security factor. Ask yourself, honestly, the one's you stay in touch with - do you ever wonder if you could/would get back together? Ever find yourself wondering if it will/can it cross "the line"? (rhetorical, no need answering) As I look at my own history, this is VERY true. She stayed good friends with me to have another shot, or I stayed good friends with her for years because I couldn't bear losing her - I wanted another shot badly. Funny thing is, I've actually got a bad split with no/evil relations that turned into a rather civil friendship years later - specifically because we never did any of the BS I'm talking about (pretending to be friends, calling to say hello, bla bla bla). Her and I had a great conversation about this topic not too long ago, and we both agreed, in examining our histories, that more often than not we stay in contact or close with our ex's because there is something "more" lurking beneath the surface. YMMV. Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

Hey Tom, You can try Para-Gear: http://www.para-gear.com/default.asp or Square 1: http://www.square1.com/ also Unfeathered: http://www.unfeathered.com/ Aerostore's good as well: http://www.aerostore.com/ like most sports...skydiving gear is big biz. Hey - I'm going to be out in Vail for a few days Feb 19-Feb 22...How's the snow?? I'm a season pass holder at Mammoth here in CA, and haven't been to Vail in almost 6-7 yrs....I can't wait to see all the new acreage (I hear Big Sky Bowl is cool) Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

emphasis mine...and i totally agree...which is why i really have no problem with the lawsuit. teach the child a valuable lesson - people are held accountable for their actions, both positive and negative. in this instance the parents could easily highlight the fact the lawsuit is a way to bring the issue in front of an unbiased 3rd party to examine adequate remedies. just don't forget to leave out the lesson that teaches the kid that "the law" costs money, and schools are poor. therein, of course, lies the negative. if i was the school board, i'd be falling all over myself trying to settle. then i'd spend some time reviewing the rules (found here http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060209/NEWS/60208002/1016/NEWS, look at points 14-16) and figuring out a way to change the appeal process to actually allow for a timely appeal (imho, their rules are far too constricting on appeals, especially since the tournament has money/scholarship/accolades attached to it) but, and here's the honesty in me: teach the kid the REAL life lesson...it sucks out in the real world, you are subject to the idiocy of others, and many things that you wish were in your control are not. life is hard, unfair, and basically a series of dissapointments and successes, one right after the other.

LOL! So, all of the "she needs a dose of STFU" folks, you still on the bandwagon? from the article: "We were trying to be respectful by not interrupting," Wood said. "Sara started crying because she knew that she had the word right. Her teacher was saying, "Hey, this (judges' decision) is not right." Cindy is saying, "Hey this is not right." We rushed down to check a dictionary and came right back to let them know, and they still would not change it." ... "The analogy that I would give, in the NFL, if the coach is going to throw a challenge flag, they have got to do it before the next play begins," Mulvenon said. "Once you go beyond that point, you can't go back." so here's a question then, using their analogy (school district/board/wuteva)...the nfl coaches have "upstairs offices" people reviewing tape and plays in a blow-by-blow fashion. they are typically the ones advising the coach on what the correct call would be...who has that role for the spelling bee, on behalf of the parents? seems like they went to verify, as quickly as possible, that the word was spelled correctly, and came back to protest. seems rather timely to me...you can't expect them to react as quickly as an nfl coach to abide by the rules, if they don't have the same resources...

because, in this day and age, information is power. those who can control or manipulate the information use the flow of information, and the content itself, to further their own agenda's. when i was a kid, i'd read a book and believe everything that was written. when i got older, i started to learn about bias. so i started to read up on my authors, and learn about my sources. i would then read, analyze, and take into account any additional information i had learned about the information source *before* reaching any conclusions. i would suggest the american people do the same, under any president.

hmmm...blinding flash of the obvious? muslims are people, like you or i, flesh and blood. imo, they are not innately better, or worse, than any other group of people. they're *just* people. Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

/start threadjack for the boys: http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=3828635434782670283 interesting site by the way...anyone can make the tests and post for others to take... /end threadjack

her pants, they come off. that's the point. Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

if the mood struck me right...i'd sue the PANTS off her!!! /what? oh, that's not the question you asked, was it...

ah damn. i'd say you are correct... Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

aw... yes, some of us do tend to forget their "normalness", especially when we see the everday reality that their enormous amounts of money buy them significant power and influence, should they so desire. we also tend to forget their normalness when we see them act in such abnormal ways...repeatedly... lets not put legal aside, because we're talking about whether or not she should go to jail (that was the title of the thread, right?). but if you'd like to talk about human decency, i think some people would like to argue that her desire to "stay out of the limelight/avoid photos" does not mean she can disregard the safety of her child, and therefore not act with "human decency" toward her own son. seems to me the decent thing would have been to suck it up, and spend 2min to strap the kid in (isn't that the real way of showing you would sacrifice yourself for your child?). furthermore, assuming the facts of the article to be true (which is a hell of an assumption to make, i admit) i don't see any mention of the photographers doing anything contrary to our 'standards' of "human decency". everyday, everywhere, people have jobs with responsibilities that may upset others. they still have to do their job. and everyday we understand this and let the person do their job, within the limits of applicable law, because it's their *job*. if my job is to take pictures of celebrities, i'm probably not doing a great job by asking politely for an autographed 8x10. hounded by the media in this fashion, i'd honestly feel overwhelmed. i wouldn't feel like i was in immediate danger, nor would i feel like my child was in danger. i'm inside the safety of my vehicle. my bodyguard is on his way back, i'm plenty safe. she over-reacted, imho, to a "tense" situation with her 'celebrity instinct' - slam on the gas and get the hell out of dodge city. i say if she doesn't like the attention, find a job/position that doesn't have "attention whore" written all over it (i.e. female pop singer). let time pass, and let another female pop singer take your place. there's plenty of young starlets out there...you can't have your cake and eat it too. if you want to be a 'household name' you better expect to have your picture taken, repeatedly. people can be such...realists...

And with that excuse you enable the media to act however they want? I haven't heard anything from Spears or her media camp in some time. She has become more of a private citizen. Yet, since she was very popular a couple years ago, the media feels it is their jurisdiction to let us know that she went to get coffee?? No, I enable the media to take photographs of celebrities in public. That's what I enable. Are you suggesting that the photographers broke the law by taking pictures of her while she was in public, safely inside her vehicle? Just because you don't put out an album in a year or two doesn't mean you automatically go back to joe-average-citizen status. If that was the case, Michael Jackson and a whole host of other 'personalities' (perhaps this is a better term?) should get to work, for fear of losing their red carpet invites. Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

an interesting article about the incident: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3566785a5620,00.html some useful snippets: A spokesman for the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said a deputy paid a visit to Spears' home in Malibu to obtain "contact information" at the request of the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services. ... A source close to Spears told Reuters that the incident occurred after the singer had driven to a Starbucks shop with her son strapped into his car seat in the back of her SUV. ... She moved the baby to her lap after stopping at the coffee shop to let her bodyguard go inside, then became unnerved as photographers swarmed around the vehicle as she waited for him to return, the source said. When the bodyguard got back in the car, Spears quickly drove off with her son still in her lap. ok, here's a question: you're 'safely' inside your vehicle while the 'danger' is clearly outside the vehicle. what's the need to react so quickly, and not spend the extra 2 minutes to strap the kid in? (or in this case, have the bodyguard strap the kid in) you're still inside the vehicle, the danger is still outside...in my mind, you could sit in the vehicle for hours and still be 'safe'. seems to me like she did what most stars do: they see papparazzi and run, instinctively. it doesn't involve assessing the level of danger, and it doesn't involve assessing the consequences of your actions. it's simply a knee-jerk reflex of a star because (for some reason) they're sick and tired of being photographed. imho, if they're sick and tired of being photographed, and it's that much of a problem, perhaps they should re-think their career choice. it comes with the territory, sweetheart. and it doesn't excuse your actions. now, all that being said, i still vote for darwin to solve this problem - not LA DCFS i'm sure they have much better things to do...

you mean darwin shouldn't get his 2-for-1?? i'm speechless, he'll never make the February quota with that attitude. all sorts of things are done at the "expense" of children's lives. if nothing happened to Jackson, after playing "lets see how long i can hold this baby w/o dropping it", i doubt anything will happen to the colossal waste of space known as britney spears. LA or CA will probably use this as ammo to pass another law/reg/ord against photographers/papparazzi. we must protect our national treasures!! Does whisky count as beer? - Homer There's no justice like angry mob justice. - Skinner Be careful. There's a limited future in low pulls - JohnMitchell

Almost all women have a variety of experience that is larger than men because they have more opportunities. They can give away more in one night than you'll get all month. Plus, with no committment, the prospects are better looking than usual. Most women only tell men as much as their sensitive egos can handle. For some reason, men like to believe that their new-found interest has lived in a cave until she met him. I would tend to agree with you. So if this is the case, what's the solution? Keep the past a secret, away from the sensitive ego, and hope it doesn't get uncovered later? Let the past out, and get stuck in a situation like this one? Somewhere in between? All I'm suggesting is trying to find something else unique to do. A "first" for the both of them, so to speak. Hoping that the "first" will lead to a "second" and that the guy's desire to have a 3-some will diminish over time.

what's the problem? darwin needs to make his quota...

agreed, 100%. if for no other reason than i know she does not share my strong feelings about responsibility in finances. it is the right thing to do for me, and for her. i'll go about that in a way that makes that clear, and doesn't make her feel bad. well, i'll try at least. update for anyone who's interested (read: bored at work): came home quite calm to an empty house with a note and a receipt. after her class, she deposited cash to cover her portion of rent and the fee that was auto-deducted from my checking account. i contacted the landlady (vm again): funds are in and are available. so sorry. please call me back, i'd like to make sure we cover any additional fees or fines right away. 2 things i've learned: 1 - i have an extremely short fuse when it comes to money (whether that's good/bad/indiff is up for debate) 2 - dz.com is a rather decent place to solicit advice from other "real" people (i mean, folks of all shapes/sizes/types. people that are real and live in the real world) so thanks for walkin in my shoes for an afternoon. i'll try not to let that happen again...blues!

wow, and i thought i had problems today with a roomate bouncing a rent check. i yield...completely. my .02 though: of course he wants his turn. i'm betting he's thinking that you've "one-upped" him and now he's trying to get that back...which, of course, isn't fair to you. but in his mind, it may not be "fair" that you've done something sexually that he hasn't. unfortuantely, i'm thinking if you decline, even if he lets up politely (as he damn well should), what lies beneath the surface will be the same: he'll be jealous of your prior experience. maybe you can find some other common ground? maybe get "creative" in another way? if my guess is correct, and its about being one-upped or you having an experience he hasn't, than a good way to go about squashing this would be to have a "unique" experience together. i don't know if that's a sex club, sex on the roof of your house, dress up, toys, watching porn, bondage, etc. my guess would be, as long as it's unique, and it's something he wants/looking forward too, he'll forget about the 3some and start concentrating on other "unique" ideas that don't include a 3rd person in the bedroom... good luck, i'm sorry i don't have any real meaningful or enlightening advice/information to provide, only my .02.

I thought I saw that Goleta was your "old stomping grounds" in the "postal lady goes postal" thread...so hello fellow Gaucho (you attend UCSB?) Here's question for you though: the service charge - is there a formal limit, or is it a limit based on reason? Can I charge $50 for service fee? Can I bill her out an hour of my time, like I do my clients here at work? I don't see much in the notice about how the service charge is calculated. I confess, I haven't read the code yet, but I will. Knowing the CA housing reg's, I'm betting my answer lies in there...somewhere... I've decided to give her a bit more leash than you suggest though. If she puts cash in tonight, then I will 1 - provide her copies of all my service charges and demand she pay them in cash in 30 days 2 - hold her liable for any and all service charges we receive from the landlady or other 3rd party as a result of this BS and demand that she pay those in cash asap, or within the required time limit. 3 - not serve her the formal notice But, if this goes south, and I get more of the "you're being rude" or "it's not my fault it's dad's fault" then out of my briefcase will come this notice and the code section. In the morning I'll move fwd by sending Cert Mail. I really would rather not do any of that (even though it means a jump ticket) simply because I do consider myself a relatively "nice guy". But yes, this is business and it is finances. I guess now that the blood pressure has dropped a bit, I'm willing to be more flexible.