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Oh, I think the whole war and bombing them thing is more of a cause than shutting down traffic. Wendy P. we're bombing India, now? we have to stop Obama's war mongering now! ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

OK - they didn't write anything. Glad that's settled. Now the dust settles. The ONLY thing a law can do is prohibit the marriage. And if that's unconstitutional, the court is duty bound to delete it. Which apparently they did. Laws should not "allow" any rights. That's a ludicrous position to take and you know it and have argued that vehemently on other topics. In this case, then, it sounds like the judges were doing their jobs and people just didn't like the results and are too lazy to change the constitution of the state to make the prohibition 'constitutional'. The only way the people of Iowa can make same sex marriages illegal - is to change the state constitution so that they can pass a law prohibiting it. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Don't do it because it's too hard to do. Dismiss the discussion out of hand because it makes enough sense that people get uncomfortable. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

careful, thinking like that in this forum will get you called nasty names ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

classy of Harry - it's a clear sign that he doesn't respect the fact that people can have opinions other than his. it's also a clear sign of his blatant racism ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

you, obviously, can't understand a hypothetical position ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

yeah, yeah - you want all the benefits and just change the name. I'm saying why have any benefits different than individuals. (oh, that would be hard to approve). so what, clean slate ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Or, just get rid of civil unions completely. It's a nation of individuals, not a nation of some individuals and some couples leave partnering ceremonies out of government altogether and if two people want to establish legal contracts with each other, etc, fine ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I have no idea - that's what's confusing. However, judges don't "word the law" which will "pass in court" they issue opinions - that's why I think marc's statement that they "wrote law" is likely very incorrect ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

striking down the law as unconstitutional should be sufficient to enable same sex couples to marry without interference - nothing else is needed, the law is deleted at that point - if the state interferes with the marriage, then the state is breaking law and the executive branch has to protect the right to the marriage nowhere is new verbage needed if the legislature wants to try again, they need to do it lawfully again - did they actually write law explicitly allowing same sex marriage? or did they just instruct the state to not restrict it? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Yup, that twisted, power hungry, misinterpretation of the commerce clause has really screwed things up in terms of individual liberties and state's rights ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

thanks, I'm confuse too I think Marc is saying: 1 - the SC struck down a law that specifically prohibits gay marriage and: 2 - they amended a different law to specifically state gay marriage is "allowed" In my mind - #2 is not necessary after #1 happened - in fact, not necessary at all - law doesn't grant rights So if he's upset about #1, I disagree with him (striking down an unconstitutional law is perfectly acceptable) If he's upset about #2, I agree with him (they should not write law) Frankly, if there is a law on the books that "allows" monogamous, heterosexual marriage, I'd find that totally unnecessary and not in line with how we view rights. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

from what I can tell, it just struck down the unconstitutional portion/restriction - if they did amend for clarification then it shouldn't have been necessary at that point - since, by virtue of eliminating the unconstitutional restriction, the default would have been to NOT block any kind of marriage I'll have to see the words before and after to try and figure out what you are trying to say here because you didn't read what I was saying correctly from what I can tell. Short answer - If the court struck down any restriction that is unconstitutional, then the marriages should not be restricted. If they screwed up administrating that by adding unnecessary verbage, then the marriage still shouldn't be restricted. (note that NOWHERE do I write the word "allow" - I say "don't restrict" our laws can't allow something that's already inherent. In doing so, we get too many laws) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

I think the last guy or two had the same thing happen. So I'm not throwing rocks just yet. A pull back from absolute power is a good thing - less abuse, less arrogance might work to the good (we can hope). Give me a split party government any day. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

you'll need to see the birth certificate I don't think you can tell just from looking ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Well, now he has 2 years to show us he's a consensus builder like he claimed, rather than a bully like he was the last two years just because congress was in his hip pocket. I'm hopeful. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

not true in the case of an unconstitutional determination - if struck down, then the law goes away. The legislature is bound to write a new one, or change the constitution to allow the old law to be re-introduced. "your law is illegal and I'm deleting it" true in the case of a law that is ambiguously defined and needs to be clarified, but isn't unconstitutional - "your law sucks and can be 'interpreted' in many ways - go rework it and we'll interpret as best we can until you fix your crap" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

sure, the 2nd explicitly guarantees the right to bear arms - though not necessary. They 'explicitly' listed a few just to be sure - but that doesn't mean they are granted IMO - The constitution should only speak to restrictions of rights and where it's silent, that just means the right exists by default (we have rights, the government doesn't GIVE anyone rights they already have - it can only restrict) aside - Rush: you're logic on individual rights and application of law is a bit upside down in a couple threads today......(this thread, the Iowa thread) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

agree, nicely stepping out of the stereotype of both parties there I added the blue part, because a pile of feathers can be used to injure someone else when used in an irresponsible way ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

See, I would have thought Jerry Brown and dope smoking would have gone hand in hand........ californians are an interesting species ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

"Colbert announced, “The Republicans will take the House back, so it is all but certain that John Boehner will be the new Speaker, unless out of pure habit, he blocks his own confirmation.”" when he walked up to the map of the US and said "they are voting machine problems in THIIIIIIISSSSS area here.. and here" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

what parts do you disagree with? He says let government stay out of contracts and people's private lives. and that people can speak via choices of patronage or not....even when it may disturb his personal beliefs... I think it's dead on target ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

wow, that was predictable and boring. at least until Jon Stewart and Colbert came on ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

You Nazi -- you're just like Hitler Wendy P. grammatically, you cann't use two dashes like that - as such, I reject yore comments as infantile and worthy of mockery Edit: that is SO worth the emotional experience that I was craving ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

Sounds remarkably like some people here, it does. Both putdowns fayled (HA, I win, 3 words and hit 2 posters) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants