superman0710 0 #1 March 8, 2005 wingsuit flying is one of the disciplines i'd like to undertake as i progress in my skydiving career. but i have some basic questions first 1) what's the average flight time for a wingsuit flight? (also for fun trivia, does anyone know the maximum distance traveled horizontally in a wingsuit?) 2)do you need a special container for the wingsuit? (i don't see any leg straps in the videos) thanks in advance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites The111 1 #2 March 8, 2005 1. Anywhere from 90 seconds to 3:00+ depending on skill, suit, build. Most good flock (group) dives last 90-100 seconds, a good pace that everyone can keep up with. Usually the really long jumps are tiring solos. Again dependent on skill/suit/build, the achievable glide ratio is currently pushing 3:1 AFAIK. That's 6 miles horizontally for a 2 mile freefall, no wind. Add a strong tailwind, and you do the math. I'd guess 8-10 miles is doable for the best, from 13.5k. Further has been done from higher, I'd imagine. I don't know the official record. 2. No special container needed, although mods to container and deployment system are desirable to some. The legstraps and lower half of the harness are inside the suit. See this pic of me wearing my S3. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 2 #3 March 8, 2005 You need a container that has BOC, doesn't have a bungee pilot, a long bridle and no butt bungee (or disconnect it) and has decent pin and riser protection. Most rigs will do. If you want the best (not neccesary but helpful), get a 10 ft bridle and modify the corners of your container so you can pack grommet to bottom. I wouldn't recommend getting the no-legstrap-option though ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KrisFlyZ 0 #4 March 8, 2005 Quote 1) what's the average flight time for a wingsuit flight? (also for fun trivia, does anyone know the maximum distance traveled horizontally in a wingsuit?) 10 miles from 33800' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pendragon 1 #5 March 8, 2005 Quote2. No special container needed, although mods to container and deployment system are desirable to some. The legstraps and lower half of the harness are inside the suit. See this pic of me wearing my S3. So bashful... See you at Z-Hills on Friday/Saturday!-- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot1 0 #6 March 9, 2005 Quotemodify the corners of your container so you can pack grommet to bottom. I think you meant gromment to pin? But you shouldn't neet to modify your container to pack this way. Keepin' it safe! Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 2 #7 March 9, 2005 No the entire bag upside down actually. At least on my Atom there is no way you could pack grommet to pin since the bag is so "flat". I haven't modified mine though since I never had problems. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #8 March 9, 2005 QuoteI haven't modified mine though since I never had problems. Yeah. I'm like that. I've never had a car accident so I don't wear a seatbelt. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 2 #9 March 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteI haven't modified mine though since I never had problems. Yeah. I'm like that. I've never had a car accident so I don't wear a seatbelt. t The problem is, if I cut the corners on my Atom I get a better wingsuit rig. However I get a WORSE freefly rig. I made my choice. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites katiebear21 0 #10 March 9, 2005 I believe in all the preventative measures although I haven't taken all of them myself (I think tonto's seatbelt comment was meant to be sarcastic!). That said, how you pack will most likely depend on your container and d-bag type. I have a Odyssey and a Vector 3, Chuck has a Wings with a special D-bag, and we pack all 3 rigs with grommet to pin. Chuck has the extended bridle, I just haven't put mine on yet. There's also been recent discussion about the burble created by the wing and the higher potential for the hard hackey to actually flop around and tie your kill-line bridle in a knot keeping the pilot chute from catching air and keeping the container closed. I'd go back and read all the threads pertaining to gear and wingsuiting, and ask questions specific to your gear. There's no one way to do anything... Katie Get your PMS glass necklace here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unclecharlie95 3 #11 March 9, 2005 QuoteI haven't modified mine though since I never had problems. Ditto, I jump an atom classic for ws. A lot depends on how you deploy - by that I mean if you deploy from full flight (or with significant forward speed) you SHOULD have a "cornerless" rig, as the resulting deployment angle could cause the bag extraction problems (line twists etc.) If on the other hand you collapse your wings completely prior to deployment and wait a few seconds (therefore dissipating your forward speed) your deployment angle should be that of a normal "skydive", so no need for open corners. Long flights, JBASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #12 March 9, 2005 I agree totally, James. There are a whole lot of people that get away with jumping completely stock rigs with standard bridles with their wingsuit. Corner mods will make you safer in every instance, but if you use a deployment technique comensurate with what type of gear you are jumping you will be fine, at least in "smaller" suits. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gusprovost 0 #13 March 11, 2005 Good call.. I fly an S-Fly Access (the real wing suit, not the funny one with hand grips... Anyway, collapse the wings, bend the knees a bit, count to two, and deploy.. same as a regular belly down deployment. That said, for the more performance oriented flyers who pull lower, cutouts are the way to go. -Gus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites leroydb 0 #14 March 12, 2005 Cutaway?... why do that? just pull a tad higher, its safer, and cheaper... but to each their own QuoteThat said, for the more performance oriented flyers who pull lower, cutouts are the way to go.Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JFK 0 #15 March 12, 2005 QuoteGood call.. I fly an S-Fly Access (the real wing suit, not the funny one with hand grips... -Gus Do you have a picture? Cause the only Acess from FlyYourBody is the one in 2 parts. Then there is the S-Fly which is a regular wingsuit. Jul.JFK #1013 PM Me No Adrenalin.... No Fun! "Minds are like parachutes the Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gusprovost 0 #16 March 12, 2005 Sorry for the wrong info.. guess I had a little bit of drain bamage at the end of a long day.. I meant to say the S-Fly Expert, which is the name of the one piece suit you have seen... which, by the way, really rocks! -Gus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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The111 1 #2 March 8, 2005 1. Anywhere from 90 seconds to 3:00+ depending on skill, suit, build. Most good flock (group) dives last 90-100 seconds, a good pace that everyone can keep up with. Usually the really long jumps are tiring solos. Again dependent on skill/suit/build, the achievable glide ratio is currently pushing 3:1 AFAIK. That's 6 miles horizontally for a 2 mile freefall, no wind. Add a strong tailwind, and you do the math. I'd guess 8-10 miles is doable for the best, from 13.5k. Further has been done from higher, I'd imagine. I don't know the official record. 2. No special container needed, although mods to container and deployment system are desirable to some. The legstraps and lower half of the harness are inside the suit. See this pic of me wearing my S3. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #3 March 8, 2005 You need a container that has BOC, doesn't have a bungee pilot, a long bridle and no butt bungee (or disconnect it) and has decent pin and riser protection. Most rigs will do. If you want the best (not neccesary but helpful), get a 10 ft bridle and modify the corners of your container so you can pack grommet to bottom. I wouldn't recommend getting the no-legstrap-option though ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KrisFlyZ 0 #4 March 8, 2005 Quote 1) what's the average flight time for a wingsuit flight? (also for fun trivia, does anyone know the maximum distance traveled horizontally in a wingsuit?) 10 miles from 33800' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pendragon 1 #5 March 8, 2005 Quote2. No special container needed, although mods to container and deployment system are desirable to some. The legstraps and lower half of the harness are inside the suit. See this pic of me wearing my S3. So bashful... See you at Z-Hills on Friday/Saturday!-- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #6 March 9, 2005 Quotemodify the corners of your container so you can pack grommet to bottom. I think you meant gromment to pin? But you shouldn't neet to modify your container to pack this way. Keepin' it safe! Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #7 March 9, 2005 No the entire bag upside down actually. At least on my Atom there is no way you could pack grommet to pin since the bag is so "flat". I haven't modified mine though since I never had problems. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #8 March 9, 2005 QuoteI haven't modified mine though since I never had problems. Yeah. I'm like that. I've never had a car accident so I don't wear a seatbelt. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #9 March 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteI haven't modified mine though since I never had problems. Yeah. I'm like that. I've never had a car accident so I don't wear a seatbelt. t The problem is, if I cut the corners on my Atom I get a better wingsuit rig. However I get a WORSE freefly rig. I made my choice. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katiebear21 0 #10 March 9, 2005 I believe in all the preventative measures although I haven't taken all of them myself (I think tonto's seatbelt comment was meant to be sarcastic!). That said, how you pack will most likely depend on your container and d-bag type. I have a Odyssey and a Vector 3, Chuck has a Wings with a special D-bag, and we pack all 3 rigs with grommet to pin. Chuck has the extended bridle, I just haven't put mine on yet. There's also been recent discussion about the burble created by the wing and the higher potential for the hard hackey to actually flop around and tie your kill-line bridle in a knot keeping the pilot chute from catching air and keeping the container closed. I'd go back and read all the threads pertaining to gear and wingsuiting, and ask questions specific to your gear. There's no one way to do anything... Katie Get your PMS glass necklace here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unclecharlie95 3 #11 March 9, 2005 QuoteI haven't modified mine though since I never had problems. Ditto, I jump an atom classic for ws. A lot depends on how you deploy - by that I mean if you deploy from full flight (or with significant forward speed) you SHOULD have a "cornerless" rig, as the resulting deployment angle could cause the bag extraction problems (line twists etc.) If on the other hand you collapse your wings completely prior to deployment and wait a few seconds (therefore dissipating your forward speed) your deployment angle should be that of a normal "skydive", so no need for open corners. Long flights, JBASEstore.it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #12 March 9, 2005 I agree totally, James. There are a whole lot of people that get away with jumping completely stock rigs with standard bridles with their wingsuit. Corner mods will make you safer in every instance, but if you use a deployment technique comensurate with what type of gear you are jumping you will be fine, at least in "smaller" suits. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gusprovost 0 #13 March 11, 2005 Good call.. I fly an S-Fly Access (the real wing suit, not the funny one with hand grips... Anyway, collapse the wings, bend the knees a bit, count to two, and deploy.. same as a regular belly down deployment. That said, for the more performance oriented flyers who pull lower, cutouts are the way to go. -Gus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #14 March 12, 2005 Cutaway?... why do that? just pull a tad higher, its safer, and cheaper... but to each their own QuoteThat said, for the more performance oriented flyers who pull lower, cutouts are the way to go.Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JFK 0 #15 March 12, 2005 QuoteGood call.. I fly an S-Fly Access (the real wing suit, not the funny one with hand grips... -Gus Do you have a picture? Cause the only Acess from FlyYourBody is the one in 2 parts. Then there is the S-Fly which is a regular wingsuit. Jul.JFK #1013 PM Me No Adrenalin.... No Fun! "Minds are like parachutes the Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gusprovost 0 #16 March 12, 2005 Sorry for the wrong info.. guess I had a little bit of drain bamage at the end of a long day.. I meant to say the S-Fly Expert, which is the name of the one piece suit you have seen... which, by the way, really rocks! -Gus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites