andyr 0 #1 May 26, 2003 Just got my new Wings and as I'm the first (beer!) at the DZ with this containers, I need help with a couple of things; The gromet for the bottom flap on the main packing tray does not line up with the other grommets, is that normal? And, has anyone a photo of the main deployment bag with all the lines stowed? My rigger has fitted all the rubber bands, but there seems to be many other places where they could be fitted. Thanks for the help! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 May 26, 2003 The grommets should NOT be lined up. The d-bag can be setup for stows ontop of the bag or on the side of the bag, set it for one and leave the other rubber bands off.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #3 May 26, 2003 Quote The gromet for the bottom flap on the main packing tray does not line up with the other grommets can you post a pic of it ? i'm no rigger but i can at least compare it to mine. is it normal for the rigger who is supposed to take care of your rig not to know things like that ? oh, and good chooice with the wings, you'll love itO "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andyr 0 #4 May 26, 2003 Thanks! Don't you guys in the US sleep? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andyr 0 #5 May 26, 2003 I'm the first with a Wings on my DZ. The questions were more for interest than anything, The grommets didn't appear like they were EVER going to line up, and I was a little intrigued to find out why there were so many places available for the line stows. Sorry, don't have a picture, but it appears everything is as it should be. I'm hoping the weather stays good today so I can jump it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHixxx 0 #6 May 26, 2003 The d-bag can be setup for stows ontop of the bag or on the side of the bag*** I recommend using the top of the bag stows. They jostle the bag around less giving a better chance for a clean deployment without line twists. -Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masher 1 #7 May 26, 2003 My first response to this was RTFM, so I did. THe manula available on the website doesn't mention anything about the grommets not lining up. Maybe an email to Sunrise is in order, asking them to include this in their manual.-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #8 May 26, 2003 Nope.... No sleep here.... They pay me to stay up and play with computers all night. And I get to talk to people that do not always speak english very well. Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy1 0 #9 May 26, 2003 [I recommend using the top of the bag stows. They jostle the bag around less giving a better chance for a clean deployment without line twists.[ Thats what I'd read about the WIngs d-bag, but I can't quite visualize the lines when they're stowed on the top of the bag. Any chance of a piccy or a crude diagram (of the d-bag!). And yes masher, he, he, I did RTFM, but couldn't find any info. Thanks to all for the help! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy1 0 #10 May 26, 2003 Nope.... No sleep here.... They pay me to stay up and play with computers all night. And I get to talk to people that do not always speak english very well.*** Thats amazing! They pay ME to play with computers all DAY and I sometimes get to talk to people who don't always speak english very well, er, as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kansasskydiver 0 #11 May 26, 2003 Congrats on the wings, I love mine. ok to stow on the top of the bag. Dont have a pic but i'll describe it for you. you have the 4 gramets that are your locking stows. My first 2 are large bands and then the rest are small. We're going to number the graments on the front of the bag let's see if this works 12[---11------10-----]9 8[----7--------6-----]5 [--4----3----2----1] i take my first stow at 2 then 3 then 1 then 4. these are my locking stows. stows 2 and 3 are large bands and the rest are mini. after my locking stows i go from 4 to 6 then 7 to 10 then to 11. don't use the side ones, i can't remember if there is a nother row or not, but if there were then you'd just use the stows about 11 and 10. does this make sense? blue skies, hope this helped chris<--- See look, pink dolphins DO exist! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 May 26, 2003 QuoteMaybe an email to Sunrise is in order, asking them to include this in their manual. Thats how I found out a couple months ago.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nightjumps 1 #13 May 27, 2003 I own several Wings containers. Grommets don't need to match up. I also use the inner band loops AND stow the "D" bag straight up and down in the main pack tray (don't roll it to lines down at the bottom of the pack tray). When it lifts off my back... straight off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerm 0 #14 May 27, 2003 Quote Thanks! Don't you guys in the US sleep? ' no.... sleep... till brooklyn.... Landing without injury is not necessarily evidence that you didn't fuck up... it just means you got away with it this time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy1 0 #15 May 27, 2003 Thanks for all the help. Jumped it for the first time last night! Luverly! First jump with Wings and first time on the other side of the runway/airfield Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BluDvn222 0 #16 May 27, 2003 Really..... It fits in there straight up? Man........ That's Crazy! I guess I'll have to try that some time. "How do you like my groin to your foot style?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SanDiegoRW 0 #17 May 27, 2003 Yeah, in the manual it actually tells you that you can stow the d bag with the lines against the backpad. It does come straight off your back. Not sure if it makes a big difference or not. -Kenny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #18 May 27, 2003 I have a new wings container also. I just use the stows on the top. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nightjumps 1 #19 May 27, 2003 Quote It does come straight off your back. Not sure if it makes a big difference or not. I've noticed a reduction in line twists. But, that could be a self-fullfilling prophecy. I think it, therefore it must be true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SanDiegoRW 0 #20 May 27, 2003 All of this information is for Wings containers! I don't know if some or any of this is recomended for any other type of container so be warned. Okay, when I first bought my Wings and had it put together the rigger put the stow bands on the outside of the D-bag. I also used to place the D-bag traditional style with the stows to the bottom of the container. I just pulled the canopy out of the container and repacked it in the living room. While I was at it I moved the stows to the top of the bag. These are the difference I noted: - Stows are tighter and stay that way due to shorter stows and less pull on them since they are not holding the bag shut. - Seems like the bag will bounce around less when being deployed because the stows are closer to the center of the bag. - A good amount of line left between last stow and links. Not too much not too little. I also put the D-bag face down with the lines against the backpad instead of the BOC. These are the differences I noted: - The container is a little thicker (Distance from backpad to closing pin). And is a little shorter (distance from top of rig to BOC). Depending on what your rig already looks like this could be good or bad. - Sometimes with traditional method of D-bag placement the lines want to stick out the bottom while you are trying to close the flaps, placing D-bag with lines stows facing back pad prevents that since they are not around the BOC. - Seems as if it's in a better position to lift off your back. Keep in mind I have not yet tested this in the air. As was said prior both ways are in the Wings manual so I am not being a "test dummy". As soon as I do get in the air I will post any noted difference during deployment. -Kenny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Austin 0 #21 May 28, 2003 When did Wings start getting the line stows on the top of the d-bag?? I got my Wings like two years ago, and my d-bag just has the four locking stows, then the others are on the side like most other d-bags I've seen. Austin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #22 May 28, 2003 I got my Wings last October, and the line stows are on the top of the d-bag.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #23 May 29, 2003 i'll have to check mine next time i pack, mine is a little over a year old and as far as i remember its the same as yours (stows on the sides only) O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Austin 0 #24 May 29, 2003 Quotei'll have to check mine next time i pack, mine is a little over a year old and as far as i remember its the same as yours (stows on the sides only) O I went and checked mine out yesterday, and it does actually have stows on the top, I just never noticed them. I may give them a try on Saturday and see if I like those better than the ones on the side. Austin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #25 May 29, 2003 going to the DZ, in less than 8 hours (if i wake up on time...) so i'll check soon too O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites