JayhawkJumper 0 #1 January 25, 2005 Has anyone jumped the new Panasonic DVX100a? Just curious how it does in the air. A few of my friends have them and I've been meaning to jump one and see how it goes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blazetailman 0 #2 January 25, 2005 Jayhawk, do you use the camera at all. I've only seen and held the camera. Wondering how you like it? It is a big camera. a bit bigger than the Sony PD 150/170 and VX 2000 cameras which are a bit big themselves. But manageable to mount. They are really the only 3chip cameras that function well in freefall. Sony's new PDX10 is a smaller 3 chip pro/prosumer camcorder but has a problem with freefall vibration with the 3 senors. A freind and I tested it, including taking it apart trying to solve it to no success. I'll be interested in your findings on the quality of the air footage. Especially to know if it does or does no have the flutter problem. Still waiting to hear if anyone has jumped the new Sony HC1000. ITs a new prosumer 3 chip. I need a new camera and just want to know if it has the same flutter problem as the PDX10 before I buy it. Even with that said I'm looking at the Panasonic line of 3 chip cameras. There are 3 models ranging in price from $600 $1,400 which are small in size good quality cameras. I'm losing my loyalties with sony as they continue to change cables, batteries, buttons from the camera and hide all the functions under som many screens in the touch screen. In addition Panasonics models are top loaders which means once it is mounted on the helmet or tripod you can easily change tapes. Let me know how the camera flies.www.canopyflightcenter.com www.skydivesac.com www.guanofreefly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #3 January 25, 2005 I spoke with Joao Tambor at WFFC as he is jumping a 3 chip camera top mount and is getting some nice footage from it. I can't remember which one right now but it was a fairly new model."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blazetailman 0 #4 January 25, 2005 sony or other. I've seen a JVC Hd which was crap flutter problem, and one other flyer at the nationals with one of the Panasonics. Panasonic makes good cameras. They are probaly a second to sony in the broadcast indusrty.www.canopyflightcenter.com www.skydivesac.com www.guanofreefly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #5 January 25, 2005 Joao was here in November and the only 3 chip he had with him was VX2000......---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
videointhesky 0 #6 January 25, 2005 Can you use the CamEye II LANC remote control on the Panasonic 3Chips Camcorders? If not is there away to use a remote control that will work on the Panasonic like the CamEye II works with the Sony camcorders Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blazetailman 0 #7 January 25, 2005 I'm guessing they will. The "L" or LANC port is a accessory port which is very universal for a number of decks. edit units and zoom controls. I will hope and can just try.www.canopyflightcenter.com www.skydivesac.com www.guanofreefly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
videointhesky 0 #8 January 25, 2005 What Panasonic 3 Chip models are looking at ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pope 0 #9 January 25, 2005 QuoteHas anyone jumped the new Panasonic DVX100a? Just curious how it does in the air. A few of my friends have them and I've been meaning to jump one and see how it goes. I have a number of jumps on AG-DVX100a's, both aircraft and BASE. They are big, but their GREAT cameras. If you shoot anything outside of skydiving for money, buy one. They are a bit bulky, but really not so much more that any VX from sony. The image stabilization feature sucks for skydiving--I rarely use mine at all. 24p is beautiful but you have to be SURE to fly super smoothly and know your light. There are 3 ND settings on the camera as well which I wish all video cameras had. I think another good option for the DVX is shooting skydives at 30p--seems to do well with more movement. Beware--lenses are quite expensive, even for the crappy ones. Century makes a .3 w/a for it that sells for around 500+ (not a crappy lens at all!) sample 24p with Panasonic AG-DVX100a This is shot with an anamorphic lens adapter, and the small file probably won't do it justice, but you can check it out anyhow if you want. all in all, I'd buy another one in a heartbeat. pope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeFe 0 #10 January 25, 2005 QuoteCan you use the CamEye II LANC remote control on the Panasonic 3Chips Camcorders? I can not speak for all Panasonic 3CCD cams (plus European models may be quite different from US), but I personally did not see any of them accepting CamEye. If they do have a LANC port (most of them don't), it takes a different jack. The whole 24P thing really makes any sense if you plan to use footage in a cinema project. As for the general image quiality, DVX looks close to Sony VX/PD cams, but definately not superiour to them. Despite all the bad things coming from Sony recently, I personally believe their new HD line is the way to go... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blazetailman 0 #11 January 26, 2005 I just looked at the spec sheet on it and there is no listing of a LANC port. Well, that's a pretty big bummer.www.canopyflightcenter.com www.skydivesac.com www.guanofreefly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayhawkJumper 0 #12 January 26, 2005 Blaze, I've shot quite a few projects with the DVX. Most recently a music video which was a 3 camera multi cam shoot. We also shot some 16mm and 35mm film of some of the scenes to see how they will mix. The 24p footage looks a lot closer to film that 30i does, but its not completely "film like" yet. The closest thing is probably the Viper Filmstream or Panavision Genesis (but they're $$$$$ and HD). Triax, that was some nice footage of the tandem. I have noticed some flutter in pans and moves in 24a mode, but going to 30p in the air reduces flutter? Is it possible to jump the camera without a wide angle lense or is it really necessary to get decent footage? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pope 0 #13 January 26, 2005 should have been more clear-- that was an anamorphic lens adapter, ~0.75 or so...wide angle lenses are available, but spendy seeing as there is a 72mm filter diameter. I usually shoot jumps with NO lens adapter, and fly at an appropriate distance away from the subject. My experience is that 30p will give you less 'flutter' in higher action moves, ie. jumping. If the subject or the camera is stationary, you're just fine in 24p. I believe that footy was shot in 24p, NOT 24pADV. pope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blazetailman 0 #14 January 29, 2005 well I found some more info on the LANC control. I thought it was a universal excesory but it isn't. CONTROL-L: Sony's wired edit control protocol, also called LANC (Local Application Control), which allows two way communication between a camcorder or VCR and an edit cotroller. CONTROL-M: Panasonic's wired edit control protocol. Similar to Control-L in func- tion but NOT compatible. A big bummer. This puts my decision on the Panasonis cameras in the con column. I really need the cam eye to knwo if the camera is on. I hate relying on others in the plane.www.canopyflightcenter.com www.skydivesac.com www.guanofreefly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blazetailman 0 #15 January 29, 2005 The Orpahnage, a post production house in SF and LA has some really nice software to make video look more like film. "Magic Bullet" for Premiere Pro, After Effects and Final Cut. Good stuff. The boys there are former ILM so they realy know there stuff. http://www.theorphanage.com/ also, goto recentn projects and read the write up on "Falling" a film that was shot at skydance, in davis where the filmaker threw a camera mounted in a 3 foot rocket like housing out at 30,000ft. 3 mins of footage pointing at the ground all the way to impact. He did well at Sundance. This incredibly simple film actually captures our worst nightmare of skydiving. Going in. http://www.rolfgibbs.comwww.canopyflightcenter.com www.skydivesac.com www.guanofreefly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #16 January 31, 2005 Quote also, goto recentn projects and read the write up on "Falling" a film that was shot at skydance, in davis where the filmaker threw a camera mounted in a 3 foot rocket like housing out at 30,000ft. 3 mins of footage pointing at the ground all the way to impact. He did well at Sundance. Also available at IFILM.COM And yes, it's very cool. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
