WickedWingsuits 0 #1 January 28, 2012 I cannot find in writing anywhere the definition of a "coaching jump" as it is referenced in the IRM Coach Rating Course Renewal in Section 1.G.1.b which states: "1.G.1.b having taught or assisted with the general portion of at least one first-jump course and made at least 15 coaching jumps in the last 12 months." If anyone knows where it is clarified please point me to it. Meanwhile I am interested to know the general opinion or other thoughts on the subject.Summer Rental special, 5 weeks for the price of 4! That is $160 a month. Try before You Buy with Wicked Wingsuits - WingsuitRental.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #2 January 29, 2012 Quote I cannot find in writing anywhere the definition of a "coaching jump" as it is referenced in the IRM Coach Rating Course Renewal in Section 1.G.1.b which states: "1.G.1.b having taught or assisted with the general portion of at least one first-jump course and made at least 15 coaching jumps in the last 12 months." If anyone knows where it is clarified please point me to it. Meanwhile I am interested to know the general opinion or other thoughts on the subject. Hi I'm confused by your profile you only have 200 jumps including ONE wingsult jump and your some kind of a wingsuit coach.One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WickedWingsuits 0 #3 January 29, 2012 Quote Quote I cannot find in writing anywhere the definition of a "coaching jump" as it is referenced in the IRM Coach Rating Course Renewal in Section 1.G.1.b which states: "1.G.1.b having taught or assisted with the general portion of at least one first-jump course and made at least 15 coaching jumps in the last 12 months." If anyone knows where it is clarified please point me to it. Meanwhile I am interested to know the general opinion or other thoughts on the subject. Hi I'm confused by your profile you only have 200 jumps including ONE wingsult jump and your some kind of a wingsuit coach. I have adjusted my profile. Maybe you could do the same?Summer Rental special, 5 weeks for the price of 4! That is $160 a month. Try before You Buy with Wicked Wingsuits - WingsuitRental.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #4 January 29, 2012 It's really no different than the requirements for other ratings. TI's must make a minimum number of Tandems, AFF instructors must make a minimum of AFF jumps. The common factor is that they are jumps which exercise the privileges of the rating. 15 coach jumps, i.e. unlicensed jumpers working towards the A license, or another way to look at it are jumps done under the apprenticeship of an instructor.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WickedWingsuits 0 #5 January 29, 2012 QuoteIt's really no different than the requirements for other ratings. TI's must make a minimum number of Tandems, AFF instructors must make a minimum of AFF jumps. The common factor is that they are jumps which exercise the privileges of the rating. 15 coach jumps, i.e. unlicensed jumpers working towards the A license, or another way to look at it are jumps done under the apprenticeship of an instructor. Ah, you are saying that a coached jump is under the apprenticeship of an instructor so therefore must apply only to unlicensed skydiver, right? If that is the case I would ask what rating an experienced skydiver should ask for if seeking additonal education in canopy eduction, simply experience?Summer Rental special, 5 weeks for the price of 4! That is $160 a month. Try before You Buy with Wicked Wingsuits - WingsuitRental.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,073 #6 January 29, 2012 Quote I cannot find in writing anywhere the definition of a "coaching jump" as it is referenced in the IRM Coach Rating Course Renewal in Section 1.G.1.b which states: "1.G.1.b having taught or assisted with the general portion of at least one first-jump course and made at least 15 coaching jumps in the last 12 months." If anyone knows where it is clarified please point me to it. Meanwhile I am interested to know the general opinion or other thoughts on the subject. Generally.... any Coach jump with/while a student is in Cat G or H.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #7 January 29, 2012 Quote Quote Quote I cannot find in writing anywhere the definition of a "coaching jump" as it is referenced in the IRM Coach Rating Course Renewal in Section 1.G.1.b which states: "1.G.1.b having taught or assisted with the general portion of at least one first-jump course and made at least 15 coaching jumps in the last 12 months." If anyone knows where it is clarified please point me to it. Meanwhile I am interested to know the general opinion or other thoughts on the subject. Hi I'm confused by your profile you only have 200 jumps including ONE wingsult jump and your some kind of a wingsuit coach. I have adjusted my profile. Maybe you could do the same? Thanks for reminding me. But to bad so sad i don't want to. Don't like it go whine to USPA, the mods or your ....One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ufk22 32 #8 January 29, 2012 This, like a lot of things in skydiving, is a bit vague. It is a judgement call by your S&TA or I-E. Personally, I would include any "teaching" jumps with any unlicensed skydiver and "possibly" recurency jumps (if they included thorough E-P reviews and training, a dive plan to test skills, and a proper debrief, not just a 2 minute brief and a jump). Free fly or wingsuit training for a licensed skydiver, no. Canopy training, no, especially when USPA says that coaches can no longer teach advanced canopy skills to students. But that's just me. Whoever needs to sign off on your rating has the right to use (with justification) their own standard.This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #9 January 29, 2012 Quote I cannot find in writing anywhere the definition of a "coaching jump" as it is referenced in the IRM Coach Rating Course Renewal in Section 1.G.1.b which states: "1.G.1.b having taught or assisted with the general portion of at least one first-jump course and made at least 15 coaching jumps in the last 12 months." If anyone knows where it is clarified please point me to it. Meanwhile I am interested to know the general opinion or other thoughts on the subject. Again, look at the ISP and the SIM, the answer to your repeated question is there, since you wont listen to S&TA's or I/E's. You can even look at the 4 page A License card. The Letter "C" is a USPA Coach. Matt S&TA, C-E, SL-I/E, T-I/E, AFF-IAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #10 January 30, 2012 I asked the same thing: Quote -----Original Message----- From: Ski Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 6:33 PM To: Jim Crouch Subject: Re: Military Jumps Jim, I have another one. The 2009-2010 IRM states that a coach must make at least 15 coaching jumps within the last 12 months. What is the definition of 'coaching' jump? Must it be with an unlicensed student, or can it be on any jump with a jumper where we were coaching them on something? It is kind of vague. His reply: Quote The jumps do not have to be done with actual students, it can also be a jump done with a licensed skydiver. Thanks, Jim Doesn't get any more 'horses mouth' than that!"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #11 January 30, 2012 1st, I fail to understand your question(s). 2nd. It's pretty clear that the requirements to remain current are the jumps that require the privilege of the rating. I mean wingsuit jumps don't count towards maintaining an AFF rating, do they?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #12 January 30, 2012 Quote1st, I fail to understand your question(s). How is it confusing? Quote 2nd. It's pretty clear that the requirements to remain current are the jumps that require the privilege of the rating. I mean wingsuit jumps don't count towards maintaining an AFF rating, do they? No, but a coach rating is COACHING people, not harness hold or tandem instructing. Jim Crouch even said that the coaching jumps need not be with unlicensed students. Do you not believe that wingsuit coaching is defined as coaching? I think its VERY relevant and probably a great idea to have a coach rating for teaching wingsuiting. Proper gear checks, teaching techniques, debriefing methods..."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #13 January 30, 2012 QuoteI asked the same thing: Quote -----Original Message----- From: Ski Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 6:33 PM To: Jim Crouch Subject: Re: Military Jumps Jim, I have another one. The 2009-2010 IRM states that a coach must make at least 15 coaching jumps within the last 12 months. What is the definition of 'coaching' jump? Must it be with an unlicensed student, or can it be on any jump with a jumper where we were coaching them on something? It is kind of vague. His reply: Quote The jumps do not have to be done with actual students, it can also be a jump done with a licensed skydiver. Thanks, Jim Doesn't get any more 'horses mouth' than that! Spelled out as Recurrency, in writing. Jim has acknowledged that when I asked him for clarification too. Wing Suit Coaching is not the same as FJC Coaching, yes, there are some safety similarities, but it is still working with licensed, current jumpers moving to a discipline, much like VRW or RW. There are "Coaches" for that, they do not all have USPA Coach Ratings, they do not need them, they also do not try to count them. (Honestly most probably don't ask too, the local S&TA just signs off) MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #14 January 30, 2012 As much as I like him and what he does for this sport, I'll disagree with Jim on this one point.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missbrz 0 #15 January 30, 2012 If you don't mind my asking, why? I can understand the argument against canopy, freefly or wingsuit coaching. But why not with licensed skydivers? If I do a jump with a freshly A licensed skydiver to work on his swoop and dock technique, does that not count as coaching just because he happened to be able to get a couple in before? Two swoop and docks does not make one proficient at it. He could still need a lot of work on them and I would basically be doing a Cat H jump with him just post A license. I consider those part of my Coach jump renewal requirements. I may not be signing anything & I may not get paid, but I sure did some coaching during those types of jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deisel 37 #16 January 30, 2012 +1 Coaching is coaching regardless of license or discipline. The USPA coach course evaluates individuals in belly RW skills. This is for the purpose of coaching in the belly RW discipline. But an experienced (insert discipline) jumper that holds a coach rating should absolutely get credit for teaching in any discipline they are qualified to teach. Yes, USPA is vague but the point is that coaches become better instructors through teaching. Students learn more from better instructors and we are all safer and more proficient in the end.The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #17 January 30, 2012 I think the answer has to be ' only those jumps for which a coach rating is required'. For an example of why, if you've had your coach rating for 5 years, but only done Wingsuit jumps - then you're entirely unqualified to teach the common parts of a First Jump Course, or teach a category G or H jump without retraining and supervision. The purpose of being a "current" instructor is to maintain the skills required to use the rating. If you're not teaching real students, you're not being staying current in the required skills. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #18 January 30, 2012 On which point? Jim's point any one can count as coached? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #19 February 3, 2012 QuoteThe jumps do not have to be done with actual students, it can also be a jump done with a licensed skydiver. So if I had a current coach rating but needed three more "coach" jumps for my renewal, I could go do three jumps with my s/o, say I was "coaching" him and I'd be good to go. Sweet! Could I have done the same thing to renew my AFF rating? If not, why not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #20 February 3, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe jumps do not have to be done with actual students, it can also be a jump done with a licensed skydiver. So if I had a current coach rating but needed three more "coach" jumps for my renewal, I could go do three jumps with my s/o, say I was "coaching" him and I'd be good to go. Sweet! Could I have done the same thing to renew my AFF rating? If not, why not? Do whatever the fuck you want. I had the question, I asked USPA, that's the answer I got. Don't like it? Bring it up with someone that gives a shit, because today, I don't."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #21 February 3, 2012 Quote Quote Quote The jumps do not have to be done with actual students, it can also be a jump done with a licensed skydiver. So if I had a current coach rating but needed three more "coach" jumps for my renewal, I could go do three jumps with my s/o, say I was "coaching" him and I'd be good to go. Sweet! Could I have done the same thing to renew my AFF rating? If not, why not? Do whatever the fuck you want. I had the question, I asked USPA, that's the answer I got. Don't like it? Bring it up with someone that gives a shit, because today, I don't. Testy, testy. One of them thar spring loaded Pilot chutes get ya? The answer for the AFF question is: AFF instruction or AFF recurrency with a E or I/E. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
