GQ_jumper 4 #1 March 5, 2005 So we've seen the new Airspeed lineup at the valentines meet, they put in a pretty solid fight against the knights in the 4-way, and coming out of a solid year in 8-way nobody could touch them there. Looking at their new training plan focusing equal amounts of time on 4 and 8 way how does everyone think they will do overall this year? And who thinks this could be the year that they finally meet one of Airspeed's original goals, taking the 4 and 8 way at world's? Personally I think they are going to be strong this year but they could focus a little more of their time on 4-way seeing as how they are so far ahead of everyone else on 8-way already. And since they have two new members in the lineup as much as I'd like to seem them take it all I think this year is going to be storng, but next year is going to the the big one for them.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skykittykat 0 #2 March 6, 2005 Personally I think they are going to be strong this year but they could focus a little more of their time on 4-way seeing as how they are so far ahead of everyone else on 8-way already. *** Never underestimate the Russians or the French. The Italian 8 way are training hard as well. I think that they have a great chance at walking away with 4-way and 8-way at Nationals this year. My 2 cents worth for the battle for 4-way at Nationals will be between the 2 Airspeed teams, the new Majik team and the Golden Knights. The tunnel, when it is built, will be a huge asset. Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albatross 0 #3 March 6, 2005 Hell done forget the Other Deland Team Fuse?? I mean that is one hell of a line-up.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #4 March 6, 2005 Never underestimate the Russians or the French. The Italian 8 way are training hard as well.Quote I'm not trust me, i've already been hearing some good things about Russia this year. And I heard we may get a look at Sinapsi in the states before the world meet. I think that they have a great chance at walking away with 4-way and 8-way at Nationals this year. Quote I'd really like to see airspeed step it back up in the 4-way events like they have in previous years. My 2 cents worth for the battle for 4-way at Nationals will be between the 2 Airspeed teams, the new Majik team and the Golden Knights. *** Don't forget there are a few new teams really starting to come into the mix this year that look really strong, I think the new competition from these teams is going to push the 4 way in the US to a higher level keeping us ahead in the international competitions.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #5 March 7, 2005 QuoteMy 2 cents worth for the battle for 4-way at Nationals will be between the 2 Airspeed teams, the new Majik team and the Golden Knights. Don't forget about Fastrax and DeLand Fire. It should be a good year for 4-way Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skykittykat 0 #6 March 7, 2005 QuoteAnd I heard we may get a look at Sinapsi in the states before the world meet. They are training in Deland. I really hope that they make the podium at the World meet next year. The Italian 8-way does not include Sinapsi, unless they form a different 8-way team for their Nationals. Sooo, to all the 4-way nuts out there, do you think that to be in the top 3 at Nationals a 22+ point average will be in order? Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vibeke 0 #7 March 7, 2005 With the new rules (no busts) I think its safe to assume an avg higher than 22 for all 3 teams on the podium, yes. It is going to be an exiting year... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #8 March 7, 2005 Fastrax and Fire are the teams i was talking about when i mentioned the new teams coming into the mix that will push everyone to a higher level. I think we will see some great ability from them, but the reason i'm a fan of Airspeed is because they are built from close friends for the love of the team, as much as i respect the ability on fasttrax and fire sometimes i wonder if the deck was stacked based on ability, which isn't what it should be about. As important as ability is, the love of flyin with friends shoudl always be number 1. Quote I really hope that they make the podium at the World meet next year. they definitely deserve it, i'd love to see that too. Quote Sooo, to all the 4-way nuts out there, do you think that to be in the top 3 at Nationals a 22+ point average will be in order? tis the year of the 4way!!! records will be shattered this year.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites daveb 1 #9 March 8, 2005 QuoteFastrax and Fire are the teams i was talking about when i mentioned the new teams coming into the mix that will push everyone to a higher level. While I believe both these teams will put up some impressive scores, I disagree they will push everyone to a higher level. The highest level teams push themselves harder than any outside force in a bid to better themselves. This is not saying they don't look at the competition, they will, but the push comes from within. And I know of at least a couple of other open class teams that are not training differently due to a stronger open class (true, these team will not be close to the medal race, but that doesn't mean they're slacking off, nor being pushed to get better due the strength of the field). QuoteI think we will see some great ability from them, but the reason i'm a fan of Airspeed is because they are built from close friends for the love of the team, as much as i respect the ability on fasttrax and fire sometimes i wonder if the deck was stacked based on ability, which isn't what it should be about. As important as ability is, the love of flyin with friends shoudl always be number 1.At the highest levels, it is about winning. Period. What does it take to win? Do that. Airspeed has (IMHO) a better team dynamic than any other, but during their most recent tryouts, they passed over good friends for relative strangers. They did NOT choose "close friends for the love of the team". Of the teams I've been a member, I didn't start out as friends with my teammates - I didn't even know them in most cases - but we became friends through the process. And I wouldn't say that the deck is exactly stacked against Airspeed, either. Both Andy and Brian are superb additions to an already stellar squad. I wouldn't count out John Hoover and crew either: a 20 in mid February is not without merit. I do agree this will be a very interesting competition year; all the more so since it's a short training year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skykittykat 0 #10 March 8, 2005 QuoteWhile I believe both these teams will put up some impressive scores, I disagree they will push everyone to a higher level. I agree and from what I say is NO reflection on the above teams, it all comes down to the following: lThe desire to succeed and the training involved to do so, no matter of the so called "competition". Whomever gets the gold at Nationals has all of the above. Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #11 March 8, 2005 QuoteWith the new rules (no busts) I think its safe to assume an avg higher than 22 for all 3 teams on the podium, yes. It is going to be an exiting year... The best teams don't bust that much. I think you put way too much weight on the change in bust scoring. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vibeke 0 #12 March 8, 2005 They did not bust, because they took great care. Now they will push the speed. Or at least I think they will. Im not saying averages are going to sky-high levels, but they are going to be noticeably higher. That plus there are several teams training hard(!), as far as I have understood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #13 March 8, 2005 We'll just have to see the scores and compare those against the trends. I don't see a big effect relative to the existing top team ramp and the new dive pool. But: star is nicer than Bundy to work with - argue faster; bundy-bundy vs zip/star is faster and less likely to cause any busts; the new opal/opal now is doable any way they like - also faster. I'd almost be inclined to think the new dive pool will have just as big an effect on the top teams. Now less experienced teams that bust alot? you bet the new rules matter! We are fairly clean the last year (compared to before anyway), so I expect to see sloppier but faster teams now as bigger competition than before. We'll just have to do better ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #14 March 11, 2005 QuoteBoth Andy and Brian are superb additions to an already stellar squad. I don't know Brian very well, but Andy is no slacker. He has been on of the people I have looked up to in 4way for a long time and deserves the chance he has now with Airspeed. He is one of the ugys that has jumped at Perris for years along with Pat, Mike and Kai to name a few. I remeer watching them as Team Perris (along with Max) training for the '97 Nationals. They could have been world champions as well. These guys were my first heros in 4 way. It was the first group of really good fliers I had met and thought to myself, "I wan't to do that!!!" During the years I was out of the sport I would watch old video of those guys and my old 4 way team and kept the fires buring. Thanks to Brian Rogers for letting me dub his video's down. They kept me sane for 5 years.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #15 March 16, 2005 As good as Fire and Fastrax are looking this year i don't think they can pull out the kind of scores that the team experience of airspeed, majik and the knight can. I guess we'll find out this weekend though, i'm really lookin forward to the competition results. Bets anyone?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #16 March 16, 2005 Fire has three 20+ average skydivers (including two 2004 World champions) and one 19.9 average skydiver. Fastrax progressed with the same lineup from 13.2 in 2003 to 17.1 in 2004 and their 2005 training plan is extremely intense. Both are professional teams with high goals. What makes you think they cannot pull the scores comparable to Airspeed Majik and GK’s? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #17 March 17, 2005 Your right about Fire they have some incredible talent on that team, but as a team they are still fairly new, which gives teams like airspeed a bit of an advantage IMHO(just remember I'm a diehard Airspeed fan, so my opinion is always going to be biased towards them). Maybe Fire WILL pull out some good scores it would definitely be good to see more teams putting up serious competition at nationals this year.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites joeyjones 0 #18 April 8, 2005 When and how? I agree fire did good...in fact the best, at the shamrock but it was far from pushing the limit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skykittykat 0 #19 April 8, 2005 Quotebut it was far from pushing the limit. Whomever pushes the limit most successfully at Nationals will win the gold, oh, and also, who really is hungry for it... Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites joeyjones 0 #20 April 9, 2005 whoever does the most points in 35 seconds will win the nationals. pushing the limit comes when the averages are in the 23's and 24's Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skykittykat 0 #21 April 10, 2005 Quotepushing the limit comes when the averages are in the 23's and 24's Exactly - this year's Nationals will be VERY exciting and a pleasure to watch. How is the 4-way back flying going? Wish you all the best in that and put up an impressive score at Nationals. Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites joeyjones 0 #22 April 10, 2005 Right now we are averaging 3 randoms only. It is the most fun skydiving I have had in years. I think all of the teams are going to rock this is definitely going to be the most contested nationals ever. More than any I was ever involved in back in black....black magick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #23 April 10, 2005 QuoteRight now we are averaging 3 randoms only. *** And that's still probably more than I could get on my belly!!! you guys rock, keep it upHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #24 April 18, 2005 22.8 and 20.8 at the meet this weekend, that's awesome!!! especially considering that the 20.8 was done with an alternate. It's definitely lookin good for my boys(and girl!!!) this year. Airspeed, you rock!!! keep it upHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #25 April 19, 2005 Quoteespecially considering that the 20.8 was done with an alternate Yeah....Eagle is not by any stretch a slacker."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
GQ_jumper 4 #8 March 7, 2005 Fastrax and Fire are the teams i was talking about when i mentioned the new teams coming into the mix that will push everyone to a higher level. I think we will see some great ability from them, but the reason i'm a fan of Airspeed is because they are built from close friends for the love of the team, as much as i respect the ability on fasttrax and fire sometimes i wonder if the deck was stacked based on ability, which isn't what it should be about. As important as ability is, the love of flyin with friends shoudl always be number 1. Quote I really hope that they make the podium at the World meet next year. they definitely deserve it, i'd love to see that too. Quote Sooo, to all the 4-way nuts out there, do you think that to be in the top 3 at Nationals a 22+ point average will be in order? tis the year of the 4way!!! records will be shattered this year.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daveb 1 #9 March 8, 2005 QuoteFastrax and Fire are the teams i was talking about when i mentioned the new teams coming into the mix that will push everyone to a higher level. While I believe both these teams will put up some impressive scores, I disagree they will push everyone to a higher level. The highest level teams push themselves harder than any outside force in a bid to better themselves. This is not saying they don't look at the competition, they will, but the push comes from within. And I know of at least a couple of other open class teams that are not training differently due to a stronger open class (true, these team will not be close to the medal race, but that doesn't mean they're slacking off, nor being pushed to get better due the strength of the field). QuoteI think we will see some great ability from them, but the reason i'm a fan of Airspeed is because they are built from close friends for the love of the team, as much as i respect the ability on fasttrax and fire sometimes i wonder if the deck was stacked based on ability, which isn't what it should be about. As important as ability is, the love of flyin with friends shoudl always be number 1.At the highest levels, it is about winning. Period. What does it take to win? Do that. Airspeed has (IMHO) a better team dynamic than any other, but during their most recent tryouts, they passed over good friends for relative strangers. They did NOT choose "close friends for the love of the team". Of the teams I've been a member, I didn't start out as friends with my teammates - I didn't even know them in most cases - but we became friends through the process. And I wouldn't say that the deck is exactly stacked against Airspeed, either. Both Andy and Brian are superb additions to an already stellar squad. I wouldn't count out John Hoover and crew either: a 20 in mid February is not without merit. I do agree this will be a very interesting competition year; all the more so since it's a short training year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skykittykat 0 #10 March 8, 2005 QuoteWhile I believe both these teams will put up some impressive scores, I disagree they will push everyone to a higher level. I agree and from what I say is NO reflection on the above teams, it all comes down to the following: lThe desire to succeed and the training involved to do so, no matter of the so called "competition". Whomever gets the gold at Nationals has all of the above. Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #11 March 8, 2005 QuoteWith the new rules (no busts) I think its safe to assume an avg higher than 22 for all 3 teams on the podium, yes. It is going to be an exiting year... The best teams don't bust that much. I think you put way too much weight on the change in bust scoring. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vibeke 0 #12 March 8, 2005 They did not bust, because they took great care. Now they will push the speed. Or at least I think they will. Im not saying averages are going to sky-high levels, but they are going to be noticeably higher. That plus there are several teams training hard(!), as far as I have understood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #13 March 8, 2005 We'll just have to see the scores and compare those against the trends. I don't see a big effect relative to the existing top team ramp and the new dive pool. But: star is nicer than Bundy to work with - argue faster; bundy-bundy vs zip/star is faster and less likely to cause any busts; the new opal/opal now is doable any way they like - also faster. I'd almost be inclined to think the new dive pool will have just as big an effect on the top teams. Now less experienced teams that bust alot? you bet the new rules matter! We are fairly clean the last year (compared to before anyway), so I expect to see sloppier but faster teams now as bigger competition than before. We'll just have to do better ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #14 March 11, 2005 QuoteBoth Andy and Brian are superb additions to an already stellar squad. I don't know Brian very well, but Andy is no slacker. He has been on of the people I have looked up to in 4way for a long time and deserves the chance he has now with Airspeed. He is one of the ugys that has jumped at Perris for years along with Pat, Mike and Kai to name a few. I remeer watching them as Team Perris (along with Max) training for the '97 Nationals. They could have been world champions as well. These guys were my first heros in 4 way. It was the first group of really good fliers I had met and thought to myself, "I wan't to do that!!!" During the years I was out of the sport I would watch old video of those guys and my old 4 way team and kept the fires buring. Thanks to Brian Rogers for letting me dub his video's down. They kept me sane for 5 years.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #15 March 16, 2005 As good as Fire and Fastrax are looking this year i don't think they can pull out the kind of scores that the team experience of airspeed, majik and the knight can. I guess we'll find out this weekend though, i'm really lookin forward to the competition results. Bets anyone?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #16 March 16, 2005 Fire has three 20+ average skydivers (including two 2004 World champions) and one 19.9 average skydiver. Fastrax progressed with the same lineup from 13.2 in 2003 to 17.1 in 2004 and their 2005 training plan is extremely intense. Both are professional teams with high goals. What makes you think they cannot pull the scores comparable to Airspeed Majik and GK’s? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #17 March 17, 2005 Your right about Fire they have some incredible talent on that team, but as a team they are still fairly new, which gives teams like airspeed a bit of an advantage IMHO(just remember I'm a diehard Airspeed fan, so my opinion is always going to be biased towards them). Maybe Fire WILL pull out some good scores it would definitely be good to see more teams putting up serious competition at nationals this year.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeyjones 0 #18 April 8, 2005 When and how? I agree fire did good...in fact the best, at the shamrock but it was far from pushing the limit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skykittykat 0 #19 April 8, 2005 Quotebut it was far from pushing the limit. Whomever pushes the limit most successfully at Nationals will win the gold, oh, and also, who really is hungry for it... Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeyjones 0 #20 April 9, 2005 whoever does the most points in 35 seconds will win the nationals. pushing the limit comes when the averages are in the 23's and 24's Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skykittykat 0 #21 April 10, 2005 Quotepushing the limit comes when the averages are in the 23's and 24's Exactly - this year's Nationals will be VERY exciting and a pleasure to watch. How is the 4-way back flying going? Wish you all the best in that and put up an impressive score at Nationals. Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeyjones 0 #22 April 10, 2005 Right now we are averaging 3 randoms only. It is the most fun skydiving I have had in years. I think all of the teams are going to rock this is definitely going to be the most contested nationals ever. More than any I was ever involved in back in black....black magick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #23 April 10, 2005 QuoteRight now we are averaging 3 randoms only. *** And that's still probably more than I could get on my belly!!! you guys rock, keep it upHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #24 April 18, 2005 22.8 and 20.8 at the meet this weekend, that's awesome!!! especially considering that the 20.8 was done with an alternate. It's definitely lookin good for my boys(and girl!!!) this year. Airspeed, you rock!!! keep it upHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 7 #25 April 19, 2005 Quoteespecially considering that the 20.8 was done with an alternate Yeah....Eagle is not by any stretch a slacker."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
GQ_jumper 4 #24 April 18, 2005 22.8 and 20.8 at the meet this weekend, that's awesome!!! especially considering that the 20.8 was done with an alternate. It's definitely lookin good for my boys(and girl!!!) this year. Airspeed, you rock!!! keep it upHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #25 April 19, 2005 Quoteespecially considering that the 20.8 was done with an alternate Yeah....Eagle is not by any stretch a slacker."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
