rhys 0 #1 January 10, 2007 Hi all, I am ordering a RDS and I do undertand how they work. I am just wondering what added malfunctions are possible with a RDS compared to a stock slider and attched pilot chute and bag. Does that extra line to the D-bag pose any more threat? thanks, Rhys"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #2 January 10, 2007 don't worry about the bag, leave it on top. it isn't worth the extra hassle. the only time I ever take the bag off is when I am competing. and yes, there is an increased risk of malfunction or even just some line burn. find someone who has one and let them show you how to pack it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
berchtoldaj 0 #3 January 10, 2007 Agreed, Have someone show you how to pack it, and more importantly, how NOT to pack it. Hooking up the slider incorrectly, or misrouting the lanyard would seem to be the easiest ways of causing a malfunction. Develop good discipline in your packing routine and the risk greatly decreases.************ Watch out for planters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #4 January 10, 2007 I found that i had to pay extra-extra, as opposed to JUST extra :) attention to the ring placement with X-cabled RDS slider on JVX. The cables seem to stiffen up the slider and make it harder to ensure proper quartering and correct placement in the pack job. (On JVX only, on VX it seemed to have worked just fine) aren't you getting a JVX? If you are ordering one of those RDS sliders with X cable release, see if they can make it modified with a soft X made of spectra line center with cables on the end. P.S. I also dont take the D-bag off, because I do not compete. I tried it a few times and found that the extra performance is not worth the headache of dealing with removable D-bag Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadowswoop97 0 #5 January 10, 2007 Rhys has ordered a para-gear rds and will not have any problems witht the crosseed cutaway cables, because that is not how this one was designed. Every rds has malfunctions, but there are 0 to date on the para concepts rds that have heard of. I hope you like it, see ya around Nick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #6 January 10, 2007 I am yet to hear of any malfunctions that came from design on the X-cabled sliders by MEL and Joe. If there were - i'd like to know Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #7 January 10, 2007 Quotedon't worry about the bag, leave it on top. it isn't worth the extra hassle. the only time I ever take the bag off is when I am competing. and yes, there is an increased risk of malfunction or even just some line burn. find someone who has one and let them show you how to pack it. Mark and Al are both right on the money. While I remove my slider every single skydive, I only attach my RDS lines when I am doing hop and pop full-on training jumps or competing (which is rare these days). There are many, many benefits to removing your slider (visibility is one, wasting less time dicking with your slider stowing another), but the added hassle of jumping your RDS in "full" mode on routine skydives where you are going to run into traffic in the pattern is simply not worth it. I used to jump my full system all the time when I was doing AFF and pulling high every jump, but I would never consider it on any of the belly RW jumps I organize here at Z-hills. I have been jumping them since they were invented, as have many other posters here in this forum. You can trust that we are all speaking the gospel. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #8 January 10, 2007 Quotefind someone who has one and let them show you how to pack it. Rhys is in Tanzania. There aren't many folk jumping removable sliders on high-performance canopies in that part of the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vectracide 0 #9 January 11, 2007 I belive that user name Chachi had 2 mals with one of Mels systems, but I am unaware of what exactly was the cause of the problem. His mals were close together in jump #'s, and IIRC, the slider would hang up in some fashion on he way down, causing line twists. ------------------------------ Controlled and Deliberate..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #10 January 11, 2007 >Rhys is in Tanzania. There aren't many folk jumping removable sliders on high-performance canopies in that part of the world. True Dat! I only really bought the RDS to compliment my JVX so soon as i have some cash now and not much to do with it. I will only remove the slider for now. I will be at Johannesburg Skydiving club for training in a couple of months so I will talk to some creatures there. they have a pond so i'm sure there will be a couple of cats with RDS's? Thnks for the knowledge (and test jumps) guys. my JVX will be flying towards me at 700+kmph in 2 days, in the hands of my friend. its like xmas as a child!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pierre3636 0 #11 January 11, 2007 cool lemme know when you there and ill introduce you to the right people ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #12 January 11, 2007 QuoteHi all, I am ordering a RDS and I do undertand how they work. I am just wondering what added malfunctions are possible with a RDS compared to a stock slider and attched pilot chute and bag. Does that extra line to the D-bag pose any more threat? thanks, Rhys I did not have anyone to show me how to pack up the full rds. I went by skymonkeyone's excellent description - search and you should be able to find. in fact, on the first jump with mels removable slider I hooked up the full system - that was a rush, but I trusted the openings on my VX. I don't have that same comfort level with my JVX (yet)... rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
golowjoe 0 #13 January 11, 2007 Chachi's slider was a prototype that was given to someone else to try and was supposed to be returned because it didn't work . It was passed down to Chachi instead of being returned so we could cut it up so noone else would get it by mistake . Joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vectracide 0 #14 January 12, 2007 Did Chachi know it was a prototype that wasn't working as intended? If he did, which I suspect, what a knucklehead. But knowing him as I do....I can see this. Did you ever get it back? ------------------------------ Controlled and Deliberate..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
golowjoe 0 #15 January 12, 2007 No he didn't . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chachi 0 #16 January 12, 2007 i thought i would clear things up on this. originally when i ordered my VX from simon at icarus i made a deal with him to include a rds system in the price. simon agreed but told me it would be a few weeks until he could have it shipped as he knew that mel was away. simon then began ducking my calls and turning into the sales rep i had heard about. i proceeded to contact other dealers and ended up talking with nick in california. nick was amazing and got some action going but some how this slider got out to me. what mistake happened there i don't know. i am looking forward to my new one arriving soon. the only problem on the original was the cables were a little too short and the housing for the cables a little too loose which caused the cables to come out during packing. while the slider was coming down a cable got caught over a cascade and held the slider up. -rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vectracide 0 #17 January 12, 2007 Ahhhh....another Simon victim. You actually gonna compete this year with that thing? Were looking at some unusual venues for this season's CPC.....nothing in stone....but it could be fun. You should come down and swoop with us...... ------------------------------ Controlled and Deliberate..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
