narcimund 0 #1 June 11, 2002 Well, I just got my brand new Safire 2 from Icarus and the logo patches on the stabilizers have the old "Safire" logo.When I talked with Icarus they said they just haven't gotten in the new logos yet, so they're using up the old ones on the new canopies.I can't exactly say I doubt this, but I'm withholding judgement. If I were more of an expert in canopy design perhaps I could compare them and be sure the canopy I'm holding is different than the old one I was jumping.No huge deal either way, I suppose. It's a drag that I'll have to answer the same stupid question twenty dozen times in the next several years: "If you got the Safire 2 why doesn't it say so on the side?" It could also be trouble if I ever try to sell it later.It's not the best marketing decision I've ever seen a company make."Flying without feathers is not easy; my wings have no feathers" -- Titus Maccius Plautus, 220 B.C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #2 June 11, 2002 hint: look at the brake lines when packing it. They should be different lengths compared to your old one where they were the same length.Check the warning label on the top of the canopy it should say safire 2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #3 June 11, 2002 i discussed it with narcimund and hooknswoop offline already.i also had new safire2 canopy yesterday and it also says safire on stabilizers and warning label, not safire2. i didn't check my lines yet, i'll do it tonight and post here.that kinda sucks ...stan.--Go fast ! Then go even faster ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #4 June 11, 2002 Quotehint: look at the brake lines when packing it. They should be different lengths compared to your old one where they were the same length.What? Can you explain this one? I'm confused.-Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #5 June 11, 2002 lines should different in lenght after they cascade. lengthbetween cascade and connection points.--Go fast ! Then go even faster ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #6 June 11, 2002 Just to add to the confusuon here -- I just got my Safire relined. I wanted to get away from the Vectran lines, also my steering lines were starting to show wear around the cat's eye and I wan't relishing the thought of losing one on final!So, I killed three birds with one stone, got rid of the Vectran, got new lines, and went from trim revision 0 to trim revision 3 (which is, I understand, the same as used on the Safire 2).It was like getting a new canopy. Have noticably more power in the flare, turns about the same and looks great. Think I'll keep her for a long while.Oops, almost gotfor, Icarus' customer service rocks! I called on a Tuesday to set up the reline. Mel said I would get it back in 7-10 days, then he said "Wait! I'll get the lineset built now. You jump this weekend and send it out Monday via UPS. I'll get it Wednesday, we'll check it out and reline it and send it back out that evening and you won't miss a weekend." They did just that. Unfortunately I didn't get to jump it that next weekend because the Tuesday evening after we talked was when my Mom died and we had her memorial service that Saturday, but my canopy was back as promised. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #7 June 11, 2002 i just got back home and checked my lines. the lengths of lines goingfrom cascade to attachment points starting from the side on thecanopy are: 40", 38", 38" and 44.5". looks like it is safire 2.stan.--if everything's under control, you are not going fast enough ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #8 June 11, 2002 Just out of curiousity, but how much did the reline set you back?One shot... HEY!!! Mas Tequila!!!! Two Shots HEY HEY!!!! Three Shots....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #9 June 12, 2002 QuoteJust out of curiousity, but how much did the reline set you back?I just had one of my Crossfires relined for $268.00 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #10 June 12, 2002 QuoteJust out of curiousity, but how much did the reline set you back?Like the man said, $268. I paid shipping to Icarus, they paid back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #11 June 12, 2002 That's not too bad.... And I assume it would be cheaper for an Omega. So a reline isn't done by a rigger but by the manufacturer? I was told I'd need to get mine relined in about 200 to 300 jumps. I'll probably asend it back next winter...Thanks guysOne shot... HEY!!! Mas Tequila!!!! Two Shots HEY HEY!!!! Three Shots....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #12 June 12, 2002 QuoteSo a reline isn't done by a rigger but by the manufacturer? Actually, they can make up the line set and you can have a rigger do it, but it wouldn't be any cheaper, and I don't think it would be any faster. Though, of course, if the service loft is busy, they might not be able to turn it around as fast as they did mine, but they'll try to get it back to you as soon as possible.I have my choice of riggers who I would be more than happy to have do the work for me, but I just like the idea of having my canopy inspected and modified by the factory's rigger(s). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lummy 4 #13 June 12, 2002 About how long did it take to go form door back to your door? Oh, and I'm assuming the price would be cheaper because my Omega being a 7 cell as opposed to a 9. But I agree with your thinking in having the manufacturer inspect and modifyOne shot... HEY!!! Mas Tequila!!!! Two Shots HEY HEY!!!! Three Shots....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spy38W 0 #14 June 12, 2002 QuoteActually, they can make up the line set and you can have a rigger do it,A master rigger that is....--Come to the dark side Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jceman 1 #15 June 12, 2002 QuoteAbout how long did it take to go form door back to your door?As I implied in my first post, I sent it out on Monday, and it was back by Friday. That's from FL to NC and back via UPS. Remember, this was with prior notification so the lineset was waiting for the canopy. BTW, for anyone that might be reading this yet, I sent it to Icarus still packed in the d-bag. They did the reline and put it back on the risers for me. I only had to hook it up, do a line check and pack it. Nice customer service. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #16 June 12, 2002 "A master rigger that is...."On a main, yes, but not necessary on a reserve.Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #17 June 12, 2002 QuoteOn a main, yes, but not necessary on a reserve.isn't it the other way around....Reserve, yes, but not necessary on a main. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites polarbear 1 #18 June 12, 2002 Other way 'round. Especially if the new line set incorporates a line trim modification (ie alteration).In the end run, it depends on the manufacturer's instructions. The FAA is fairly vague about what requires a master/senior rigger. What they do say is follow manufacturer's instructions...so, if the manufacturer says it is OK for a senior rigger to do it, then there you go. It will probably require a bartack machine; most senior riggers don't have access to one of those. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #19 June 12, 2002 I think the Safire1/Safire2 thread has made me dislesic. Right, you don't need a master rigger to re-line a main, but a new line on a reseve is considered a major repair and therefore requires a master rigger. Thanks for keeping me in check :-)Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #20 June 12, 2002 If your Safire2 has the old labeling make sure you sell it as the first run of the Safire2 limited edition. It's a Collector's Item! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Staso 0 #21 June 12, 2002 > It's a Collector's Item!:) Actually according to Simon Mundell from Icarus new Safire2 will have Safire labels, not Safire2. It's second generation, but the name stays the same.Stan.--if everything's under control, you are not going fast enough ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Swanee 0 #22 June 16, 2002 I've just measured the steering lines on my Safire1 169 They are all 40" I am soon to have the Safire Performance mod done (http://www.jumpergirl.com/safire.html) and am looking forward to a more powerful flare. I am currently loaded near the max of 1.6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Swanee 0 #23 June 29, 2002 I have now had the perfomance modifcation installed, and to say the canopy is tranformed is an understatement. I have done 200 jumps on a stock standard Safire and the flare (and landings) have dramatically improved as a result of the mod. Highly recommended. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
lummy 4 #13 June 12, 2002 About how long did it take to go form door back to your door? Oh, and I'm assuming the price would be cheaper because my Omega being a 7 cell as opposed to a 9. But I agree with your thinking in having the manufacturer inspect and modifyOne shot... HEY!!! Mas Tequila!!!! Two Shots HEY HEY!!!! Three Shots....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #14 June 12, 2002 QuoteActually, they can make up the line set and you can have a rigger do it,A master rigger that is....--Come to the dark side Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #15 June 12, 2002 QuoteAbout how long did it take to go form door back to your door?As I implied in my first post, I sent it out on Monday, and it was back by Friday. That's from FL to NC and back via UPS. Remember, this was with prior notification so the lineset was waiting for the canopy. BTW, for anyone that might be reading this yet, I sent it to Icarus still packed in the d-bag. They did the reline and put it back on the risers for me. I only had to hook it up, do a line check and pack it. Nice customer service. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #16 June 12, 2002 "A master rigger that is...."On a main, yes, but not necessary on a reserve.Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #17 June 12, 2002 QuoteOn a main, yes, but not necessary on a reserve.isn't it the other way around....Reserve, yes, but not necessary on a main. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polarbear 1 #18 June 12, 2002 Other way 'round. Especially if the new line set incorporates a line trim modification (ie alteration).In the end run, it depends on the manufacturer's instructions. The FAA is fairly vague about what requires a master/senior rigger. What they do say is follow manufacturer's instructions...so, if the manufacturer says it is OK for a senior rigger to do it, then there you go. It will probably require a bartack machine; most senior riggers don't have access to one of those. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #19 June 12, 2002 I think the Safire1/Safire2 thread has made me dislesic. Right, you don't need a master rigger to re-line a main, but a new line on a reseve is considered a major repair and therefore requires a master rigger. Thanks for keeping me in check :-)Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #20 June 12, 2002 If your Safire2 has the old labeling make sure you sell it as the first run of the Safire2 limited edition. It's a Collector's Item! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #21 June 12, 2002 > It's a Collector's Item!:) Actually according to Simon Mundell from Icarus new Safire2 will have Safire labels, not Safire2. It's second generation, but the name stays the same.Stan.--if everything's under control, you are not going fast enough ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swanee 0 #22 June 16, 2002 I've just measured the steering lines on my Safire1 169 They are all 40" I am soon to have the Safire Performance mod done (http://www.jumpergirl.com/safire.html) and am looking forward to a more powerful flare. I am currently loaded near the max of 1.6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swanee 0 #23 June 29, 2002 I have now had the perfomance modifcation installed, and to say the canopy is tranformed is an understatement. I have done 200 jumps on a stock standard Safire and the flare (and landings) have dramatically improved as a result of the mod. Highly recommended. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
