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7 minutes ago, georger said:

Might be interesting - fresh outlook. Previous books by author are technical: 

 
Technical Analysis of Stock Trends

Technical Analysis of Stock Trends

by Robert D. Edwards, John Magee, et al. | Jul 19, 2018

Sorry not the same guy - how do I remove this post here ? Cant find a REMOVE button ?

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2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Looks good..  Wayfarer's

https://www.amazon.com/Cooper-Flight-305-Reexamining-Disappearance/dp/0764362569

 

"The "D. B. Cooper" case is the only unsolved act of air piracy in US history. On November 24, 1971, a polite, nondescript, and dark-complexioned man calling himself "Dan Cooper" hijacked Northwest Airlines Flight 305, Boeing 727, between Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington. At Seattle International Airport, he demanded and received $200,000 and four parachutes, released the passengers, and ordered the crew to take him to Mexico. Somewhere along the way, he jumped. He was never found or identified. Forty-five years later, the FBI gave up the hunt. This book looks at the case from the perspective of a mathematician and pilot. It uses previously unexamined data and original-source documents, combined with the tools of statistics, aeronautics, and meteorology, to show where and how the FBI could resume the search and possibly find out at last who "D. B. Cooper" really was."

I'm almost done reading this. It's truly great.

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20 hours ago, georger said:

Sorry not the same guy - how do I remove this post here ? Cant find a REMOVE button ?

After a certain number of hours (four or five I think) you cannot remove or modify your posts here. 

Just got back from the trip to the eastern slope of the Cascades. Snowed a bit in the morning the first day, then it got nicer for the rest of trip. Susan and I discussed next July's DB Cooper/UFO Skywatch Party and finalized some basic parameters. Last one we got about 25 people to show up. This time we expect at least twice that number. To be straight up with people, no one is automatically excluded from attending. Besides...if you give us a hard time...we could just push you off at 6900 feet. 

Yes, that was a joke. 

At the last event, only two Cooper folks showed up besides myself, but that was just fine. They got their Cooper stuff in for everyone, but the majority of discussion was about UFO's and the recent government releases about them. You also get the Bigfoot people. I may not believe in some of these things, but the folks who do are certainly entertaining. We may not do the traditional Cooper parties, but two things are guaranteed about ours. Everyone has fun and there is a lot of camaraderie. What can I say? I'm not much for sitting in a theater just listening to people on a stage. I'm not against it. I just don't do it. Camp1.jpg.3844d00ebca05969152e6ea1d9bdb8e4.jpg

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And one of your two main organizers for next year's event at Darland Mountain:

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I am thinking of selling one or two of my six copies of Ha Ha Ha this year. If interested, contact me PRIVATELY by email. adventurebooksofseattle AT Gmail. Public requests will be ignored. 

We are taking a trip down the Oregon Coast starting early next month. Winter is a good time to visit, almost as good as summer and the motel rates are cheaper. 

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Here are Dan Gryder's three latest YouTube videos in which he brings up D. B.Cooper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFAnWlxwgc8 (roughly at 3m45s through 5m30s):

In the third of these, Mr Gryder says inter alia that:

* he (alone) knows who D. B. Cooper was (or is)

* he has recorded a podcast with Darren Schaefer for The Cooper Vortex

* he is planning a parachute jump at the spot where (he believes) D. B. Cooper jumped.

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4 hours ago, DFS346 said:

 

Here are Dan Gryder's three latest YouTube videos in which he brings up D. B.Cooper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFAnWlxwgc8 (roughly at 3m45s through 5m30s):

In the third of these, Mr Gryder says inter alia that:

* he (alone) knows who D. B. Cooper was (or is)

* he has recorded a podcast with Darren Schaefer for The Cooper Vortex

* he is planning a parachute jump at the spot where (he believes) D. B. Cooper jumped.

Complete nonsense..

Marla: Zero evidence, just childhood (false) memory recall.. 

Dan,,, who knows who he thinks Cooper is...

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Cooper's initial demand was to lower airstairs in flight.. this is an irrefutable fact. It is in the pilot transcripts, Harrison notes and clearly laid out in the FBI files. FBI summaries leave out this initial demand and only state that he wanted airstairs down, this is misleading. I checked the FBI docs and timing.. Cooper's initial demand was airstairs lowered inflight. Fullstop.

Cooper was told the plane did not have the range for Mexico and negotiations began.

The pilots and Cooper went back and forth on the airstair position during negotiations. The pilots wanted to get Tina off the plane. Cooper wanted her to lower the airstairs. 

They agreed to take off airstairs up.

 

So, Cooper initially demanded airstairs lowered in flight but changed it during the Reno negotiations. 

His PLAN A was NOT airstairs down on take off. Cooper did not want to jump ASAP until Reno was in play, he did not want to be on the plane in Reno. He altered his original plan and his ultimate LZ was most likely not his PLAN A.

 

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4 hours ago, Robert99 said:

If I remember correctly, she already has a book out.  

True enough. I did an interview once with Marla when I was doing my 'Ten Questions For...' (name of person here) format for certain articles. Her answers to events surrounding the hijacking were, at best...lacking. I also did some undercover work on her in a manner of speaking. I created a phony account for a while at Facebook, using the name 'Jane Smith' and friended her. I started recording her posts when she first went public. Here are a few of them:

"I'm going to create my own media frenzy..." (August 2010, after she first went on ABC news.)

"Dear Geoff (Gray). Sorry about your book sales man."

There were others in a similar vein. 

One of the most disturbing things I saw was when her own brother, who was present at the house in Sisters, Oregon at the time in question...(week of the Cooper hijacking) said THIS on her Facebook page after he saw her postings:

"I'm not going anywhere near this one..."

Marla had a book deal going with some publisher or other. Later, they dropped their offer to publish her book, mostly based on her lack of credibility regarding her story about her uncle. She went the self-published route later. 

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You can see my WordPress article on Marla and her story HERE.

Had more holes in it than a five-pound block of Swiss cheese. B) I still have a copy of the unedited version of her interview. The published version skips some of her more defensive comments to certain questions. For example, she got VERY defensive when I suggested that somewhere in Deschutes County, Oregon there might be a record of the traffic accident she claimed happened the morning after the hijacking. She also had a difficult time explaining why....if her uncle landed near Sisters...HOW the money at Tina Bar ended up THERE. She kind of forgot about the money until I reminded her about it. Then...she tried changing her story and saying her uncle dropped the money on the way down and landed near Tina Bar. I just did not find her the least bit credible at all. If anyone wants to see the unedited version of the interview, I will be happy to post it. 

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I will try to do the copy/paste thing from the full text of the Ten Questions for Marla Cooper' interview. She made her answers in red, but since I can't control the text color here at DZ, I will just separate her answers from my questions, and that way readers will be able to tell who is speaking: 

Marla Cooper <[email protected]>     Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:14 AM 
To: Robert Blevins <[email protected]

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Hi Robert.
At lease five of my wisest friends advised me to just ignore you. I don't always follow good advice, especially when my gut tells me to do otherwise. I just could not resist the opportunity to write my own answers for once. My inner Dave Barry came out a little. 

To keep things simple, I made my words red. I like red. But I like the blue dress you put on me in your cartoons even better!

Marla Wynn Cooper

 

On Dec 12, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Robert Blevins <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Marla,
I will list the questions below and leave space in between, in case you want to do cut and paste and just fill in the blanks. Or you can just print this up and give your answers. I'm going to put a *star* after some of the questions with a comment that says why we're asking this question, so you won't think it's a trick question. We want to be fair. The starred comments won't appear in the article.

 
For the actual article, in questions below where it says 'you've been quoted as saying...' I will insert a link to that specific portion of the news article. I tried not to get too specific on some questions, to allow some leeway for whomever wrote the articles we will quote from. You know...like when that reporter misquoted you on how many copies of the comic LD owned. Things like that. We're not trying to trick you here. Just attempting get the facts as best as you can recall. We understand you were only eight years old at the time. 


1) When your uncle showed up at your grandmother's house the day after the hijacking, you said he was injured. To your best recollection, what was he wearing and how badly do you think he was hurt?

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He was wearing a bloody white t-shirt. He was badly wounded. I would say he was delirious. I don't remember him speaking at all. 

(*Trying to determine if he was wearing same clothes as the hijacker at the time he arrived home.*)
The tie and sunglasses were conspicuously absent.


2) $5,800 of the ransom was discovered on the banks of the Columbia River in 1980. It is known that this money could not have arrived in that location before 1974. UW scientist Tom Kaye's research alleges that the money was most likely a plant, and did not (in his words) 'arrive there by natural means'. Do you have a theory on how the money arrived there? 

 

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I agree with the theory that the money was dredged to the location where it was found. My dad told me LD dropped the money when he had a problem with the chute. 


(*Everyone has a theory on the money. And they are all different. We know you've researched the case. We just wanted to hear yours.*)

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I doubt I've "researched the case" anything like you have Robert.


3) One question that arises persistently is about verification from your other family members regarding events at your grandmother's house the day after the hijacking. Your mother has gone on record saying that she had suspicions LD was the hijacker. Have any other of your family members gone on record, and what do they say? 

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No one was around when the two arrived on Thanksgiving morning. My mother and Grandmother had left the house. My brother and sister were probably sleeping. It was early in the morning. I'm not sure if anyone has "gone on record."

(*Seeking verification of your story from additional family members*)

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Yah yah. Got that part.


4) In recent news articles, you have claimed that Curtis Eng, current FBI case agent in Seattle for the Cooper case (or the Seattle FBI media agent) met with you and said he believed your uncle was either the best suspect, or that he believed LD Cooper was the hijacker, and that regardless of the print results on LD, that the FBI is planning to drop the case reasonably soon. Do you stand by these statements?

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Yes. Except he said "close" not "drop" the case. Are you sure these aren't trick questions? That one was pretty tricky!


(*Since the FBI hasn't verified this, even after several requests from Seattle media, we have to ask you to go on the record here.*)

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Really? Who exactly is "we"? I said it on TV already. Is this part of some really special official top secret type of record? Are you one of their Special Agents? Are there going to be guns and bad guys involved somewhere? Could you get Clint Eastwood to play my love interest? He's totally hot!


5) You've been quoted in a couple of news stories as saying the FBI showed pictures of LD Cooper to at least some surviving members of Flight 305's flight crew, and that at least one of them identified LD as possibly being the hijacker. Which flight crew were shown the picture, and which one(s) identified him as possibly being Cooper?

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Well gee Robert, the FBI didn't invite me to tag along for their investigation, so I couldn't tell you "which one." I was told that a crew member had said: "Of all the photos you've every brought to me, this one sure looks like him." My guess would be it was one of the flight attendants who said that.

(*This is a fair question, since stewardess Florence Schaffner has previously said Kenny Christiansen's picture was (quote) 'the closest I've ever seen to the hijacker.' )

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This really surprises me since none of the witnesses mentioned "Big ass ears" in their description of the hijacker. Surely someone would have noticed and brought it up! Isn't Kenny your suspect Robert?? Were you and Flo ever, you know, like intimate? I mean seriously, why would she say that? By the way, you forgot your asterisk, I mean "star", so will this part be in your article?

6) There has been much research done on the famous Cooper comic book. It was mostly distributed in France, Belgium, and some parts of eastern Canada. Very few copies reached the United States. Yet you claim your uncle had several copies on the wall of the bedroom at your grandmother's house. When you think about it today, do you have any theories on how he might have acquired them?

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Yes I do. He had a car. I'm pretty sure he could drive it. The trek to Canada isn't impossible under those circumstances. One of my theories is that he bought them in Canada. Since I only saw my Uncle once a year, he had plenty of time to do things I wasn't privy to. However it's more logical to me that he discovered "Dan Cooper" while serving in the Navy during the Korean war. 


(*Comic book was not associated with the case until 2008, when the info was released by the FBI. Your uncle died nine years earlier, so we had to ask, since it is a key element of your claim.*) 


7) One well-known quote in your story is your Uncle LD saying, 'We did it. Our money problems are over...we hijacked a plane.' Were any other still-living family members present when LD allegedly made this statement? If they are no longer living, then who else heard him make this statement?

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You're mistaken. My uncle Dewey, not LD, said this to my father. Nobody else was around to hear it.


(*Seeking a second source for the statement*)
 

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Sorry about my dad's untimely death. Really. It's been damned inconvenient overall.


8) In your research on LD Cooper, did you discover any evidence that he may have had at least a minimum experience in using a parachute?

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Evidence? No. You seem to be assuming that my book research involves some type of sleuthing into all things DB Cooper. It does not. Someone in my family had told me LD was a paratrooper. There has also been speculation he could have taken skydiving lessons. Lots of people do that sort of thing.

(*Another have-to-ask question. Testimony from stewardess Tina Mucklow, and some elements of the case record indicate the hijacker almost certainly had some parachute experience, and that because he selected the NB-6 chute, it may have been military. He picked the NB-6 over a newer sport chute when he jumped.*)

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"Have to ask"? Are the voices telling you to ask Robert?


9) The Deschutes County Sheriffs Department near Sisters, Oregon has been made aware of your claim about LD Cooper saying he was in a car accident, and that was how he received his injuries. You say it was a result of a bad landing after the hijacking jump, based on his statement that he and Dewey actually hijacked a jet instead. How will you respond if they discover an accident report from the time of the crime with either LD's or Dewey's name on it?

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Let's start by getting straight AGAIN about who was Dewey and who was LD since you seem to be having trouble with this.

Dewey: 
Younger brother. Shiny bald head. Man on the ground. Drove the car. Did the talking on Thanksgiving morning. Dewey told me they had been in a wreck when I asked what happened to LD, who was wounded and bleeding in the passenger seat.

LD: 
Guy with slicked receding dark hair and heavy duty sideburns. Didn't talk to me on Thanksgiving Day, just sat in the passenger's side of the (not wrecked) car while being badly wounded, which alarmed me. Bloody uncles in cars had been virtually absent from my life up until, and pretty much after, that morning.

I know what I saw Thanksgiving morning. The car wasn't wrecked. When the Deschutes County Sheriff's Department produces a document stating my uncles were in an accident on that day, I will begin formulating my own conspiracy theories like maybe it was Kenneth Christiansen wrecking cars and claiming to be my Uncles! Kenny looks really happy.

 


(*Portland FBI and Deschutes County have been told about your claim. No one knows if they are actually researching the old records, but it is possible they could be checking.*)

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Why is it likely they would they be checking? Because YOU asked them to? ooooh! I'm really really scared now. Here's another thing Curtis told me a long time ago Robert. When "Decoded" did the story about Christiansen, I asked him "What do you think about that theory?" Curtis sort of groaned in that cool Asian guy way of his and said "We ruled him out a long time ago. There's no way he could have done it. We all just wish that guy would just sort of go away." I don't think he was talking about Christiansen, being that he was previously dead by having died before that and all. I think Curtis was probably talking about YOU. I bet he would even "go on record" to say it too. Go ahead. Call him up. Or maybe get Bruce or Jerry to do it. Bruce especially likes calling people up, and Jerry has Curtis's number.


10) During the time that LD Cooper stayed at your grandmother's house, was he known to have his own car? Optional: Do you know what type of car he owned? 

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See above. He had a car. I think it was a blue Triumph. 


(*Trying to establish that if the injured-during-the-jump story is true, then if he owned a car, that car would still be there after the date of the hijacking and available to him, since there would have been no accident.*)

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I have read this last parenthetical statement five times and I still don't get your point. But then, maybe it's just me. I'm blond.

Submitted by Robert Blevins
12/12/2011
My thanks to you for agreeing to answer these questions.

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You're welcome. And thank YOU for contacting me for a "fair" interview, even if you had to be smoked out of your hole to do it. Don't forget, I have it on record that you "will not change one word" of my answers. We'll see if you really meant it. Are you sure you don't want to put this whole thing on DropZone? 

Robert says: (Today) This interview was from ten years ago. I figure that is long enough to keep it away from DZ. This was the unedited version. As you can see, she was not only having trouble coming up with legitimate answers, but some of her comments border on hostile. I edited out some of her smart-ass comments for the WordPress and Quora dot com versions. 
 

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1 hour ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I will try to do the copy/paste thing from the full text of the Ten Questions for Marla Cooper' interview. She made her answers in red, but since I can't control the text color here at DZ, I will just separate her answers from my questions, and that way readers will be able to tell who is speaking: 

Marla Cooper <[email protected]>     Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:14 AM 
To: Robert Blevins <[email protected]

On Dec 12, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Robert Blevins <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Marla,
I will list the questions below and leave space in between, in case you want to do cut and paste and just fill in the blanks. Or you can just print this up and give your answers. I'm going to put a *star* after some of the questions with a comment that says why we're asking this question, so you won't think it's a trick question. We want to be fair. The starred comments won't appear in the article.

 
For the actual article, in questions below where it says 'you've been quoted as saying...' I will insert a link to that specific portion of the news article. I tried not to get too specific on some questions, to allow some leeway for whomever wrote the articles we will quote from. You know...like when that reporter misquoted you on how many copies of the comic LD owned. Things like that. We're not trying to trick you here. Just attempting get the facts as best as you can recall. We understand you were only eight years old at the time. 


1) When your uncle showed up at your grandmother's house the day after the hijacking, you said he was injured. To your best recollection, what was he wearing and how badly do you think he was hurt?

(*Trying to determine if he was wearing same clothes as the hijacker at the time he arrived home.*)
The tie and sunglasses were conspicuously absent.


2) $5,800 of the ransom was discovered on the banks of the Columbia River in 1980. It is known that this money could not have arrived in that location before 1974. UW scientist Tom Kaye's research alleges that the money was most likely a plant, and did not (in his words) 'arrive there by natural means'. Do you have a theory on how the money arrived there? 

 


(*Everyone has a theory on the money. And they are all different. We know you've researched the case. We just wanted to hear yours.*)


3) One question that arises persistently is about verification from your other family members regarding events at your grandmother's house the day after the hijacking. Your mother has gone on record saying that she had suspicions LD was the hijacker. Have any other of your family members gone on record, and what do they say? 

(*Seeking verification of your story from additional family members*)


4) In recent news articles, you have claimed that Curtis Eng, current FBI case agent in Seattle for the Cooper case (or the Seattle FBI media agent) met with you and said he believed your uncle was either the best suspect, or that he believed LD Cooper was the hijacker, and that regardless of the print results on LD, that the FBI is planning to drop the case reasonably soon. Do you stand by these statements?


(*Since the FBI hasn't verified this, even after several requests from Seattle media, we have to ask you to go on the record here.*)


5) You've been quoted in a couple of news stories as saying the FBI showed pictures of LD Cooper to at least some surviving members of Flight 305's flight crew, and that at least one of them identified LD as possibly being the hijacker. Which flight crew were shown the picture, and which one(s) identified him as possibly being Cooper?

(*This is a fair question, since stewardess Florence Schaffner has previously said Kenny Christiansen's picture was (quote) 'the closest I've ever seen to the hijacker.' )

6) There has been much research done on the famous Cooper comic book. It was mostly distributed in France, Belgium, and some parts of eastern Canada. Very few copies reached the United States. Yet you claim your uncle had several copies on the wall of the bedroom at your grandmother's house. When you think about it today, do you have any theories on how he might have acquired them?


(*Comic book was not associated with the case until 2008, when the info was released by the FBI. Your uncle died nine years earlier, so we had to ask, since it is a key element of your claim.*) 


7) One well-known quote in your story is your Uncle LD saying, 'We did it. Our money problems are over...we hijacked a plane.' Were any other still-living family members present when LD allegedly made this statement? If they are no longer living, then who else heard him make this statement?


(*Seeking a second source for the statement*)
 


8) In your research on LD Cooper, did you discover any evidence that he may have had at least a minimum experience in using a parachute?

(*Another have-to-ask question. Testimony from stewardess Tina Mucklow, and some elements of the case record indicate the hijacker almost certainly had some parachute experience, and that because he selected the NB-6 chute, it may have been military. He picked the NB-6 over a newer sport chute when he jumped.*)


9) The Deschutes County Sheriffs Department near Sisters, Oregon has been made aware of your claim about LD Cooper saying he was in a car accident, and that was how he received his injuries. You say it was a result of a bad landing after the hijacking jump, based on his statement that he and Dewey actually hijacked a jet instead. How will you respond if they discover an accident report from the time of the crime with either LD's or Dewey's name on it?


(*Portland FBI and Deschutes County have been told about your claim. No one knows if they are actually researching the old records, but it is possible they could be checking.*)


10) During the time that LD Cooper stayed at your grandmother's house, was he known to have his own car? Optional: Do you know what type of car he owned? 


(*Trying to establish that if the injured-during-the-jump story is true, then if he owned a car, that car would still be there after the date of the hijacking and available to him, since there would have been no accident.*)

Submitted by Robert Blevins
12/12/2011
My thanks to you for agreeing to answer these questions.

Robert says: (Today) This interview was from ten years ago. I figure that is long enough to keep it away from DZ. This was the unedited version. As you can see, she was not only having trouble coming up with legitimate answers, but some of her comments border on hostile. I edited out some of her smart-ass comments for the WordPress and Quora dot com versions. 
 

No thanks on the unedited version but you have apparently posted it anyway.  A blue Triumph sports car?  Which Triumph sports car?  Did LD have a passenger or baggage when he arrived?  In the early 1970s I had a Triumph Spitfire sports car and things were not very roomy inside.

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1 hour ago, Robert99 said:

No thanks on the unedited version but you have apparently posted it anyway.  A blue Triumph sports car?  Which Triumph sports car?  Did LD have a passenger or baggage when he arrived?  In the early 1970s I had a Triumph Spitfire sports car and things were not very roomy inside.

Robert99: I have no idea how to answer those questions. (She did say BOTH her uncles arrived at the house in Sisters in the Triumph, though.) I may have posted this interview earlier, sure. If I did it was a long time ago I'm sure. No big deal. It was viewed hundreds of times at WordPress and thousands of times via Quora Cooper. I have since deleted the DB Cooper Space at Quora though, aka 'Everything DB Cooper'. 

My approach to withdrawing from the Cooper Vortex, at least partially, was to delete that Quora space, cease publishing new articles to the DB Cooper WordPress thing, refuse any further interviews on the Cooper case, and only do one public event a year, which is only partially Cooper-oriented anyway. I don't mind posting to Dropzone though. Or accepting money from Fox News for certain image rights. That stuff is pretty harmless and doesn't require much effort. (*smiles*) I also quit promoting KC so much as possibly being Cooper. For one thing....you guys have already seen almost everything we have on him anyway. And the report is still available for download. Why go on about it, right? I do answer emails on the case though. Most of them come from purchasers of the book on KC. I think both the Kindle version and the paperback have our main email address in there at the end of the book. 

NOTE: Webs dot com is still screwed up. That's who hosts adventurebooksofseattle dot com. They keep posting a notice on our website that the site is expired. It is not. (Not the domain name. That's good until August 2023) The problem is that their password reset function has been down for ten days now...and I am not able to change the password for editing and update our billing with them. They sent me a reset link...and it didn't work. They are totally screwed up over there right now. They have been ever since VistaPrint took over Webs last June. I hope they will get it together soon. I change our password there for editing about once a month, and this one time I forgot to add it to our Master Password list on paper here in the office. So when I tried to reset and update billing...it hasn't worked. They have some pretty crappy IT guys over there apparently. I have a second service request out to them. Hopefully they will get things straightened out. Otherwise they will downgrade AB to a free website and start running their ads. Can't figure out why they can't get their act together over there. We've been doing the same billing arrangement with them since August 2006. This time I sent them a copy of their own billing agreement and told them they should go to PayPal and get their money. Like they have for the last 15 years LOL. 

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Leaving for the hills again for a week, so please don't report me as missing. I need a little time alone. B)

I also see, as usual, that Marla Cooper is spouting off her hatred again over at Bruce Smith's website. I'm starting to feel sorry for Bruce, since it's obvious his own website has gotten away from him...and it proves that Marla has an ugly side to her as well. I poked a little fun at her with a couple of cartoons, and tried to give her a fair shot to explain herself, which she failed miserably. Her fault, not mine. She comes back constantly with personal attacks and outright lies/hatred. The usual stuff. Her comments will be pointed out by internet link to both the Kiggins Theater staff and the local paper in Vancouver. 

It is exactly what she deserves. Trust me on this one. ¬¬ What I couldn't believe is that she would do these things on an article by Bruce that was supposed to be a respectful remembrance of Jo Weber. 

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2 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Leaving for the hills again for a week, so please don't report me as missing. I need a little time alone. B)

I also see, as usual, that Marla Cooper is spouting off her hatred again over at Bruce Smith's website. I'm starting to feel sorry for Bruce, since it's obvious his own website has gotten away from him...and it proves that Marla has an ugly side to her as well. I poked a little fun at her with a couple of cartoons, and tried to give her a fair shot to explain herself, which she failed miserably. Her fault, not mine. She comes back constantly with personal attacks and outright lies/hatred. The usual stuff. Her comments will be pointed out by internet link to both the Kiggins Theater staff and the local paper in Vancouver. 

It is exactly what she deserves. Trust me on this one. ¬¬ What I couldn't believe is that she would do these things on an article by Bruce that was supposed to be a respectful remembrance of Jo Weber. 

And you are certain that it is actually Marla that is posting?

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5 hours ago, ParrotheadVol said:

And you are certain that it is actually Marla that is posting?

Bruce would have to answer that question. Your question is directed at the wrong person. It is HIS website, and because it is a WordPress site, he has access to the IP address, email address, and other identifying factors that WordPress provides to site owners for all comments made to articles. I have two WordPress sites. Everything is in your admin log. 

Since Bruce has not questioned Marla Cooper on her identity, and continues to allow her to post, and the fact that he has met her in person at Cooper Con, as well as speaking about her at length on the internet...I will assume it is the real Marla Cooper. 

One thing is for sure. If the upcoming Cooper Con is a crash-and-burn event this year, no one will be able to point the finger at me as the reason why. Looks like it will populated and hosted mostly by people who tell lies, promote hatred, and have nothing else better to do. Not the best approach when you are trying to get media attention and convince people they should drop twenty bucks a seat to attend. ^_^

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I have sent Bruce Smith a message regarding my last two posts. I will be returning on Friday afternoon next week. If I still see those comments visible by Marla Cooper and her friend Gypsy 23, I will be sending links to those comments to the appropriate people. Probably won't have any result, but it's good to bring these sort of unnecessary personal attacks by people involved in Cooper Con to the attention of others involved in the convention. 

I will remind anyone reading this now, or who is involved in the convention....that the last time you engaged in this behavior...they canceled your venue. In any case, it will probably put off the media a bit. I'm a big believer in holding people responsible for their own actions. Sometimes even MINE. 

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19 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I have sent Bruce Smith a message regarding my last two posts. I will be returning on Friday afternoon next week. If I still see those comments visible by Marla Cooper and her friend Gypsy 23, I will be sending links to those comments to the appropriate people. Probably won't have any result, but it's good to bring these sort of unnecessary personal attacks by people involved in Cooper Con to the attention of others involved in the convention. 

I will remind anyone reading this now, or who is involved in the convention....that the last time you engaged in this behavior...they canceled your venue. In any case, it will probably put off the media a bit. I'm a big believer in holding people responsible for their own actions. Sometimes even MINE. 

Don't do anything stupid Blevins.. CooperCon is a separate issue from those trolls.

Bruce might be out of town. 

 

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6 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Don't do anything stupid Blevins.. CooperCon is a separate issue from those trolls.

Bruce might be out of town. 

I couldn't care less if he is out of town. This has been an ongoing problem with him, and he doesn't answer his email. So if his failure to monitor his own website causes problems for Cooper Con...that is a BRUCE problem. Marla Cooper is listed on the Cooper Con program as a speaker. And trolls deserve whatever they get. 

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8 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I couldn't care less if he is out of town. This has been an ongoing problem with him, and he doesn't answer his email. So if his failure to monitor his own website causes problems for Cooper Con...that is a BRUCE problem. Marla Cooper is listed on the Cooper Con program as a speaker. And trolls deserve whatever they get. 

How do you know if that is actually Marla trolling you?

Trolls don't use their real names.

So, if you are wrong and you probably are, you will be making a huge mistake and potentially impacting lots of people completely unrelated to the troll you are trying to get back at.

And that will sink your reputation to the sewer in the minds of everyone.

Big mistake Blevins..  

 

and I have no respect for Eric. I will never have anything to do with him but there are others I do respect that are involved. You will be potentially impacting them and attendees based on your false assumption.

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49 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

How do you know if that is actually Marla trolling you?

Trolls don't use their real names.

So, if you are wrong and you probably are, you will be making a huge mistake and potentially impacting lots of people completely unrelated to the troll you are trying to get back at.

And that will sink your reputation to the sewer in the minds of everyone.

Big mistake Blevins..  

and I have no respect for Eric. I will never have anything to do with him but there are others I do respect that are involved. You will be potentially impacting them and attendees based on your false assumption.

I understand where you are coming from, but consider THIS:

  • Bruce Smith's column is actually a WordPress blog. I have two of them, one for Cooper and another for personal. Have had these for years. Which means I know how WordPress operates. 
     
  • Bruce KNOWS Marla personally. He's met her at Cooper Con and spoken to her on the phone. 
     
  • He speaks of her often in Cooper-related posts on the internet. 
     
  • He has access to Marla's IP address, as well as the email address she uses to make posts on his own website. This is a basic function of a WordPress blog. He could easily verify her true identity, and if he is allowing some phony troll to post as Marla...and that person ISN'T Marla...that is Bruce's fault. 
     
  • The posts are very ugly in nature, and mention my new girlfriend (we will be engaged soon) and talks about the home where we live, and tell many lies about us and our personal living situation. 
     
  • Bruce has ignored my repeated attempts to contact him about these posts, and my concern over them. He has said publicly he is not opening the emails. 
     
  • So...my opinion is that Bruce is deliberately supporting hatred and lies about others on his own WordPress blog. 
     
  • So...my opinion is that if Cooper Con suffers as a result of his behavior...then that is HIS fault...and anyone involved in Cooper Con should blame HIM for being so foolish. 
     
  • I have absolutely no sympathy for a group who don't do a little self-policing, or use common sense when attempting to host an event where the attendees are expected to cover their own expenses, and where the public is asked to pay $20 a ticket to attend. 
     
  • The people involved in this stupidity have done this before. They have a history. 
     
  • This morning I am headed up the Little Naches for a few days and will be incommunicado. When I return, if these posts have not been removed, I WILL make certain people aware of them by internet link and screenshot. That means two reporters who will probably be covering the event, as well as the staff at the Kiggins Theater in Vancouver. 
     
  • Since the people involved in these things are obviously watching posts here at Dropzone, they will undoubtedly make ADDITIONAL nasty postings related to my post right here, right now. Which means they haven't the sense God gave a goat. 
     
  • Which also means they deserve any negativity related to the convention that happens to them. My best suggestion is that Eric Ulis contact Bruce Smith at once and tell him to remove his head from his behind before he screws up everything. AB of Seattle's position on this whole thing is that we believe Bruce Smith and Marla Cooper, as scheduled speakers at the upcoming Cooper Con, are engaged in slander against other Cooper folks, and should NOT be on the schedule on November 24th at the Kiggins Theater. I have already taken screenshots of the postings for use later. 'Later' is defined as when I return from Little Naches in a few days. Whether my protests fall on deaf ears, or whether the Kiggins staff decide they don't want to be associated with such people means zip to me. This is just something I have to do. And I will.  

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Let's just call a spade a spade.

Blevins is going to do anything he can to derail the event. There's a track record of such things. Anyone with half a brain knows that Marla isn't posting on Bruce's site. I also doubt that there are any reporters or anyone involved with the event that care about internet trolls. Most people are mature and smart enough to realize what a troll is and ignore it.

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41 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I understand where you are coming from, but consider THIS:

  • Bruce Smith's column is actually a WordPress blog. I have two of them, one for Cooper and another for personal. Have had these for years. Which means I know how WordPress operates. 
     
  • Bruce KNOWS Marla personally. He's met her at Cooper Con and spoken to her on the phone. 
     
  • He speaks of her often in Cooper-related posts on the internet. 
     
  • He has access to Marla's IP address, as well as the email address she uses to make posts on his own website. This is a basic function of a WordPress blog. He could easily verify her true identity, and if he is allowing some phony troll to post as Marla...and that person ISN'T Marla...that is Bruce's fault. 
     
  • The posts are very ugly in nature, and mention my new girlfriend (we will be engaged soon) and talks about the home where we live, and tell many lies about us and our personal living situation. 
     
  • Bruce has ignored my repeated attempts to contact him about these posts, and my concern over them. He has said publicly he is not opening the emails. 
     
  • So...my opinion is that Bruce is deliberately supporting hatred and lies about others on his own WordPress blog. 
     
  • So...my opinion is that if Cooper Con suffers as a result of his behavior...then that is HIS fault...and anyone involved in Cooper Con should blame HIM for being so foolish. 
     
  • I have absolutely no sympathy for a group who don't do a little self-policing, or use common sense when attempting to host an event where the attendees are expected to cover their own expenses, and where the public is asked to pay $20 a ticket to attend. 
     
  • The people involved in this stupidity have done this before. They have a history. 
     
  • This morning I am headed up the Little Naches for a few days and will be incommunicado. When I return, if these posts have not been removed, I WILL make certain people aware of them by internet link and screenshot. That means two reporters who will probably be covering the event, as well as the staff at the Kiggins Theater in Vancouver. 
     
  • Since the people involved in these things are obviously watching posts here at Dropzone, they will undoubtedly make ADDITIONAL nasty postings related to my post right here, right now. Which means they haven't the sense God gave a goat. 
     
  • Which also means they deserve any negativity related to the convention that happens to them. My best suggestion is that Eric Ulis contact Bruce Smith at once and tell him to remove his head from his behind before he screws up everything. AB of Seattle's position on this whole thing is that we believe Bruce Smith and Marla Cooper, as scheduled speakers at the upcoming Cooper Con, are engaged in slander against other Cooper folks, and should NOT be on the schedule on November 24th at the Kiggins Theater. I have already taken screenshots of the postings for use later. 'Later' is defined as when I return from Little Naches in a few days. Whether my protests fall on deaf ears, or whether the Kiggins staff decide they don't want to be associated with such people means zip to me. This is just something I have to do. And I will.  

It is very unlikely that troll is the real Marla.

Bruce should police it better.

But, you will be solely responsible for any actions that you take.

You over generalize blame to everyone... tossing a grenade into a crowd hoping to hit a target based on assumption is never a good strategy. 

Based on your "belief", the entire Cooper world will turn on you. You will be held 100% responsible by people who have nothing to do with that troll that has nothing to do with CooperCon..  

You can't win, if you complain about an anonymous troll and something happens everyone hates you.. if you complain and nothing happens, everyone still hates you.

 

A huge mistake...  

 

 

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1 hour ago, ParrotheadVol said:

Let's just call a spade a spade.

Blevins is going to do anything he can to derail the event. There's a track record of such things. Anyone with half a brain knows that Marla isn't posting on Bruce's site. I also doubt that there are any reporters or anyone involved with the event that care about internet trolls. Most people are mature and smart enough to realize what a troll is and ignore it.

How does 'anyone with half a brain' know it isn't Marla? Do you have inside information on this? Bruce Smith KNOWS MARLA PERSONALLY. He has interactions and discussion with and ABOUT her for years on the internet. Why would Bruce allow someone to post AS Marla...if this person were NOT Marla? Get real. 

It is not my wish to derail Cooper Con. But on the other hand, if scheduled speakers to that event are going to support on their own websites lies about others involved in the Cooper case...then the event (without any kind of sensible self-policing) deserves what it gets. 

I will be back in town on Thursday afternoon. I recommend people involved in the convention get their shit together and stop blaming me for their own behavior. Otherwise, I am well within my rights to report such behavior to the media types covering it, as well as the people sponsoring it. Stop whining and start acting sensibly. You shouldn't be talking to me. You should be talking to Eric Ulis and Bruce Smith. Quickly. 

I am no longer actively investigating the Cooper case. I don't do interviews anymore about it. I am not attending the convention. The people involved in that convention should stop worrying about me and worry about how many seats they can fill. AB of Seattle offered to promote that convention and that was rejected. I am okay with that, but I am NOT okay with the same people scheduled to speak at that convention coming after me with lies and personal attacks. And I think both the media and the public (who are being asked to shell out a whopping twenty bucks a ticket) should be made aware of things. 

If necessary. So far, it isn't necessary. But when I come back home on Thursday, it may be. I won't put up with this crap a second time. Just like I didn't put up with it when prior to the other convention these same people were calling KC a child rapist. Get it together folks. 

Just so you'll know, the UFO people and the Bigfoot folks, or the abductee folks have vastly differing opinions. But it is only the DB Cooper people who take internet garbage to the ultimate degree. Which is part of the reason I extricated myself from certain things Cooper, and closed a couple of websites. Instead of coming after me, you guys should be getting your act together and figuring out how to fill those 320 or so seats at Cooper Con. As usual, you are once again shooting yourselves in the foot and blaming others for your behavior. 

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