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QuoteSo the story begins to weave and weave and weave. If it was me, I would say my flight was delayed hours until launch at XX hours. That’s using an un-fortified version based upon my actions and nothing more. The window for Bohan’s flight has become very narrow indeed as any person who can use an E6B and read a map can tell you. Other individuals are taking bites out of their seat cushions right about now.
The old time and distance equation rules the roost here. First is the distance between Seattle and Portland which is 105 or 102 nautical miles to Battle Ground VORTAC (nee Portland) depending on which Victor airway was utilized.
Flight 305 was hanging around 170 to 185 knots indicated or 2.5 to 3 miles per minute. This is confirmed by the transcripts but if adding or subtracting 10 knots makes you feel better, go ahead. Either way you are looking at 35 minutes (plus or minus 2) for Flight 305 to arrive overhead Battle Ground VORTAC. With a launch of 7:36 you would (on average) be over Battle Ground at 8:11 PM (local). Any later and the Bohan experience becomes moot since he landed in Portland. So the absolute window of opportunity is 35 minutes. Absolute that is.
The cruise speed for a 727 with the gear and flaps retracted is somewhat more than 180 knots. Somewhat more than double that speed which cuts the total time to cover the same distance by some percentage less than 35 minutes. The takeoff and climb out for both aircraft should have been similar but cruise would have compressed time for Bohan’s flight. Narrowed more by the fact that Bohan states he was 4 minutes in trail of Flight 305.
Now for ground ops and other boring crap. Planes are in fact spaced for takeoff and landing lest airports appear like the entrance to a WalMart having a sale on those singing rubber bass or NASCAR mou-mous. The skies could fill with aircraft every 2 minutes and at various altitudes with the ability to overtake Flight 305 and experience the same weather phenomenon. There must be ample information on this subject as well.
So where, oh where is this heading? Let’s break it down. The climb out performance would be the same for these aircraft so that is cancelled out of the equation. The cruise speed for Bohan would be over double, so that would cut in half the time in that configuration (7 min climb leaves 28 for cruise or a delta of at least 14 minutes).
Bohan stated he was 4 minutes in trail and would have been held at least 2 minutes after 305’s launch for a total of 6 minutes. Adding the enhanced performance in cruise of 14 minutes totals 20 minutes which are relatively fixed (Bohan would have to take off at least 20 minutes after 305 for his story to jibe). For a journey with a total of 35 minutes, this leaves a 15 minute window of opportunity for Bohan’s plane to takeoff with the most liberal of assumptions. Have I missed anything?
so, conclusion: Bohan never existed.
Just anbohter Himmelsbach lie -
Hominid 0
QuotePeople here used to read the transcript!
You mean the one discussed in the rest of the post you replied to? As follows:
The transcript has about 19.5 pages about [edit: the first taped hour of] communications between flight 305 and ground control. All the fiasco about refuelling and getting the passengers away from the plane. About a quarter of the way through is the first reference to any closure. It was that the south 3500' (apx 20 percent) of the "other" 16 was closed.
Another quarter of the way through the transcript there was more definite about closure. "The airport's closed at this time." Then, "305 the airport's closed and we have planes holding and we need to get a few off." Ground control wanted "to put an unlighted vehicle on each side of one six left" to make sure the runway was kept clear. There must have been a bit of backup.
Shortly then, probably "Al" Lee said "I'm standing here now looking straight across towards our hangar and Alaska's. They're pumping out here right now."
Farflung 0
Gosh oh golly, georger went from saying ‘great job’ and ‘coo coo key choo’ to everyone, to being mean and un-joyful for some reason. Why goerger ….. (sob, sniff)… wha… wha….. why?
Here’s my guess. There is some ‘common sense’ data that had disrupted georger’s theory of winds gone wild over Portland. What else could it be? And why go mental over the stuff? Can’t blame PMS, or can you?
He keeps doing CPR on this maggot riddled corpse, which is Bohan’s single report of crazy winds. The FAA and NOAA reports mean nothing along with the dozens of other aircraft in the area at the time. But if anyone (I mean anyone) ever claims that the weather was bad on 24 Nov 1971, georger has found a new best friend forever, until they are outed as rouges in an assisted living facility, who escaped Tuesday night tapioca long enough to create a DropZone account and make a posting. True story.
Will georger ever admit this or come clean? He has not done this once in all of his fumbles and deceptions in which there was direct and damning evidence which proves just what nefarious depths he is willing to sink in order to advance some corroded agenda. Sad really. Oh well.
Bohan existed georger, don’t be silly. It’s parts of his story (like so many of yours) which may not or did not exist outside that self important hat holder. Hope this supplies a moment of clarity for you and others.
Here’s my guess. There is some ‘common sense’ data that had disrupted georger’s theory of winds gone wild over Portland. What else could it be? And why go mental over the stuff? Can’t blame PMS, or can you?
He keeps doing CPR on this maggot riddled corpse, which is Bohan’s single report of crazy winds. The FAA and NOAA reports mean nothing along with the dozens of other aircraft in the area at the time. But if anyone (I mean anyone) ever claims that the weather was bad on 24 Nov 1971, georger has found a new best friend forever, until they are outed as rouges in an assisted living facility, who escaped Tuesday night tapioca long enough to create a DropZone account and make a posting. True story.
Will georger ever admit this or come clean? He has not done this once in all of his fumbles and deceptions in which there was direct and damning evidence which proves just what nefarious depths he is willing to sink in order to advance some corroded agenda. Sad really. Oh well.
Bohan existed georger, don’t be silly. It’s parts of his story (like so many of yours) which may not or did not exist outside that self important hat holder. Hope this supplies a moment of clarity for you and others.
Farflung 0
Why wasn’t the ‘discovery’ of a Continental Airlines time table from 31 Oct 1971, a good job georger?
You are always looking for the truth and documented…. ummm…. documents and the time table is dropped at your cyber feet to behold. Praise be the internet! But noooooooooooo………..
You get a monster load of tude and act all, of course the airport was closed at 5:59, and that should trap the 6:10 departures. Weird, really weird and freaky that a time table would cause such a reaction from a ‘self proclaimed’ genius and smarty, McSmart, Smart. I would have assumed that you would be delighted at the very sight of such an artifact which may have even cause you to be engorged, which as you know would be a welcome experience after the last few decades.
You bought the ticket, now enjoy the ride. I did not fabricate or counterfeit that time table did I? Do you have proof or evidence otherwise? I will face your data like a man and answer all queries like a manly, man who is hunky and cool; instead of a sniveling, pusillanimous Walter Mitty who sits to pee.
So ask away about the source of my data which I already supplied a URL for any and all to review. I am genuine in the questions I ask and the information I seek. Ask me georger what confused or frightened you about the Continental Airlines schedule which I gleaned from cyberspace that caused you to lose control of your bowels before lowering your pants. I’m man enough to answer and not be evasive or run silent.
You are always looking for the truth and documented…. ummm…. documents and the time table is dropped at your cyber feet to behold. Praise be the internet! But noooooooooooo………..
You get a monster load of tude and act all, of course the airport was closed at 5:59, and that should trap the 6:10 departures. Weird, really weird and freaky that a time table would cause such a reaction from a ‘self proclaimed’ genius and smarty, McSmart, Smart. I would have assumed that you would be delighted at the very sight of such an artifact which may have even cause you to be engorged, which as you know would be a welcome experience after the last few decades.
You bought the ticket, now enjoy the ride. I did not fabricate or counterfeit that time table did I? Do you have proof or evidence otherwise? I will face your data like a man and answer all queries like a manly, man who is hunky and cool; instead of a sniveling, pusillanimous Walter Mitty who sits to pee.
So ask away about the source of my data which I already supplied a URL for any and all to review. I am genuine in the questions I ask and the information I seek. Ask me georger what confused or frightened you about the Continental Airlines schedule which I gleaned from cyberspace that caused you to lose control of your bowels before lowering your pants. I’m man enough to answer and not be evasive or run silent.
georger 197
QuoteQuotePeople here used to read the transcript!
You mean the one discussed in the rest of the post you replied to? As follows:
The transcript has about 19.5 pages about [edit: the first taped hour of] communications between flight 305 and ground control. All the fiasco about refuelling and getting the passengers away from the plane. About a quarter of the way through is the first reference to any closure. It was that the south 3500' (apx 20 percent) of the "other" 16 was closed.
Another quarter of the way through the transcript there was more definite about closure. "The airport's closed at this time." Then, "305 the airport's closed and we have planes holding and we need to get a few off." Ground control wanted "to put an unlighted vehicle on each side of one six left" to make sure the runway was kept clear. There must have been a bit of backup.
Shortly then, probably "Al" Lee said "I'm standing here now looking straight across towards our hangar and Alaska's. They're pumping out here right now."
yes I posted the sections for Farflung's complaint,
not you. You refer to the same passages. Wasnt a
criticism, Just a citation -
The question was: did they close the airport?
The transcript says they closed the airport.
Sorry for the interference!
Please continue -
georger 197
QuoteWhy wasn’t the ‘discovery’ of a Continental Airlines time table from 31 Oct 1971, a good job georger?
Damned if I know, Snowmman.
Farflung 0
Annnnnnnnnnnd……. The FAA weather reports say there were no stinkin 80 knot winds, so using the ‘georger approved’, ethos of consistency (like the transcripts saying the airport is closed), the winds were light and variable with forecast s aloft below 40 knots.
Bohan is therefore excluded as tangential and irrelevant, no matter the number of conversations with or data supplied by Bohan’s widow. So has georger written, so it is DONE! Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Bohan is therefore excluded as tangential and irrelevant, no matter the number of conversations with or data supplied by Bohan’s widow. So has georger written, so it is DONE! Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Farflung 0
Why are you so 'pee pants' afraid of that silly, little flight schedule georger? So afraid that it manifests in rage and hate and venom spewed from an appendage which must serve as a surrogate for some past fantasy which was never realized. I’m just guessing here (code for- no I’m not).
Why did the timetable make you so unhappy? Did it remind you of some forgotten feeding or prepubescent birthday which was forgotten by a mother too busy with her favorite child? I can understand such a feeling, NOT relate in any way, shape or form because I like girls and people; but I can understand where you come from.
Let all your rage and hate flow across the screen georger. We can see it and have seen it for years go unabated and without recourse. You are not alone, there are many like you in federal prisons and anger management courses who are destined for federal prisons. Be yourself…… just…. be…. oh please….. never change…… can you promise us that?
Why did the timetable make you so unhappy? Did it remind you of some forgotten feeding or prepubescent birthday which was forgotten by a mother too busy with her favorite child? I can understand such a feeling, NOT relate in any way, shape or form because I like girls and people; but I can understand where you come from.
Let all your rage and hate flow across the screen georger. We can see it and have seen it for years go unabated and without recourse. You are not alone, there are many like you in federal prisons and anger management courses who are destined for federal prisons. Be yourself…… just…. be…. oh please….. never change…… can you promise us that?
georger 197
QuoteAnnnnnnnnnnnd……. The FAA weather reports say there were no stinkin 80 knot winds, so using the ‘georger approved’, ethos of consistency (like the transcripts saying the airport is closed), the winds were light and variable with forecast s aloft below 40 knots.
Where, have I ever said any of this is true?
"georger approved’, ethos of consistency" ?
I didnt writre H's book.
Get a life!
You are soiling the wrong tree again.
If the possibility of extreme weather suddenly surfaced, it would have been transmitted through all available means including sequence reports, voice messages on the VORTAC navigation system, and probably controller to pilot communications on the ATC system. Is there any evidence that this was done?
Maybe.
Possibility vs factability.
Bohan reported it 'as it happened'.
He presumably "filed a report".
Obviously "the system" had no "possible warning".
Let the Great Flung find the report? Should be easy
for him!
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