petetheladd 0 #1 July 16, 2003 Just posting a relatively small event I had happen this weekend at the DZ. Having finished a jump and popped at 2500ft, I was collapsing the slider when I noticed an 'oddness' to the harness straps. my front riser strap was going to the rear of my rig, crossing the back riser strap, which was to the front - on both sides. Do a flare test - ok, turns not so good Considering options - its 2000, seems to flare ok - which argues for riding it in. However these forums are littered with 'someone had X happen, tried to ride it in and mangled themselves Y oh Y did they not use their perfectly good reserve'. I figured the damn packer had rotated the harness through the lines but I'll deal with him when I get down outta this jam. Flare tested it again and decided to ride it in but to be gentle with the turns. Brought it in in a long straight in approach, flared ok and stood it up. Then it was over to the packer, told him what happened and asked him to line check my canopy. Damn Dude, its got a twist in it - no shit, which was resolved by rotating my rig through the lines 1 complete revolution. Now I'm posting this in case someone else has this happen, they can benefit from my unexpected experience with a loop thru. No, Not without incident Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #2 July 16, 2003 Thats one reason why I prefer packing for myself. At least then I have only me to blame for screw ups. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skytash 0 #3 July 16, 2003 Did the same thing to myself the other day. When testing the canopy for responsiveness I was also looking at the twisted risers and was just glad that step-throughs fly and there was no need to cut-away as there seemed to be additional pressure on the cutaway cables in the risers from the twist. lesson learned - be more careful when packing! tashDon't ever save anything for a special occasion. Being alive is a special occasion. Avril Sloe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JDBoston 0 #4 July 16, 2003 Yeah, I did that once. It looked funky and I felt stupid but it flew fine. Joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #5 July 17, 2003 I have seen hundreds of students return canopies with step throughs like that. The only prevention is doing line checks EVERY time you pack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBachelor 4 #6 July 17, 2003 I had my own "twist" on that one. When I was starting out, I bought a container, but was demoing mains. When I hooked up the risers to the 3-rings, I twisted ONE of them. With about 40 or 50 jumps, it freaked me out when I saw it under canopy, but it flew fine. Then I just wanted to fix it before anyone else saw...There are battered women? I've been eating 'em plain all of these years... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #7 July 17, 2003 As an aside, evertime I toss my canopy over my shoulder to Pro pack (i.e. everytime I pack), I always lift up the top line set (the front riser set) and make sure its a clean break all the way back to my rig. Takes two seconds and always proves to me that I have no walkthroughs or anything like that... Blue Ones! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JDBoston 0 #8 July 17, 2003 Exactly... that's what I do now too. The bitch of it when I packed myself the twist was that I noticed something seemed fucked up with the line groups, but someone was talking to me while I was packing and I spaced out and forgot about it. Oops. Joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #9 July 17, 2003 Don't BASE jump then -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #10 July 17, 2003 QuoteI always lift up the top line set (the front riser set) wouldn't the top line set be the control lines? Followed by the rear riser group, then the front on the bottom? regardless, making sure that all three run back w/ no twists is the right thing to do. JoshAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #11 July 17, 2003 Ummm - (bad at visualizng canpoy)... When the canopy over my shoulder and I am facing away from my rig about to flake, I lift up the top riser line sets (rear riser I am thinking) and visually look back to see that all of the lines attaching to that riser set is up above the bottom (front) riser set... -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
petetheladd 0 #12 July 17, 2003 A regular line check would have uncovered this loop thru ( and all line problems). I hope if you are packing any rig, you know of this type of check. Packing 101 I assume my packer just "Forgot" to do it in his packing frenzy No, Not without incident Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JDBoston 0 #13 July 17, 2003 Yeah, I could end up like the BASE jumper that didn't attach his bridle/PC to the top of his canopy, but just looped it through the ring. Earlier this year I believe. No disrespect meant to that jumper or his friends/family. But that incident and ones like this should definitely make people focus on their pack jobs a bit better and not get complacent.... Joe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #14 July 17, 2003 Ummmmmm - that's what I was trying to say in my other post - I'll never run into this issue by the way I do my line check... My crapjobs open all the time! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #15 July 17, 2003 True true - I attempt to never talk to people while I'm packing. Five minutes to myself to get my packjob done is five minutes that I spend with more attention being paid to my canopy. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #16 July 17, 2003 Separating the line groups, and walking them up from the risers to the slider stops (with the slider at them) should also give you an obvious indication if you have a step through... I usually do both the walk up and visual separation check. JoshAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kyros1 0 #17 July 18, 2003 I use the brake lines as a refere ce to see if the container has twisted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #18 July 18, 2003 yep yep yep... I made the mistake of taking my d bag out of the container to clean the container and should have repacked it. Before putting it back in, it looked like the PC went thru the line set so I pulled it (OUT) except it tuned out to be thru.... My next jump, I looked up and the risers were completely twisted. The canopy looked fine otherwise so I left the brakes stowed ( it llooked like it would complicate things with the risers twisted around ) and did my checks using the rear risers. Figured I could land it as is and went for it. (that Danged BillVon, his name keeps popping in my head when the wierd stuff happens under canopy.. drives me nuts, ya know? LOL)I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
