sky_jumper22 0 #1 April 8, 2004 I was talking to someone last month who has almost 5,000 jumps and I asked them if they had any cutaways. The answer was "of course". So, should I figure that as I get more and more jumps that the chance of me getting one is unavoidable? I'm very anal when it comes to packing and I was hoping if I'm always that way then I won't have to worry about it. Anyone know the highest # of jumps with NO cutaways? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diver123 0 #2 April 8, 2004 In my humble opinion; a cutaway is no more guaranteed than it is guaranteed that you won't get one... The variables that come together to create that situation are not controllable so you just never know... :) Which is why you must ALWAYS be ready for one. The jump you take off just may be your last... "pull high! It's lower than you think..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #3 April 8, 2004 I believe a gal at our DZ has over 2,000 jumps with no cutaways. But that's rare. Pack carefully and inspect & maintain your equipment and you should be able to reduce the frequency/likelihood of cutaways. But I don't think it's ever a "0 chance" thing because sometimes shit happens. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBachelor 4 #4 April 8, 2004 I know someone with 2000+ jumps and no cutaways. I'm hoping to reach that some day. No cutaways in 840 jumps for me. On the other hand, I go into each jump thinking "this is going to be the one I have to cut away on."There are battered women? I've been eating 'em plain all of these years... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sky_jumper22 0 #5 April 8, 2004 That's usually my frame of mind too, but not to the point where I'm so preoccupied with it that it takes away from the fun of the jump. I have 201 jumps with no cutaways (knock on wood) but I'm confident that if a problem arose, I can handle it. But still my goal is to never have one. So I may take a half hour to pack my chute each time.. but peace of mind is priceless! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdy2skydive 0 #6 April 8, 2004 Someone at my DZ knows someone in excess of 10,000 jumps with no cutaways. Rare, but I guess it happens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sky_jumper22 0 #7 April 8, 2004 By the way, I hope you remain cutaway-free Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #8 April 8, 2004 Always be prepared to cutaway. In my mind someone who has 2000 jumps and no cutaways has less experience than someone who does have cutaways. They've never used their emergency procedures. I don't think there's anything to learn from having or not having cutaways. From a recent conversation w/ someone on the Pro Swoop Tour, "In 7000 jumps I never had a cutaway. In the past year or so I've had 7 since joining the factory team." I wouldn't conclude that swooping or joining a factory team has any bearing on cutaways. If you make enough jumps eventually you will have to use your emergency procedures. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sunman 0 #9 April 8, 2004 Yes. It's only a matter of time. What good is a reserve if you never get to use it? It's not there just to make your wallet lighter and your rig heavier. It's there to be used. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sky_jumper22 0 #10 April 8, 2004 You make a great point about no cutaways=less experience. I've never looked at it that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 14 #11 April 8, 2004 For me they've been inevitable. got about eight of them. What's the record for most jumps without a cutaway? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hazarrd 1 #12 April 8, 2004 theres a thread on this from a little while back, maybe someone wants to find it. .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites OnYourBack 0 #13 April 8, 2004 QuoteAlways be prepared to cutaway. You say, "In my mind someone who has 2000 jumps and no cutaways has less experience than someone who does have cutaways." but then you say "I don't think there's anything to learn from having or not having cutaways." I'm confused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #14 April 8, 2004 Separate paragraphs ergo separate thoughts. Obviously it's confusing for you. One thought is a comment on experience. The other is a epistemic comment on 'what can be learned'. The overall point is to always be prepared. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites elfanie 0 #15 April 8, 2004 QuoteAlways be prepared to cutaway. In my mind someone who has 2000 jumps and no cutaways has less experience than someone who does have cutaways. They've never used their emergency procedures. While I would like to agree with the above statement because it is being generous towards folks like myself who have had a cutaway.... I disagree. "less experience" is such a broad statement. The person who has 2000 jumps has infinately more experience than myself...because if we say "more experience" or "less experience" then you're talking generally... and they will have had much more experience in freefall than I do, and much more experience landing than I do, and much more experience under canopy than me, possibly more experience in CReW than me, more experience hooking, more experience with freeflying, more experience with relative work... I have more experience with a hard pull resulting in EPs and a reserve ride. whoop-dee-whoop. Not comparable to the person with 2000 jumps. I've just have ONE experience that they haven't had...they've had hundreds of experiences that I haven't had. Quote If you make enough jumps eventually you will have to use your emergency procedures. Ken Unfortunately, I think that's true. -------------------------------------------- Elfanie My Skydiving Page Fly Safe - Soft Landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuteless 1 #16 April 8, 2004 Ive had my fair share of cutaways...and I'll bet I am the only person to cutaway a reserve and open his main Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigG 0 #17 April 8, 2004 QuoteThe overall point is to always be prepared. I know of some one who has got 3 cutaways in his first 70 jumps at the same time there are people out there with 1000's of Jumps with very few or nil cutaways. So the moral of the story is ANY jump can be a potential cutaway, so BE PREPARED. Cutaways are not a like the black plague i.e. dont be afraid of them just be ready and prepared. They could be a good learning experience (and fun too..well sometimes.) G. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigG 0 #18 April 8, 2004 QuoteI'll bet I am the only person to cutaway a reserve and open his main Bill Cole D-41 That sounds interesting. If you dont mind, please share the details. Funny..you learn something new about this sport everyday. Edited to add: I hope you were not talking about a intentional cutaway rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuteless 1 #19 April 8, 2004 When practicing for the 1st chuteless jump, I decided to open the reserve I was going to use on the actual jump, and it blew apart, so I cutaway, and opened my Para-Commander. There must have been about 2000 holes in the reserve, little ones and big ones. It was a brand new canopy, never used before. ooooops Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites murps2000 86 #20 April 8, 2004 Nice story! Way to cheat death. Was it acid, or something? (On the reserve, not lysergic) BTW, I once met a 1st jump student who had a cutaway on all the jumps he ever did. All one of them. He left the sport with a 1:1 jump/cutaway ratio. Cutaways rule. I got to jump the Strong Tridem rig a few years back, and if I had one of those, I'd do a cutaway every weekend. Just like a balloon jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuteless 1 #21 April 8, 2004 No , I think it was a combination of my weight and the unopened main, just too much in terminal for the reserve, and it also had a line over. Actually, I like cutaways...they are a real fix (adrenalin ). Ive had about 8, and 1 reserve used when I didnt have enough alt to use a main. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vertifly 0 #22 April 8, 2004 I reached 1800 at the end of last season and haven't had a cutaway so far. The 'MAL'-bug is knocking at my conscious though. As we begin downsizing, paying for packing, and doing back-to-back loading...isn't it just a matter of time. I hope that I can be one of the few people to say that I reached 2Gs without one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuteless 1 #23 April 8, 2004 Heck man, wityh 1800 jumps, I am sure you are able to handle anything in the air. I hope you dont have to use the reserve, but in either case, best of luck. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vertifly 0 #24 April 9, 2004 Having a working parachute 1800 times in a row isn't the safest mindset to proceed with - I think. In several ways, you would probably agree, that a MAL would be good experience to have. Things have been pretty clean for me aside from an unstowed break (by my foot headdown in freefall) and once after opening. Enough to freak me out; but not enough to call a malfunction. Handling a problem isn't what I am worried about. It is the experience of having something over my head that I know, FOR SURE, I CAN'T land, then finding one that I can. I still dirt dive malfunctions quite often and always will. Whether you have had a mal or not, this should be standard practice. Thanks a lot for the confidence booster Bill! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benny 0 #25 April 9, 2004 Quote BTW, I once met a 1st jump student who had a cutaway on all the jumps he ever did. All one of them. He left the sport with a 1:1 jump/cutaway ratio. I know an AFF student who chopped on level three (this was actually like his 10th jump I believe) because of a stuck toggle. Anyway, he pulled through just fine and will continue his training. Personally I kinda look forward to a cutaway. I'd like to know that I can handle it. Right now although I want it I'm afraid of it, much like I was the first jump. Now I know I can do it (sort of) and I want to know I can still do it when the sh!t hits the fan. 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Samurai136 0 #8 April 8, 2004 Always be prepared to cutaway. In my mind someone who has 2000 jumps and no cutaways has less experience than someone who does have cutaways. They've never used their emergency procedures. I don't think there's anything to learn from having or not having cutaways. From a recent conversation w/ someone on the Pro Swoop Tour, "In 7000 jumps I never had a cutaway. In the past year or so I've had 7 since joining the factory team." I wouldn't conclude that swooping or joining a factory team has any bearing on cutaways. If you make enough jumps eventually you will have to use your emergency procedures. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunman 0 #9 April 8, 2004 Yes. It's only a matter of time. What good is a reserve if you never get to use it? It's not there just to make your wallet lighter and your rig heavier. It's there to be used. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sky_jumper22 0 #10 April 8, 2004 You make a great point about no cutaways=less experience. I've never looked at it that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #11 April 8, 2004 For me they've been inevitable. got about eight of them. What's the record for most jumps without a cutaway? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazarrd 1 #12 April 8, 2004 theres a thread on this from a little while back, maybe someone wants to find it. .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OnYourBack 0 #13 April 8, 2004 QuoteAlways be prepared to cutaway. You say, "In my mind someone who has 2000 jumps and no cutaways has less experience than someone who does have cutaways." but then you say "I don't think there's anything to learn from having or not having cutaways." I'm confused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #14 April 8, 2004 Separate paragraphs ergo separate thoughts. Obviously it's confusing for you. One thought is a comment on experience. The other is a epistemic comment on 'what can be learned'. The overall point is to always be prepared. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites elfanie 0 #15 April 8, 2004 QuoteAlways be prepared to cutaway. In my mind someone who has 2000 jumps and no cutaways has less experience than someone who does have cutaways. They've never used their emergency procedures. While I would like to agree with the above statement because it is being generous towards folks like myself who have had a cutaway.... I disagree. "less experience" is such a broad statement. The person who has 2000 jumps has infinately more experience than myself...because if we say "more experience" or "less experience" then you're talking generally... and they will have had much more experience in freefall than I do, and much more experience landing than I do, and much more experience under canopy than me, possibly more experience in CReW than me, more experience hooking, more experience with freeflying, more experience with relative work... I have more experience with a hard pull resulting in EPs and a reserve ride. whoop-dee-whoop. Not comparable to the person with 2000 jumps. I've just have ONE experience that they haven't had...they've had hundreds of experiences that I haven't had. Quote If you make enough jumps eventually you will have to use your emergency procedures. Ken Unfortunately, I think that's true. -------------------------------------------- Elfanie My Skydiving Page Fly Safe - Soft Landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuteless 1 #16 April 8, 2004 Ive had my fair share of cutaways...and I'll bet I am the only person to cutaway a reserve and open his main Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigG 0 #17 April 8, 2004 QuoteThe overall point is to always be prepared. I know of some one who has got 3 cutaways in his first 70 jumps at the same time there are people out there with 1000's of Jumps with very few or nil cutaways. So the moral of the story is ANY jump can be a potential cutaway, so BE PREPARED. Cutaways are not a like the black plague i.e. dont be afraid of them just be ready and prepared. They could be a good learning experience (and fun too..well sometimes.) G. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bigG 0 #18 April 8, 2004 QuoteI'll bet I am the only person to cutaway a reserve and open his main Bill Cole D-41 That sounds interesting. If you dont mind, please share the details. Funny..you learn something new about this sport everyday. Edited to add: I hope you were not talking about a intentional cutaway rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuteless 1 #19 April 8, 2004 When practicing for the 1st chuteless jump, I decided to open the reserve I was going to use on the actual jump, and it blew apart, so I cutaway, and opened my Para-Commander. There must have been about 2000 holes in the reserve, little ones and big ones. It was a brand new canopy, never used before. ooooops Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites murps2000 86 #20 April 8, 2004 Nice story! Way to cheat death. Was it acid, or something? (On the reserve, not lysergic) BTW, I once met a 1st jump student who had a cutaway on all the jumps he ever did. All one of them. He left the sport with a 1:1 jump/cutaway ratio. Cutaways rule. I got to jump the Strong Tridem rig a few years back, and if I had one of those, I'd do a cutaway every weekend. Just like a balloon jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuteless 1 #21 April 8, 2004 No , I think it was a combination of my weight and the unopened main, just too much in terminal for the reserve, and it also had a line over. Actually, I like cutaways...they are a real fix (adrenalin ). Ive had about 8, and 1 reserve used when I didnt have enough alt to use a main. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vertifly 0 #22 April 8, 2004 I reached 1800 at the end of last season and haven't had a cutaway so far. The 'MAL'-bug is knocking at my conscious though. As we begin downsizing, paying for packing, and doing back-to-back loading...isn't it just a matter of time. I hope that I can be one of the few people to say that I reached 2Gs without one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuteless 1 #23 April 8, 2004 Heck man, wityh 1800 jumps, I am sure you are able to handle anything in the air. I hope you dont have to use the reserve, but in either case, best of luck. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vertifly 0 #24 April 9, 2004 Having a working parachute 1800 times in a row isn't the safest mindset to proceed with - I think. In several ways, you would probably agree, that a MAL would be good experience to have. Things have been pretty clean for me aside from an unstowed break (by my foot headdown in freefall) and once after opening. Enough to freak me out; but not enough to call a malfunction. Handling a problem isn't what I am worried about. It is the experience of having something over my head that I know, FOR SURE, I CAN'T land, then finding one that I can. I still dirt dive malfunctions quite often and always will. Whether you have had a mal or not, this should be standard practice. Thanks a lot for the confidence booster Bill! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benny 0 #25 April 9, 2004 Quote BTW, I once met a 1st jump student who had a cutaway on all the jumps he ever did. All one of them. He left the sport with a 1:1 jump/cutaway ratio. I know an AFF student who chopped on level three (this was actually like his 10th jump I believe) because of a stuck toggle. Anyway, he pulled through just fine and will continue his training. Personally I kinda look forward to a cutaway. I'd like to know that I can handle it. Right now although I want it I'm afraid of it, much like I was the first jump. Now I know I can do it (sort of) and I want to know I can still do it when the sh!t hits the fan. 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Samurai136 0 #14 April 8, 2004 Separate paragraphs ergo separate thoughts. Obviously it's confusing for you. One thought is a comment on experience. The other is a epistemic comment on 'what can be learned'. The overall point is to always be prepared. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elfanie 0 #15 April 8, 2004 QuoteAlways be prepared to cutaway. In my mind someone who has 2000 jumps and no cutaways has less experience than someone who does have cutaways. They've never used their emergency procedures. While I would like to agree with the above statement because it is being generous towards folks like myself who have had a cutaway.... I disagree. "less experience" is such a broad statement. The person who has 2000 jumps has infinately more experience than myself...because if we say "more experience" or "less experience" then you're talking generally... and they will have had much more experience in freefall than I do, and much more experience landing than I do, and much more experience under canopy than me, possibly more experience in CReW than me, more experience hooking, more experience with freeflying, more experience with relative work... I have more experience with a hard pull resulting in EPs and a reserve ride. whoop-dee-whoop. Not comparable to the person with 2000 jumps. I've just have ONE experience that they haven't had...they've had hundreds of experiences that I haven't had. Quote If you make enough jumps eventually you will have to use your emergency procedures. Ken Unfortunately, I think that's true. -------------------------------------------- Elfanie My Skydiving Page Fly Safe - Soft Landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #16 April 8, 2004 Ive had my fair share of cutaways...and I'll bet I am the only person to cutaway a reserve and open his main Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigG 0 #17 April 8, 2004 QuoteThe overall point is to always be prepared. I know of some one who has got 3 cutaways in his first 70 jumps at the same time there are people out there with 1000's of Jumps with very few or nil cutaways. So the moral of the story is ANY jump can be a potential cutaway, so BE PREPARED. Cutaways are not a like the black plague i.e. dont be afraid of them just be ready and prepared. They could be a good learning experience (and fun too..well sometimes.) G. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigG 0 #18 April 8, 2004 QuoteI'll bet I am the only person to cutaway a reserve and open his main Bill Cole D-41 That sounds interesting. If you dont mind, please share the details. Funny..you learn something new about this sport everyday. Edited to add: I hope you were not talking about a intentional cutaway rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #19 April 8, 2004 When practicing for the 1st chuteless jump, I decided to open the reserve I was going to use on the actual jump, and it blew apart, so I cutaway, and opened my Para-Commander. There must have been about 2000 holes in the reserve, little ones and big ones. It was a brand new canopy, never used before. ooooops Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murps2000 86 #20 April 8, 2004 Nice story! Way to cheat death. Was it acid, or something? (On the reserve, not lysergic) BTW, I once met a 1st jump student who had a cutaway on all the jumps he ever did. All one of them. He left the sport with a 1:1 jump/cutaway ratio. Cutaways rule. I got to jump the Strong Tridem rig a few years back, and if I had one of those, I'd do a cutaway every weekend. Just like a balloon jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #21 April 8, 2004 No , I think it was a combination of my weight and the unopened main, just too much in terminal for the reserve, and it also had a line over. Actually, I like cutaways...they are a real fix (adrenalin ). Ive had about 8, and 1 reserve used when I didnt have enough alt to use a main. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vertifly 0 #22 April 8, 2004 I reached 1800 at the end of last season and haven't had a cutaway so far. The 'MAL'-bug is knocking at my conscious though. As we begin downsizing, paying for packing, and doing back-to-back loading...isn't it just a matter of time. I hope that I can be one of the few people to say that I reached 2Gs without one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #23 April 8, 2004 Heck man, wityh 1800 jumps, I am sure you are able to handle anything in the air. I hope you dont have to use the reserve, but in either case, best of luck. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vertifly 0 #24 April 9, 2004 Having a working parachute 1800 times in a row isn't the safest mindset to proceed with - I think. In several ways, you would probably agree, that a MAL would be good experience to have. Things have been pretty clean for me aside from an unstowed break (by my foot headdown in freefall) and once after opening. Enough to freak me out; but not enough to call a malfunction. Handling a problem isn't what I am worried about. It is the experience of having something over my head that I know, FOR SURE, I CAN'T land, then finding one that I can. I still dirt dive malfunctions quite often and always will. Whether you have had a mal or not, this should be standard practice. Thanks a lot for the confidence booster Bill! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benny 0 #25 April 9, 2004 Quote BTW, I once met a 1st jump student who had a cutaway on all the jumps he ever did. All one of them. He left the sport with a 1:1 jump/cutaway ratio. I know an AFF student who chopped on level three (this was actually like his 10th jump I believe) because of a stuck toggle. Anyway, he pulled through just fine and will continue his training. Personally I kinda look forward to a cutaway. I'd like to know that I can handle it. Right now although I want it I'm afraid of it, much like I was the first jump. Now I know I can do it (sort of) and I want to know I can still do it when the sh!t hits the fan. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
benny 0 #25 April 9, 2004 Quote BTW, I once met a 1st jump student who had a cutaway on all the jumps he ever did. All one of them. He left the sport with a 1:1 jump/cutaway ratio. I know an AFF student who chopped on level three (this was actually like his 10th jump I believe) because of a stuck toggle. Anyway, he pulled through just fine and will continue his training. Personally I kinda look forward to a cutaway. I'd like to know that I can handle it. Right now although I want it I'm afraid of it, much like I was the first jump. Now I know I can do it (sort of) and I want to know I can still do it when the sh!t hits the fan. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
