dubbayab 0 #1 April 15, 2004 My wife had a malfunction due to a contrived malfunction, her cutaway system failed, she had to deploy her reserve (alt. remaining) in to her main trash. Survived the spinning entanglment with a broken back. Do you think the manufacture is responsible for poor, or faulty gear. She and I are not newbies, are both Instructors, and current. I feel she did everything right, and saved her life, but the medical bill are adding up, and before I decide to point fingers, I want feedback from the community. Thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #2 April 15, 2004 QuoteMy wife had a malfunction due to a contrived malfunction not sure what this means, but did you check your gear first? had you tried the cutaway system? the only one responsible for your life once you get on the plane is you, if you didnt verify your gear worked and worked properly you have no one to blame but yourself and sueing yourself is rather pointless...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #3 April 15, 2004 First of all, I am very sorry about your wife's injuries. I hope her recovery is speedy with out complications. If you could explain what "contrived malfunction" means. Also not sure what you mean by "her cutaway system failed". SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #4 April 15, 2004 Agreed. Why was she unable to cutaway? Was the rig inspected by her prior to her jumping it? And what do you mean by 'contrived'? I hate to say it, but you may want to read the orange warning label located on the rig, or the main, or the reserve. No manufacturer guarantees the operation of their components. Also, none of the manufacturers carry insurance for just that reason...liability. If it's money you're after, it's a pointless cause.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 April 15, 2004 Was this her own personal gear? Was proper maintence done on the entire system as per the manufacture's suggestions? i.e. checking and cleaning the cutaway system every 30 days, replacing soft housings with hard housings, flexing the 3 rings every 30 days, etc. What was the "contrived malfunction?" Did she carry a hook knife as recommended by the USPA? Did she try to use the hook knife to get rid of her main at the risers? Oh, and as you know, there really isn't much money in the industry, you'll probably find that after all the court costs and everything else, all you'll be left with are more bills and a bad feeling for turning your back on the sport.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
payback462 0 #6 April 15, 2004 she took the risk, she obviously knew IT WASNT SAFE and could SERIOUSLY INJURE OR KILL her, so no, you shouldnt sue, besides that you wont get jack-shit out of anybody anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #7 April 15, 2004 Thanks, I call a line twist, or slider up, or a released brake line, or a pilot chute under a contrived mal. Scence it occured during deployment. Sorry for the confussion. It was new gear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #8 April 15, 2004 She could not use her hook knoif scence her fingures were entangled/ traped in her main suspension lines to her right leg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #9 April 15, 2004 Sorry Kris There is no Orange or any other warning lable. This was her contianer system not her canopy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kris 0 #10 April 15, 2004 QuoteShe could not use her hook knoif scence her fingures were entangled/ traped in her main suspension lines to her right leg. Huh? What happened to cause her to get into a wrap/horseshoe like that? Did she deploy unstable?Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kris 0 #11 April 15, 2004 QuoteSorry Kris There is no Orange or any other warning lable. This was her contianer system not her canopy If it's TSo'd gear it will at least be on the container.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #12 April 15, 2004 QuoteIf it's TSo'd gear it will at least be on the container And the manual. How did her hand get caught up in her lines? Did she have a premature deployment or deploy unstable? If she was unstable, was she exceeding the TSO'd speed of the container? I'm not trying to be mean, I'm really sorry this happened, but these sorts of questions are nothing, NOTHING, compared to what you would face in court.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dubbayab 0 #13 April 15, 2004 NO, it wasn't a unstable deployment, it was a partial release of the main the right side remainded attached, and just for the record she went in with ALL handles pulled, as a matter of fact, she through the reserve handle, after pulling it cause it could cause an entanglment. or so we have herd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dubbayab 0 #14 April 15, 2004 Yeah I know what your writing about it on the tag that it is tsod but no Orange warning lable. the tag in tucked in with the reserve packing data card. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #15 April 15, 2004 Would you mind telling us what happened, step by step, why you think it happened, etc? Basically, if it is a gear issue, I would really like to know about it so I'm aware of it and can investigate with my rigger if it applies to me, my fiance or the folks I know in skydiving.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites payback462 0 #16 April 15, 2004 Quote Sorry Kris There is no Orange or any other warning lable. This was her contianer system not her canopy then the container either A: was so old that the label came off which voids the TSO B: had the label cut off, which also voids the TSO C: never had a label so was never TSO'd or it does have the label but isnt smacking you in the face Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kris 0 #17 April 15, 2004 QuoteYeah I know what your writing about it on the tag that it is tsod but no Orange warning lable. the tag in tucked in with the reserve packing data card. Container: Make, model, year? Main: Make, model? Reserve: Make, model? What about the maintenance? What caused the premature release? Sorry if we seem to be hounding, but some clarification of the gear and exactly what happend would really help us to get a better picture. And I do wish her a quick and full recovery. I know this must be tough for the both of you.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dubbayab 0 #18 April 15, 2004 Payback 462, Her perticular tsod lable in inside her reserve flap with her reserve packing card, Not a Large Orange lable on the "belly " of the rig like others wrote about. That is all. I did not mean that she was jumping a :non tsod rig. Sorry it taking long for replys I have a lot to answer. I appricate yor cander but let keep it reasonable, please Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dubbayab 0 #19 April 15, 2004 Was not a premature release. She ment to cutaway. I do not plan to release the manufacture of her gear. But it is a fairly new company. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dubbayab 0 #20 April 15, 2004 I'm not trying to get rich, Kris. But IF the manufacture is at fault I want to altert the community to the problem, and cover our medical bills that is all. I have been in the sport for almost 10 years and am an Instructor.I have lost many friend, and have gained many new ones. The question I posted has not been answered by anyone yet. Should or Would you Sue? WB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hazarrd 1 #21 April 15, 2004 this is a very delicate matter. im not sure you are going to find many people that are willing to speak openly on this...im definitely not going to because i havent been in the sport too long. i hope your wife recovers ok, sorry about what happened. .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpy 0 #22 April 15, 2004 QuoteShould or Would you Sue? First of all I'm sorry about your wifes injury.. Nobody has answered this question as the circumstances of the accident have not been clearly explained... Do not release the model etc of the equipment if you do not wish to do so but a step by step explanation of the accident would be greatly appreciated and aid in answering your question... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NightJumper 0 #23 April 15, 2004 Why did her cutaway system fail? Was the system inspected after the accident by a rigger and if so what was their conclusion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 5 #24 April 15, 2004 First you say: QuoteI do not plan to release the manufacture of her gear. But it is a fairly new company. Then you say: QuoteBut IF the manufacture is at fault I want to altert the community to the problem, So which is it? You want to alert us? Or do you want to keep the manufacturer to yourself? You can't have it both ways. I will ask again. Type of Container? Type of main? Modified risers? Toggle set up? Reason for cutting away? Sequence of events? And finally, NO you should not sue. You are jumping out of airplanes. You know the risks. You teach the risks as you say you are an instructer. You know your gear can fail from unforseen events. Skydiving is risky and we all accept that risk to get the reward from skydiving.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites motherhucker 0 #25 April 15, 2004 No. I would not sue. When you jump out of an airplane of your own accord, you are accepting certain inherent risks, some of which are serious injury or death. It doesn't matter where the warning label is (or isn't) on the rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 1 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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Kris 0 #10 April 15, 2004 QuoteShe could not use her hook knoif scence her fingures were entangled/ traped in her main suspension lines to her right leg. Huh? What happened to cause her to get into a wrap/horseshoe like that? Did she deploy unstable?Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #11 April 15, 2004 QuoteSorry Kris There is no Orange or any other warning lable. This was her contianer system not her canopy If it's TSo'd gear it will at least be on the container.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 April 15, 2004 QuoteIf it's TSo'd gear it will at least be on the container And the manual. How did her hand get caught up in her lines? Did she have a premature deployment or deploy unstable? If she was unstable, was she exceeding the TSO'd speed of the container? I'm not trying to be mean, I'm really sorry this happened, but these sorts of questions are nothing, NOTHING, compared to what you would face in court.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #13 April 15, 2004 NO, it wasn't a unstable deployment, it was a partial release of the main the right side remainded attached, and just for the record she went in with ALL handles pulled, as a matter of fact, she through the reserve handle, after pulling it cause it could cause an entanglment. or so we have herd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #14 April 15, 2004 Yeah I know what your writing about it on the tag that it is tsod but no Orange warning lable. the tag in tucked in with the reserve packing data card. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #15 April 15, 2004 Would you mind telling us what happened, step by step, why you think it happened, etc? Basically, if it is a gear issue, I would really like to know about it so I'm aware of it and can investigate with my rigger if it applies to me, my fiance or the folks I know in skydiving.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
payback462 0 #16 April 15, 2004 Quote Sorry Kris There is no Orange or any other warning lable. This was her contianer system not her canopy then the container either A: was so old that the label came off which voids the TSO B: had the label cut off, which also voids the TSO C: never had a label so was never TSO'd or it does have the label but isnt smacking you in the face Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #17 April 15, 2004 QuoteYeah I know what your writing about it on the tag that it is tsod but no Orange warning lable. the tag in tucked in with the reserve packing data card. Container: Make, model, year? Main: Make, model? Reserve: Make, model? What about the maintenance? What caused the premature release? Sorry if we seem to be hounding, but some clarification of the gear and exactly what happend would really help us to get a better picture. And I do wish her a quick and full recovery. I know this must be tough for the both of you.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #18 April 15, 2004 Payback 462, Her perticular tsod lable in inside her reserve flap with her reserve packing card, Not a Large Orange lable on the "belly " of the rig like others wrote about. That is all. I did not mean that she was jumping a :non tsod rig. Sorry it taking long for replys I have a lot to answer. I appricate yor cander but let keep it reasonable, please Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #19 April 15, 2004 Was not a premature release. She ment to cutaway. I do not plan to release the manufacture of her gear. But it is a fairly new company. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubbayab 0 #20 April 15, 2004 I'm not trying to get rich, Kris. But IF the manufacture is at fault I want to altert the community to the problem, and cover our medical bills that is all. I have been in the sport for almost 10 years and am an Instructor.I have lost many friend, and have gained many new ones. The question I posted has not been answered by anyone yet. Should or Would you Sue? WB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazarrd 1 #21 April 15, 2004 this is a very delicate matter. im not sure you are going to find many people that are willing to speak openly on this...im definitely not going to because i havent been in the sport too long. i hope your wife recovers ok, sorry about what happened. .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpy 0 #22 April 15, 2004 QuoteShould or Would you Sue? First of all I'm sorry about your wifes injury.. Nobody has answered this question as the circumstances of the accident have not been clearly explained... Do not release the model etc of the equipment if you do not wish to do so but a step by step explanation of the accident would be greatly appreciated and aid in answering your question... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NightJumper 0 #23 April 15, 2004 Why did her cutaway system fail? Was the system inspected after the accident by a rigger and if so what was their conclusion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #24 April 15, 2004 First you say: QuoteI do not plan to release the manufacture of her gear. But it is a fairly new company. Then you say: QuoteBut IF the manufacture is at fault I want to altert the community to the problem, So which is it? You want to alert us? Or do you want to keep the manufacturer to yourself? You can't have it both ways. I will ask again. Type of Container? Type of main? Modified risers? Toggle set up? Reason for cutting away? Sequence of events? And finally, NO you should not sue. You are jumping out of airplanes. You know the risks. You teach the risks as you say you are an instructer. You know your gear can fail from unforseen events. Skydiving is risky and we all accept that risk to get the reward from skydiving.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
motherhucker 0 #25 April 15, 2004 No. I would not sue. When you jump out of an airplane of your own accord, you are accepting certain inherent risks, some of which are serious injury or death. It doesn't matter where the warning label is (or isn't) on the rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
