USPA/NON USPA DROP ZONE QUESTION

[namgrunt 0]

if you are a uspa member is there any reason to not jump at a non uspa dz?

can non uspa dz's be on pub. airports property?

59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT
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[beowulf 1]

I can't think of any.

[mattjw916 2]

me neither

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[lisamariewillbe 1]

well would a uspa member be covered at a non uspa dz if they needed the liability insurance?

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[f1shlips 2]

The moonshine from the USPA regulated stills won't make you go blind....


I can't think of a reason. I've jumped at Skydive Greene County which isn't a USPA dz (unless that has changed).

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[mattjw916 2]

It is my understanding that you would be covered since it is one of the individual membership benefits. I don't see any exceptions listed on the website. As long as the jump isn't illegal you should be covered. Hopefully someone else with more experience will be able to elaborate. Good question!

Remember, non-USPA dropzones aren't necessarily any more or less safe than the rest. My $0.02.

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[lisamariewillbe 1]

Id be curious to find out...

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[BillyVance 34]

West Tennessee Skydiving is a non-USPA Member DZ, and I've jumped there many times. You'll be covered as long as you follow the BSRs and FARs...

That's as far as I know.

Now, the only time I can think of when USPA refused to cover an accident was when Charlie Mullins bounced off the concrete tarmac under a double malfunction when he was 12 years old or thereabouts. He already had a ton of jumps by then, but because of his age, USPA wouldn't cover his accident.

It wasn't all bad though, he only cracked a wrist! Tough kid... It was a long time ago though...

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[AggieDave 6]

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Now, the only time I can think of when USPA refused to cover an accident was when Charlie Mullins bounced off the concrete tarmac under a double malfunction when he was 12 years old or thereabouts. He already had a ton of jumps by then, but because of his age, USPA wouldn't cover his accident.

You're making it sound like the USPA covers damage to jumpers from jumping, you know, health insurance. That's NOT what the USPA covers.

Lets say I fuck up a swoop and hit the tail of a parked 152 on the ramp. The USPA would cover the repairs of that C-152, but the repairs to my ass wouldn't be, its up to me to have my own health insurance.

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[BIGUN 1,102]

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Lets say I fuck up a swoop and hit the tail of a parked 152 on the ramp. The USPA would cover the repairs of that C-152, but the repairs to my ass wouldn't be, its up to me to have my own health insurance.

However, if a fellow skydiving USPA Member owns the C-152; is it covered?

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[AggieDave 6]

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However, if a fellow skydiving USPA Member owns the C-152; is it covered?

If its not being used for jump ops, then yes.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[BIGUN 1,102]

OK... now I'm going to have to check.. I was under the impression that if both parties were members of the USPA, that it would not apply. Kinda if one skydiver hit another skydiver's car, that it was between them.

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[namgrunt 0]

ok thanks
butttt

can non-uspa dz', be on non private airport property ,anyone know of 1

jusy curious

thanks folks

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59 YEARS,OVERWEIGHT,BALDIND,X-GRUNT
LAST MIL. JUMP VIET-NAM(QUAN-TRI)
www.dzmemories.com

[BIGUN 1,102]

Mine is a "non USPA Group Member." We are on a municipal airport, but abide by the USPA SIMS/BSR. In fact, if you check out the site www.tulsatandems.com under training, rules, etc...

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[lisamariewillbe 1]

I like that method of training, we dont have that here that I know of,

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[billvon 2,467]

>However, if a fellow skydiving USPA Member owns the C-152; is it covered?

This has happened a few times; there was some discussion over whether to try to collect the insurance. One case was the wingsuit vs. Perris otter about a year back. IIRC they did not pursue it.

[tombuch 0]

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OK... now I'm going to have to check.. I was under the impression that if both parties were members of the USPA, that it would not apply. Kinda if one skydiver hit another skydiver's car, that it was between them.

There was a very brief limitation on member to member coverage many years ago. The restriction didn't last long, but the memory of it did.

We had a visitor to The Ranch slam into a parked airplane owned by a USPA member just a couple of years ago. I remembered the restriction and told the aircraft owner that the damage would probably not be covered, but offered to contact USPA on his behalf anyway. The damage was covered. USPA does NOT provide coverage to aircraft or property involved in a jump, so damage to a jump plane being used for jump operation is not covered, but damage to a parked jump plane should be.
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Tom Buchanan
Instructor Emeritus
Comm Pilot MSEL,G
Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy

[BIGUN 1,102]

Thank you very much, Tom

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[UntamedDOG 0]

The USPA group member program is a complete and total scam. The only reason dropzones *PAY MONEY* to become a group member is for the sake of promotion.

They can have a much more expensive student progression program for AFF students. Non USPA DZ's require a 7 jump program while USPA DZ's have every jump planed until you get your "A" license (25 jumps) They make double the money, period.

It's all bullshit. It would be different if the USPA actually had some system of auditing these group member DZ's but that never happens. In no way are group members safer than non-members.

[mjosparky 3]

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well would a uspa member be covered at a non uspa dz if they needed the liability insurance?

Read the part on your USPA membership card. It says "while the member is jumping at a sanctioned drop zone."

Problem is it does not say sanctioned by whom.

Sparky

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[AggieDave 6]

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The only reason dropzones *PAY MONEY* to become a group member is for the sake of promotion.

Wrong!

Ever try to get insurance on a jump plane? A lot of times the underwriters requires a USPA membership or the rates go WAY up. By the way, you can't really shop around for insurance on a jump plane either, there are only 3 underwriters (if I remember correctly there are only 3, I know there aren't more then 5).

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They can have a much more expensive student progression program for AFF students. Non USPA DZ's require a 7 jump program while USPA DZ's have every jump planed until you get your "A" license (25 jumps) They make double the money, period.

Uhh...the ISP isn't required, there's a short 2 page card that is more often then not, filled out at the completion of the DZ's individual student progression.

You know, I got my license under the pre-ISP system, then it took me a long time to warm up to the ISP. What did it for me was seeing students with 20 jumps that had good coaching and good instruction with the ISP and the coach system that were better fliers then I was at 100 jumps.

Its all about the DZ's commitment to excellence in their coaches and instruction staff. For instance, if you have your coach rating don't expect to be a coach at my DZ. You have to either be a very good flier or had gone through SDU and be a good flier. You also have to teach exactly what the other coaches and instructors teach so we have a seemless program between instructors and coaches. The end product are students that are incredibly knowledgeable and good fliers for their 25 or so jumps.

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[lisamariewillbe 1]

At the very least we get a awesome magizine every month...

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[WeakMindedFool 0]

lol...that's funny, bullshit, but funny!

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[jlmiracle 7]

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well would a uspa member be covered at a non uspa dz if they needed the liability insurance?

yes

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[jlmiracle 7]

Billy, what property damage occured when charlie did this?

j

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