popsjumper 2 #1 June 20, 2006 Is it just me or what.... Why is it that we see so many questions about stuff that's right there in the SIM? Doesn't anyone read the freakin' manual anymore? Is it all about just getting someone to tell you the info instead of reading it yourself? I mean we're happy to help and teach them but geez, shouldn't there be some interest in helping themselves, too? It seems that this goes in cycles where some years people research for themselves and some years it's back to being dependent on others....Ahhhh such is life.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #2 June 20, 2006 What's a SIM? When I first reat the Subject: RTFM I did'nt get it, now I have a sore tummy from laughing (very clever), still better than situps... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #3 June 20, 2006 Rent The Fucking Movie? WHAT movie? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kai2k1 0 #4 June 20, 2006 Read The Fucking Manual There's no truer sense of flying than sky diving," Scott Cowan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JYorkster 0 #5 June 20, 2006 Thank you, thank you, thank you! There is some great info here, but it's become so buried under the same old questions about readily available information that it's become not worth the time to wade through it all. People, the SIM is free for download at www.uspa.org. There is plenty of other info out there on the net as well. Please do some research on your own before coming here to cry for help. That is all... Rock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #6 June 20, 2006 QuotePeople, the SIM is free for download at www.uspa.org. There is plenty of other info out there on the net as well. Please do some research on your own before coming here to cry for help. AND if you use the digital version (PDF) there is a search so you can find your answers easily, probably as easy if not easier than making a post here and faster than waiting for a correct reply while everyone gets their groove on... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #7 June 21, 2006 I just don't think it's stressed enough. So many people are used to trying to figure their iPods and table-saws out on their own that when they have a rig in their hands... they do the same. Too many people lack that intellectual curiosity about the way things work. I've read the SIM carefully and use it for reference whenever I have a question. I've also read the manuals on every piece of skydiving equipment I own [which is limited at this point, but nonetheless]. The bummer is that when somebody responds to a question with "did you read the manual?" or "did you do a search?", they'll get yelled at for being a dick and not helping. Aye. I agree. RTFM.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
godfrog 2 #8 June 21, 2006 My religion dont allow me to RTFM. And its easier to play dumb anyway.Experience is a difficult teacher, she gives you the test first and the lesson afterward Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #9 June 21, 2006 QuoteWhat's a SIM? Ahhhh...how many times have we heard that....My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,260 #10 June 21, 2006 QuoteAhhhh...how many times have we heard that.... Not to undermine the original point but quite a few times it is from non US jumpers. I've seen a lot of questions from international jumpers asking am I allowed to do XYZ that are answered with 'the BSR's or FAR's say.....' which is totally irrelevant.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #11 June 21, 2006 and how right you are...not distracting at all. The implication pertained to those in the US, obviously.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #12 June 21, 2006 Quote AND if you use the digital version (PDF) there is a search so you can cind your answers easily, probably as easy if not easier than making a post here... AND you can search the online version too using Google. Just add "site:uspa.org" (note - no spaces anywhere!) after your search query.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Armour666 0 #13 June 21, 2006 lol this is a funny thread as I"m new to jumping and was thinking the same thing. hummm I guess self reliance on learning criticle information is a bit to much for some SO this one time at band camp..... "Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #14 June 21, 2006 How about the SIM on Audio Book fer all dem lazy bastids out dere? Call Simon and Schuster Huked un phunix rully wurked fer me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #15 June 21, 2006 I mean we're happy to help and teach them but geez, shouldn't there be some interest in helping themselves, too? Great point!!!! Most know the answer but want to get a rise from our forums to argue ppl's answers. The bottom line is that BSR's were not pulled from where the sun don't shine. They were compiled from (pioneers) skydivers. The SIMS was NOT written by a politician.... we wrote it so Therefore READ IT. nuf said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 561 #16 June 21, 2006 FARs and BSRs are written in blood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 561 #17 June 21, 2006 When training new riggers, I tell them that the easiest way to know more than the average skydiver is to read a few manuals. The best place to find manuals is in a DZ trash can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #18 June 21, 2006 QuoteFARs and BSRs are written in blood. Human blood? Whose? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #19 June 21, 2006 QuoteRead The Fucking Manual Repeat The Fucking MISTAKE???? C'mon dude, I was kidding... I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #20 June 21, 2006 Quote..Human blood? Whose? It's gotta be that I don't know you yet and that I am simply reading you wrong...literary sarcasm or just being obtuse?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #21 June 21, 2006 QuoteQuote..Human blood? Whose? It's gotta be that I don't know you yet and that I am simply reading you wrong...literary sarcasm or just being obtuse? If there is one thing I almost never am, its obtuse. If I had to guess, it was written in Don's blood but since he is dead I probably cannot say that but since he and I were friends he probably wouldent mind - so here goes, no wait, I already did it...Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfrese 0 #22 June 21, 2006 Never mind the SIM, look at how many people don't bother to read the manuals on their container, canopy, or AAD? How many incidents in the last couple years (e.g. the German demo and the Perris jumper) could have been prevented if people just understood how their freakin' CYPRES worked? It's something I always try to drill into students heads, but it doesnt seem to get through to many people.Doctor I ain't gonna die, Just write me an alibi! ---- Lemmy/Slash Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #23 June 21, 2006 QuoteNever mind the SIM, look at how many people don't bother to read the manuals on their container, canopy, or AAD? How many incidents in the last couple years (e.g. the German demo and the Perris jumper) could have been prevented if people just understood how their freakin' CYPRES worked? It's something I always try to drill into students heads, but it doesnt seem to get through to many people. well, don't bother looking for up-to-date canopy manuals... I hear that some of them either don't exist or are horribly outdated. see this... http://dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2289426;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfrese 0 #24 June 21, 2006 Regrettably true. I included canopies in there knowing full well that they're never up to date due to various issues (legal being a primary one), but at the very least, you get a lot of packing tips and get to see what people wore to pack back in 1988. Doctor I ain't gonna die, Just write me an alibi! ---- Lemmy/Slash Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crum 0 #25 June 21, 2006 I am proud to have a SIM and read it occasionally.... however, damn thing has literally put me to sleep...I'll stick to the PDF and that search..... lets face it we are all lazy and dont want to work for our answers.... a former school teacher told me " Its not that you know it ALL, it that you know where to go to find the answers...." ******Today is one day too late.******** Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
