half-a-greek 0 #26 December 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteI was just thinking about this and I decided to see what the masses think. I currently fly a Triathlon 175 I'm loaded at about 1.32 with 83 jumps under my belt. What do you think about me trading that up for a Stiletto 150? I would be loaded at about 1.5 Thoughts? opinions? According to the Stiletto wing loading chart on the PD website, if you were to jump a 150 at your current weight that would put you in the expert category. I have a feeling you knew the answer before you posted and are just trolling. To an extent, yes I was, but by asking a dumb question I've learned a few things. Some of the answers I knew, but some other things never occurred to me. One thing to add though. I ended up buying a 175 because while in the renting stage my DZ had a Sabre 2 210 and 170, the 190 was being ordered. so after a few jumps on the 210 I switched to the 170 (I weighed less then btw). I got used to it and when going to buy my rig, I found a complete package with a 175. The container is tight tho, so up-sizing would call for a new container. I don't have the coin to swap out all of my gear, so I think I'm kinda stuck with what I've got... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pinkfairy 0 #27 December 16, 2009 Wow. I have 350 jumps and don't have that wingload or planform... Relax, you can die if you mess up, but it will probably not be by bullet. I'm a BIG, TOUGH BIGWAY FORMATION SKYDIVER! What are you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 0 #28 December 16, 2009 Quote Wow. I have 350 jumps and don't have that wingload or planform... No way this guy is for real...... please tell me he isn't. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #29 December 16, 2009 QuoteThe container is tight tho, so up-sizing would call for a new container. I don't have the coin to swap out all of my gear, so I think I'm kinda stuck with what I've got... If you want to upsize and stay with your current container, try either a PD Pulse or Aerodyne canopy made out of zpX. Both canopies use a fabric that packs smaller in a given size. Regarding canopy sizing, I have never heard someone say that when the fit hits the shan, they wish they had a smaller canopy. A little extra fabric over your head is a good thing.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,463 #30 December 16, 2009 >Is it better to downsize on a semi-elliptical then switch to an elliptical, >or would it be better to switch to a bigger elliptical, then downsize on it? Either way. The safest way would be to switch to a bigger elliptical and downsize on it - but transitioning to a same-sized elliptical and spending a bunch of jumps on that isn't too bad of an option. In _general_ you don't get much of an increase in speed, so the time you have to set up for landing and generally keep your brain one step ahead of the canopy is the same. However, mistakes become more costly, so you do need to be pretty well practiced on the lower performance canopy before switching. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jacketsdb23 45 #31 December 16, 2009 1.32 is an aggressive wing loading but not armageddon even at 83 jumps. Stick with the 1.3 for awhile. It can be done safely depending on the pilot/attitude. I did it with a safire 159 sub 100 jumps and it worked out well. I got advice and was 'conservative' with it. Your definition of the word may vary. Stop even thinking about the stiletto for now. The fact that you are asking says you aren't ready. I don't know of many places you would be allowed to jump a Stiletto at 83 jumps. Take that into consideration.Losers make excuses, Winners make it happen God is Good Beer is Great Swoopers are crazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #32 December 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteThe container is tight tho, so up-sizing would call for a new container. I don't have the coin to swap out all of my gear, so I think I'm kinda stuck with what I've got... If you want to upsize and stay with your current container, try either a PD Pulse or Aerodyne canopy made out of zpX. Both canopies use a fabric that packs smaller in a given size. Regarding canopy sizing, I have never heard someone say that when the fit hits the shan, they wish they had a smaller canopy. A little extra fabric over your head is a good thing. Yes... what monkey said about the new ZpX materials. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me if you are switching sizes you're only going up. You should seriously be upsizing right now regardless. And I really don't mean this in a bitchy way, but if I were working manifest at your dropzone I would not let you jump that gear with your experience. It's is seriously the begining of a wet spot story that could end in your untimely death. Being out a little extra coin is not worth your life-- trust me!!! Sell the container you have, rent for a few jumps here or there to get you through in between, and then get gear that is right for your experience. I'm loaded about 1:1 right now and I couldn't imagine loading something any higher let alone loading a stilletto higher!!Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #33 December 17, 2009 QuoteRegarding canopy sizing, I have never heard someone say that when the fit hits the shan, they wish they had a smaller canopy. A little extra fabric over your head is a good thing. I have heard and used variations of this statement for years. And it has not lost its validity. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohanW 0 #34 December 17, 2009 QuoteI'm loaded about 1:1 right now and I couldn't imagine loading something any higher let alone loading a Stiletto higher!!In his defence, there is a difference between a 135 loaded 1:1 and a 175 loaded 1:1. This does *not* mean a [email protected] is a good idea at under a 100 jumps .. Small girls have different problems than big boys do. Both can make problems for themselves though.Johan. I am. I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 145 #35 December 17, 2009 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safety/detail_page.cgi?ID=47 worth its weight in gold. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amstalder 0 #36 December 17, 2009 QuoteIn his defence, there is a difference between a 135 loaded 1:1 and a 175 loaded 1:1. This does *not* mean a [email protected] is a good idea at under a 100 jumps .. Small girls have different problems than big boys do. Both can make problems for themselves though. So true, a lot of people told me my first canopy I should be 1:1... I dont think they realized that would put me on a 120... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para5-0 0 #37 December 17, 2009 For Sale: Two 92 Sq./Ft. Xaos 27 cell. 1750.00 for both..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #38 December 18, 2009 QuoteQuoteI'm loaded about 1:1 right now and I couldn't imagine loading something any higher let alone loading a Stiletto higher!!In his defence, there is a difference between a 135 loaded 1:1 and a 175 loaded 1:1. This does *not* mean a [email protected] is a good idea at under a 100 jumps .. Small girls have different problems than big boys do. Both can make problems for themselves though. VERY true.... very very true, but at the time I made that transition at the particular dropzone that was my home at the time made the 1:1 loading on a 135 lesser of an evil than getting pushed back in high winds (which were often on this coastal DZ) on a 170, or even a 150. It was a tough call that was talked about with many of instructors and thought about for a very long time. I will be on this canopy for a VERY long time. (edited to add: all of this is also the reason why I choose a very square canopy.)Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #39 December 18, 2009 Quote http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safety/detail_page.cgi?ID=47 worth its weight in gold. how much is 41.3KB in "weight"!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tuna-Salad 0 #40 December 18, 2009 another downsizing thread? Why couldnt you just do a search for and read the other 10,000 threads on the same subject and draw your own conclusions? More importantly.. ask the instructors at your DZ, not a bunch of people you likely don't know from the internet. All kinds of poor information can be dispensed here. Personally, it's my life, I'm the one flying the canopy, I wouldnt take advice that could possibly get me killed from someone I know nothing about.Millions of my potential children died on your daughters' face last night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #41 December 19, 2009 Quote Quote http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safety/detail_page.cgi?ID=47 worth its weight in gold. how much is 41.3KB in "weight"!? A dollar two ninety eight.SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #42 December 21, 2009 Quote Quote Quote http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safety/detail_page.cgi?ID=47 worth its weight in gold. how much is 41.3KB in "weight"!? A dollar two ninety eight.Sparky “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
