veter_ 0 #1 July 28, 2005 By "hard opening" I mean an opening that at least causes pain. Divide the number of jumps you made on a canopy other than Sabre 2 or Sabre 1 by the number of hard openings, and choose the closest number from the poll options. If you jump Sabre 2, please respond to the poll "I jump Sabre 2 and have a hard opening in X jumps (on average)" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #2 July 28, 2005 I voted never (knock on wood). One word: Spectre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FrogNog 1 #3 July 28, 2005 My only jump on a Lotus 190 beat me like I was an ugly red-headed stepchild. I opened it at 8k msl and I probably packed it wrong, but it was still a week before I was right again. My Hornet 190 opened painfully hard a few times but I think that's under control. About 150 openings since the last. As a student I got a lot of painful crotch-bruising openings on skymasters. I didn't count those because I usually didn't pack them. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 0 #4 July 28, 2005 Ditto. But then I'm not sure that either of us have a statistically significant number of jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #5 July 29, 2005 I got the shit smacked out of me on a couple of occasions by a ZP.EXE so I bought a Pilot. I figured it was more that canopy than the design though. Extreme packing would alleviate the problem. Anyone want to buy a lovely well behaved ZP.EXE...? great canopy... no...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 0 #6 July 29, 2005 Had a couple really hard openings on a Lightning and Diamant Seriously, the PdF Merit 190 I jumped when I was working my way down from student canopies has given me 2 way-too-hard openings in 11 jumps ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 24 #7 July 29, 2005 I've had hard openings on all my canopies: Sabre 1 210 Sabre 1 170 Diablo 170 Stiletto 170 Sam 150 The Sam 135 only has about 100 jumps on it now and I havent had a hard one yet, but, I probably will.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 135 #8 July 29, 2005 i voted 300, 2 hard ones, VERY hard.. on my Safire2... Never blamed it on the canopy... Since then I learned how to quarter a slider Now all my openings are smooth as warm butter.... scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,149 #9 July 29, 2005 I've had 2 slammers (well, 3 if you count the no-suit terminal opening on an unmodified 24' round ) in almost 1000 jumps on squares. A Firefly and a Diablo. The Firefly was definitely my own packing mistake, the Diablo was just bad luck -- it's been lovely otherwise. Shit happens. If it happens really often, you might need to look at where you're standing... Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 24 #10 July 29, 2005 QuoteShit happens. If it happens really often, you might need to look at where you're standing... Very good way of saying it Wendy! Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Reginald 0 #11 August 1, 2005 So based on the results so far it looks like the Sabre 2 is the safest canopy ever made. All other canopies open hard on average once ever 157.7 jumps. Yea for Sabre 2! Geeze… your rants make me believe the old adage that “people will believe what they want to believe regardless of what the facts are.” Let me think just off the top of my head I know people that have recently had hard openings on Stiletto’s, Spectre’s, Pilot’s, Sabre 1’s, and Safire 2’s. It can happen on any canopy any time. There are now over 6,000 Sabre 2’s on the market, that is probably more than any other canopy still in the air. Most of them are going to low time jumpers as it is a reasonably mid range performance canopy. Most of the hard openings I’ve heard of are from beginners packing for themselves…what could go wrong there?!?!?!? Beyond that the rate of hard openings appears to be no different than any other canopy. I’ve put almost 600 jumps on Sabre 2’s. The only hard opening I’ve ever had was directly due to my packing error when I was learning to pack. All I need to do to get an 800 foot snivel is to make sure the slider is firmly against the stops…guess what I do now every time I pack."We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Salsa_John 0 #12 August 3, 2005 QuoteI voted never (knock on wood). One word: Spectre I have had one but never as hard as my old Sabre Love my Spectre "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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FrogNog 1 #3 July 28, 2005 My only jump on a Lotus 190 beat me like I was an ugly red-headed stepchild. I opened it at 8k msl and I probably packed it wrong, but it was still a week before I was right again. My Hornet 190 opened painfully hard a few times but I think that's under control. About 150 openings since the last. As a student I got a lot of painful crotch-bruising openings on skymasters. I didn't count those because I usually didn't pack them. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 0 #4 July 28, 2005 Ditto. But then I'm not sure that either of us have a statistically significant number of jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #5 July 29, 2005 I got the shit smacked out of me on a couple of occasions by a ZP.EXE so I bought a Pilot. I figured it was more that canopy than the design though. Extreme packing would alleviate the problem. Anyone want to buy a lovely well behaved ZP.EXE...? great canopy... no...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #6 July 29, 2005 Had a couple really hard openings on a Lightning and Diamant Seriously, the PdF Merit 190 I jumped when I was working my way down from student canopies has given me 2 way-too-hard openings in 11 jumps ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #7 July 29, 2005 I've had hard openings on all my canopies: Sabre 1 210 Sabre 1 170 Diablo 170 Stiletto 170 Sam 150 The Sam 135 only has about 100 jumps on it now and I havent had a hard one yet, but, I probably will.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #8 July 29, 2005 i voted 300, 2 hard ones, VERY hard.. on my Safire2... Never blamed it on the canopy... Since then I learned how to quarter a slider Now all my openings are smooth as warm butter.... scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,149 #9 July 29, 2005 I've had 2 slammers (well, 3 if you count the no-suit terminal opening on an unmodified 24' round ) in almost 1000 jumps on squares. A Firefly and a Diablo. The Firefly was definitely my own packing mistake, the Diablo was just bad luck -- it's been lovely otherwise. Shit happens. If it happens really often, you might need to look at where you're standing... Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #10 July 29, 2005 QuoteShit happens. If it happens really often, you might need to look at where you're standing... Very good way of saying it Wendy! Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reginald 0 #11 August 1, 2005 So based on the results so far it looks like the Sabre 2 is the safest canopy ever made. All other canopies open hard on average once ever 157.7 jumps. Yea for Sabre 2! Geeze… your rants make me believe the old adage that “people will believe what they want to believe regardless of what the facts are.” Let me think just off the top of my head I know people that have recently had hard openings on Stiletto’s, Spectre’s, Pilot’s, Sabre 1’s, and Safire 2’s. It can happen on any canopy any time. There are now over 6,000 Sabre 2’s on the market, that is probably more than any other canopy still in the air. Most of them are going to low time jumpers as it is a reasonably mid range performance canopy. Most of the hard openings I’ve heard of are from beginners packing for themselves…what could go wrong there?!?!?!? Beyond that the rate of hard openings appears to be no different than any other canopy. I’ve put almost 600 jumps on Sabre 2’s. The only hard opening I’ve ever had was directly due to my packing error when I was learning to pack. All I need to do to get an 800 foot snivel is to make sure the slider is firmly against the stops…guess what I do now every time I pack."We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salsa_John 0 #12 August 3, 2005 QuoteI voted never (knock on wood). One word: Spectre I have had one but never as hard as my old Sabre Love my Spectre "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
