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QuoteI preferred to eat the rude. '
Rude bits.... he liked to eat the rude bits of people .... just saying
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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
swoopfly 5
We're all a bunch of kids in a sandbox, of all different backgrounds, personalities, and life experiences and values. It's amazing it works at all.
erdnarob 1
Everything is in the attitude. You found him arrogant. If the experienced jumper wanted to keep it as a two way, he could have said : "We keep it as a two way because it's like a coaching jump". I guess he didn't give you that kind of answer. He could also add that later he would appreciate you to join them. Having a B license and more than hundred jumps makes you able to do formation skydiving.
But don't worry too much. That kind of people is everywhere and is generally a minority. They are very damaging for the sport, its spirit and belly flying retention. Be more determined and avoid those people. If you come at the Summerfest at Skydive Chicago next year, it will be a honor for me to jump with you.
Once in Florida at Z-Hills 2 years ago, I spotted a group of jumpers doing 8 to 10 way and they were doing it for fun. I went to the group organizer, showed him my logbook describing the formations I had done (8, 16, 32, 47, 54, 69 way...) name it. This organizer had no place for me including a friend of mine with similar experience and skill. The worst of all is when I learned that he was canadian like me. You have assholes everywhere even in Canada.
QuoteAnd I got bumped off in the middle of the dirt dive! I left the DZ fuming, with my finger in the air.
Again, try to see it from the other jumper's point of view:
You may be good, but the organizer doesn't know it, and when he's organizing, he's got every right in the world to cut you from his dive. Part of organizing good dives is choosing participants. Some organizers let everyone on, some are more selective. You can't call him arrogant for being selective, he's just making different types of dives that are appreciated by some.
He's doing something productive and organizes. What about you organize smaller jumps with the people who can't get on the selective guy's jumps?
And also: This is a small, small sport. I used to hope that all the arrogant, stupid and cocky skydivers would quit, but that isn't happening. There will always be people I don't like in this sport. but the good thing is that I like the vast majority, and the people I don't like I'll just have to deal with it if I'm going to be in the same plane as them. And skydivers are different, some people will invest a lot of time and money in the sport, others don't. People are interested in different dicsiplines, some like swooping, others couldn't care less. Let them do their thing.
I hope this made sense. I found the advice printed on a sticker that they sold at Square1 useful: "Jump more bitch less".
I'm a BIG, TOUGH BIGWAY FORMATION SKYDIVER! What are you?
billvon 2,473
Might have been a very good idea if the experienced jumper/coach had a specific dive in mind.
>WTF? This was about 20 minutes before their load, so it wasn't as I was
>asking to jump at last minute and was messing up their dive plan.
?? Do you know what their plan was? If not, then how do you know you weren't "messing it up?"
>I simply asked if I could join their 2way, and his response was so full
>of arrogance, it really rubbed me the wrong way.
Based on what he said, there was nothing at all arrogant about it. You don't have the right to get on any jump you want.
These folks paid their $$$ for the jump. They should be free to do whatever they want within the allowed parameters of DZ/UPSA/FAA, blah blah. They don't owe you any other fun jumper a right to jump with them. Whatever their reasons may be, I cannot imagine how "No that's ok, we'll just keep it at a 2way" is a rude response. He just told him that he wants to keep it a two way. No one owes an explanation of WHY - whatever the reasoning may be.
jumping with others is cool.
jumping with new people is cool
but no one is entitled to either.
maybe these dudes have been talking about that two-way throughout the whole workweek, and got their dive plan down.
maybe those dudes are just assholes.
either one doesn't entitle you to a right to jump with them.
QuoteLet me throw in the sometimes very necessary "HARDEN THE FUCK UP, CUPCAKE".
These folks paid their $$$ for the jump. They should be free to do whatever they want within the allowed parameters of DZ/UPSA/FAA, blah blah. They don't owe you any other fun jumper a right to jump with them. Whatever their reasons may be, I cannot imagine how "No that's ok, we'll just keep it at a 2way" is a rude response. He just told him that he wants to keep it a two way. No one owes an explanation of WHY - whatever the reasoning may be.
jumping with others is cool.
jumping with new people is cool
but no one is entitled to either.
maybe these dudes have been talking about that two-way throughout the whole workweek, and got their dive plan down.
maybe those dudes are just assholes.
either one doesn't entitle you to a right to jump with them.
Well, you and a few others aren't understanding something..I NEVER said i felt i was ENTITLED to a jump with them. All I'm saying is there are different ways to respond and communicate, and that wasn't the best way.
it's skydiving - sensitive people don't belong in this sport. You have to be able to tolerate cock-n-balls and tits afterhours, as well as what one may perceive as the wrong tone of voice during the business hours.
Otherwise I recommend to buy two pairs of slacks and take up golfing on the weekends.
In a more PC sense what I mean is that what you took as condescending may not have been meant to be.
Quoteit's skydiving - sensitive people don't belong in this sport. You have to be able to tolerate cock-n-balls and tits afterhours, as well as what one may perceive as the wrong tone of voice during the business hours.
Otherwise I recommend to buy two pairs of slacks and take up golfing on the weekends.
You're the guy I'm talking about! I'm betting you were the playground bully. And, I may be going out on a limb when I say you can't think of a single reason to let someone merge into your lane.
You can't claim this entire sport as your own, just because you aren't mature enough to behave decently. But you certainly have the option of surrounding yourself with like-minded individuals at the DZ.
I have seen very experiened skydivers wander to the loading area or hop on a load by themselves and ask others if they can get in on their skydive. In one example, the skydiver was a recent US Nationals medal-winner and was asking to get in on a planned jump with others while on the ride to altitude. We politely said no. The jumper took it very well and simply hit up another group. Ironically, it was one of his team-mates who was on the plane at the time who made a snide remark about our response.
Far too often, low-timers get excited about the chance to jump with these more experienced skydivers and throw their plans out the door.
You did approach them far enough in advance that they may have been able to change their plans to make it a 3-way, but have some respect for their plans.
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