wmw999 2,334 #1 Posted January 4, 2020 LA Times article on minority traffic stops It’s probably true just about everywhere. California isn’t trying to hide it. I see that as a positive. If someone doesn’t admit the possibility of error, improvement is impossible Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #2 January 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, wmw999 said: LA Times article on minority traffic stops It’s probably true just about everywhere. California isn’t trying to hide it. I see that as a positive. If someone doesn’t admit the possibility of error, improvement is impossible Wendy P. I have no data but just making observations as I drive around, I'm sure Chicago is the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,571 #3 January 5, 2020 But on the bright side of racism this week: https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/01/03/bias-opioid-prescribing-black-americans Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #4 January 13, 2020 On 1/4/2020 at 6:42 PM, wmw999 said: If someone doesn’t admit the possibility of error, improvement is impossible Ya, I've been telling you people what the problem is, but you won't fucking listen. . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #5 January 13, 2020 On 1/4/2020 at 6:54 PM, kallend said: I have no data Ya, cause people like you're still stuck in the 60s and it fucked up your heads. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #7 January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Coreece said: Ya, cause people like you're still stuck in the 60s and it fucked up your heads. There is a real difference between anecdote and data. I'm honest enough to admit it. You should try. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,613 #8 January 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Coreece said: Ya, I've been telling you people what the problem is, but you won't fucking listen. . . 1 hour ago, Coreece said: Ya, cause people like you're still stuck in the 60s and it fucked up your heads. And this, Dear Turtlespeed, is why you'll likely never again get to be the least interesting poster on DZ.com. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 201 #9 January 13, 2020 The data provided in the article is missing an important component...effectiveness. What percentage of the stops resulted in an arrest? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,334 #10 January 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Coreece said: Ya, I've been telling you people what the problem is, but you won't fucking listen. . . Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,334 #11 January 13, 2020 55 minutes ago, airdvr said: The data provided in the article is missing an important component...effectiveness. What percentage of the stops resulted in an arrest? Well, the reason for arrest can be arbitrary ("mouthing off" like Sandra Bland), but: Quote The report also found a disparity in consequences. While white drivers were more likely than black motorists to receive citations, they are less likely to be arrested. Black drivers were cited in about 37% of stops and arrested in about 15% of incidents. White drivers were arrested in about 11% of stops, but cited in a higher proportion. Overall, drivers perceived as of Middle Eastern or South Asian descent were most likely to receive a ticket, with more than 60% being cited after a stop, compared with about half of white drivers. So African American drivers were least likely to have actually been committing a traffic infraction (ergo the lowest citation rate), but most likely to have been arrested. They don't show the arrest statistics for the ME or South Asian stops, so we can't compare across the board. But it looks as though DWB was, in fact, the reason for stopping at least some African American drivers (otherwise they'd be ticketed more closely in percentage to other visually-differentiable ethnic groups). And I know that DWB is more likely to lead to being asked to exit the vehicle and searched, just from personal conversations. Would it be surprising if that fact were to frustrate and anger some people? Kind of like conservatives being attacked on their gun ownership? Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 321 #12 January 13, 2020 hard to say without all the numbers but, on the surface at least, it looks like the percentages for folks being arrested is pretty close, at least for whites and blacks at 11 and 15%. that may fit into the error rate but again, without the numbers it is hard to tell. i would say that although being black would get you stopped more frequently, the arrest part has more to do with warrants or other illegal activity which is comparable to being white, with maybe a slight increase. i would have thought it was more than that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,480 #13 January 14, 2020 The difference between an 11% arrest rate and a 15% arrest rate is over 25%. Over one quarter more blacks are arrested. Or 3/4 the number of whites are arrested, compared to blacks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #14 January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, wolfriverjoe said: The difference between an 11% arrest rate and a 15% arrest rate is over 25%. Over one quarter more blacks are arrested. Or 3/4 the number of whites are arrested, compared to blacks. What are the arrests for though? Are they oustanding warrants or new charges? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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