Trump blocks veterans

[RonD1120 58]

Skwrl

***So far President Trump is . . . in favor by the majority.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html

Are there elves and orcs in the fantasy land that you live in?

I believe the subject was veterans.

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[ryoder 1,412]

DJL

He's the damned President and if he uses smoke signals to say something it's the President's statement. Just because people can't wrap your heads around modern electronics doesn't mean they can play ignorant to messages that our President makes. Trump saying something online is not different than Trump saying something in the Rose Garden with microphones in front of him or to an aide, a reporter, a homeless man on the street. It's a metaphorical megaphone of the modern age. He's not a private citizen anymore, he's the chief ambassador of the entire country.

Exactly. He can:
- Speak publicly on a podium.
- Submit text to a newspaper or book publisher to be printed.
- Do an interview with w newspaper reporter.
- Do a TV/radio interview.
- Put text on an Internet blog / Twitter / FB / etc.

They are all communications to the public.

Having a discussion of whether tweets are official statements, is just as silly as if this was 1920 and we were arguing about whether POTUS speaking on this new-fangled radio invention was the same as doing a speech or a print interview.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[jakee 1,280]

ryoder

They are all communications to the public.

Having a discussion of whether tweets are official statements, is just as silly as if this was 1920 and we were arguing about whether POTUS speaking on this new-fangled radio invention was the same as doing a speech or a print interview.

The only caveat is that Twitter can also be used as a substitute for informal conversation - but it's pretty easy to distinguish the two.

So when the Real Donald bitches about Arnie's ratings on The Apprentice that's not an official White House statement. When he says the ban really is a ban and they only called it something else to fool the courts, that is the official position of the Oval Office; anyone saying otherwise is lying to themselves and everyone else.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[normiss 644]

The current Attorney General is often referred to as an elf.

[billvon 2,476]

>Spicer doesn't have the authority to declare anything . . .

The official White House spokesperson doesn't have the authority to speak for the White House?

Interesting times we live in.

[BIGUN 1,106]

He's a Press Secretary; not a policy maker.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[billvon 2,476]

>He's a Press Secretary; not a policy maker.

Correct. His primary responsibility is to act as spokesman for the executive branch. He makes official announcements for the president, vice president and other members of the administration.

At least, before Trump.

[SkyDekker 1,155]

BIGUN

He's a Press Secretary; not a policy maker.

Exactly. Which means that when he says it, it already is policy. If he doesn't know, he will say he doesn't know or he hasn't discussed it with the President.

[billvon 2,476]

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500k led by a former Clinton advisor making noise vs. The 4.8 million Vets who voted for Trump. The thing is even the 500k will benefit from the VA changes that'll be made.

So why not tell them about those changes, instead of blocking them from official White House announcements? Don't veterans deserve at least as much consideration as (say) white supremacist groups, even if the veterans are democrats?

[wolfriverjoe 1,371]

jakee

***They are all communications to the public.

Having a discussion of whether tweets are official statements, is just as silly as if this was 1920 and we were arguing about whether POTUS speaking on this new-fangled radio invention was the same as doing a speech or a print interview.

The only caveat is that Twitter can also be used as a substitute for informal conversation - but it's pretty easy to distinguish the two.

So when the Real Donald bitches about Arnie's ratings on The Apprentice that's not an official White House statement. When he says the ban really is a ban and they only called it something else to fool the courts, that is the official position of the Oval Office; anyone saying otherwise is lying to themselves and everyone else.

The problem with that is that Trump is never "not President." He is never truly 'off duty'. Ever.

So everything he says, either formally, informally, in person, through spokespeople, or on social media is an "Official Presidential Statement."

Imagine the reaction that would have come from the right wing idiots if Obama had made off-the-cuff statements comparable to the shit Trump has put out.

Edit to add:

RonD1120

So far President Trump is doing right by the veterans and is in favor by the majority.

Interestingly enough, you seem to be right.

By a slim majority, Veterans Favor Trump.

Although, as noted in the story, veterans tend to be white (78%), male (92%) and older (49% over 65). All three of those demographics tend to favor Trump.

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[jakee 1,280]

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The problem with that is that Trump is never "not President." He is never truly 'off duty'. Ever.

So everything he says, either formally, informally, in person, through spokespeople, or on social media is an "Official Presidential Statement."

I don't subscribe to that. I think you Americans have a tendency to venerate the office so much you can't reconcile it with the incumbent being a human person. Everyone needs down time with someone or something. If you were 'being President' all the time you'd go insane (ok, Trump already is, but hey).

I don't think it's a good idea for a politician of that level to tweet random thoughts on pop culture and it should be criticized, but if Trump decided to tell everyone which couples he hoped stayed together at the end of Celebrity Love Island I hope we're all perceptive enough to understand that's not the official position of the Executive Branch of the US Government. OTOH, anything tweeted about anything related to the responsibilities and actions of his office, or any other government departments - that is said with his presidential hat on.

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Imagine the reaction that would have come from the right wing idiots if Obama had made off-the-cuff statements comparable to the shit Trump has put out.

Oh sure, it would be insane. But those right wing pundits are a bunch of vitriolic, hypocritical, crybaby pussies who'd argue that the sky should be green if Obama said how nice and blue it was.

It's not a good model for any political discourse or news reporting.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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wolfriverjoe

***So far President Trump is doing right by the veterans and is in favor by the majority.

Interestingly enough, you seem to be right.

By a slim majority, Veterans Favor Trump.

Although, as noted in the story, veterans tend to be white (78%), male (92%) and older (49% over 65). All three of those demographics tend to favor Trump.


(from your link) "54% of people who had served in the U.S. military at any time approved of Trump’s job performance"

(coupled with) "veterans continue to be more conservative, with a majority (56%) either identifying as Republican or leaning toward the GOP"

Is he even holding his own among his veteran supporters?

[normiss 644]

Most of my veterans buddies refuse to support a 5 time draft dodging wife cheater.
But not all!