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[rehmwa 2]

RonD1120

1. Mountain people
2. Country or rural people
3. Suburban or metropolitan people
4. City people

Overgeneralizations and simplified demographics. yay. Just what I hate about political discussions with the left and the far right.

Individualism just continues to take arrows to the throat.

There's certain aspects about social cooperation bias being driven by the environment, I just find that as a gross relationship it's ok, but can't be used to completely separate these types of artificial subgroups. But when examined closely, the groups overlap so much that it's still a reach to try and apply it without deeper considerations. Maybe years ago....but with today's access to information and news, it's going away.

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[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

Hi rehmwa,

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Overgeneralizations and simplified demographics.

But, but, it worked so well in the Soviet Union.



Jerry Baumchen

[rehmwa 2]

JerryBaumchen

Hi rehmwa,

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Overgeneralizations and simplified demographics.

But, but, it worked so well in the Soviet Union.

well, yeah - they are all the same. just like republicans and rednecks and suburbanites and white people

see what I did there? flipped it around AGAIN

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 2,400]

>Overgeneralizations and simplified demographics. yay.

I don't overgeneralize. Not like all those Middle Americans do.

[RonD1120 58]

rehmwa

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1. Mountain people
2. Country or rural people
3. Suburban or metropolitan people
4. City people

Overgeneralizations and simplified demographics. yay. Just what I hate about political discussions with the left and the far right.

Individualism just continues to take arrows to the throat.

There's certain aspects about social cooperation bias being driven by the environment, I just find that as a gross relationship it's ok, but can't be used to completely separate these types of artificial subgroups. But when examined closely, the groups overlap so much that it's still a reach to try and apply it without deeper considerations. Maybe years ago....but with today's access to information and news, it's going away.

What is the population of your area?

I lived and worked in a FL county with a population of 1.316 M and moved to a county in GA with a population of 11,098.

Simplified demographics are easier for me. I am part of the base that elected President Trump. Most of America does not want to be governed by the elitists of the cities. That is especially true of all California, New York City and Chicago. The jury is still out on Oregon and Washington.

It appears that the division is also population vs. geography.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wmw999 2,123]

Something to consider is that population votes. In the long run, it's best if the groups learn to figure out common goals and work toward them. Both groups are important.

The goals they don't have in common they can figure out on their own. And, yes, some people won't get what they want, or what they need

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

Hi Wendy,

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Something to consider is that population votes.

So true. It would seem as though Ron would prefer that we vote by how much land we own.

When he says: Most of America does not want to be governed by the elitists of the cities.

He could not be more wrong as Ms. Clinton received more actual votes than Mr. Trump. For some reason, people seem to want to dismiss this fact.

Jerry Baumchen

[RonD1120 58]

JerryBaumchen

Hi Wendy,

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Something to consider is that population votes.

So true. It would seem as though Ron would prefer that we vote by how much land we own.

When he says: Most of America does not want to be governed by the elitists of the cities.

He could not be more wrong as Ms. Clinton received more actual votes than Mr. Trump. For some reason, people seem to want to dismiss this fact.

Jerry Baumchen

So, how do you plan to compromise with us?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,255]

RonD1120

So, how do you plan to compromise with us?

Why would you expect anyone else to compromise with you when you have explicitly ruled out the possibility of making the any compromise yourself?

Are you really that narcissistic?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 58]

jakee

***So, how do you plan to compromise with us?

Why would you expect anyone else to compromise with you when you have explicitly ruled out the possibility of making the any compromise yourself?

Are you really that narcissistic?

No, but I am part of the winners.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,255]

RonD1120

******So, how do you plan to compromise with us?

Why would you expect anyone else to compromise with you when you have explicitly ruled out the possibility of making the any compromise yourself?

Are you really that narcissistic?

No, but I am part of the winners.

Your statement about refusing any compromise came when you were a loser.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[wmw999 2,123]

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No, but I am part of the winners.

This time. How interested were you in compromise when the "other side" won the presidency. Twice in a row? With an actual majority of voters.

This cleaving of American people into opposed (as opposed to just different) groups is a damaging artifact of commercial media, who have to sell advertising, and do so by being ever more provocative.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[RonD1120 58]

I desire to be more benevolent now. Apparently, the other side is not willing to negotiate at this time. I was trying to feel out Jerry.

Will America survive this division? God knows!

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,255]

RonD1120

I desire to be more benevolent now.

So to what degree are you willing to compromise now? What amount of bipartisanship would you like right wing politicians to engage in? Which of your favoured policies are you willing to give away?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 58]

jakee

***I desire to be more benevolent now.

So to what degree are you willing to compromise now? What amount of bipartisanship would you like right wing politicians to engage in? Which of your favoured policies are you willing to give away?

IMO, all we have to do now is be willing to negotiate. Let's see what is brought to the table.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,255]

RonD1120

IMO, all we have to do now is be willing to negotiate. Let's see what is brought to the table.

So what are you willing to negotiate? Which positionsand policies are you prepared to give away as a result of negotiations?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 58]

jakee

***IMO, all we have to do now is be willing to negotiate. Let's see what is brought to the table.

So what are you willing to negotiate? Which positionsand policies are you prepared to give away as a result of negotiations?

That is above my pay grade. I am not good at creating a hypothetical problem to find a hypothetical solution. Like you, I can only sit and judge the players and the outcomes.

America is strongly divided. The Democrats represent socialism/communism and the Republicans represent freedom, liberty and business. Within that construct are the globalists and the nationalists.

I am a nationalist. You told me in my early posting days that it was not good to be a nationalist. Therefore, what could I possibly say which would garner your approval?

I suppose as a bottom line, I am willing to excise California and give the land back to Mexico. Oregon and Washington are gray areas.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[melch 0]

RonD1120

The Democrats represent socialism/communism and the Republicans represent freedom, liberty and business. Within that construct are the globalists and the nationalists.

Ah, yet again, another simplification by Ron of complex and abstract view points into a binary choice that roughly equates to good vs evil in order to support a "morally superior" choice. You are either a freedom loving patriot, or a damn Commie.

Playing along with your globalist vs nationalist partition, one of the aforementioned groups has recognized and embraced the technological advancements in communication and logistics which have put mankind on a path of interdependence and expanding markets to generate wealth. This is a product of *gasp* the free market more so than any drive for a new world globalist order. I don't think anyone, at this time at least, anticipates or even predicts a singular government of Earth until we experience some sort of existential threat. Pending the arrival of the aliens, or the rapture (my money is on the aliens), the creative destruction process (another tool of the free market) that nationalists *sic conservatives* seem to have a love/hate relationship with, will push global markets and trade. Nationalism is the way of the past, not by any degradation of morals as touted by conservatism, but by the march of time, creative destruction as a result of innovation, technology, and those who can see that is the future.

[Phil1111 911]

rehmwa

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1. Mountain people
2. Country or rural people
3. Suburban or metropolitan people
4. City people

Overgeneralizations and simplified demographics. yay. Just what I hate about political discussions with the left and the far right.

Individualism just continues to take arrows to the throat.

There's certain aspects about social cooperation bias being driven by the environment, I just find that as a gross relationship it's ok, but can't be used to completely separate these types of artificial subgroups. But when examined closely, the groups overlap so much that it's still a reach to try and apply it without deeper considerations. Maybe years ago....but with today's access to information and news, it's going away.

I like mountain people myself. Generous, well educated. The time in Jackson Hole, Vail, and Aspen were times when I met some of the nicest people ever.

Rural people. Now the Napa valley has ...

[jakee 1,255]

RonD1120

******IMO, all we have to do now is be willing to negotiate. Let's see what is brought to the table.

So what are you willing to negotiate? Which positionsand policies are you prepared to give away as a result of negotiations?

That is above my pay grade. I am not good at creating a hypothetical problem to find a hypothetical solution.

So not only do you expect liberals to compromise with you when you've previously stated that you are unwilling to compromise with liberals in any way at all, you now say that you are fundamentally unable to provide an answer to the same question that you posed to Jerry and expected him to be able to answer?

Why were you asking him to create a hypothetical problem to find a hypothetical solution?

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The Democrats represent socialism/communism

So after everything you've said before, you're now willing to compromise with communists over the governing of your country? Way to stick by your principles

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 58]

I basically agree with your analysis. Yes, oversimplification is my choice when problem solving. Present A or B and I am comfortable. When I have to figure the probability of best choice of A, B or C I have to pray about it.

I'm curious, how old are you?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 2,400]

>The Democrats represent socialism/communism and the Republicans represent
>freedom, liberty and business.

At the lowest level both want the same things. They want the freedom to live their lives and pursue happiness as they see fit. They want protection from people who would do them harm. They want lower taxes on themselves; they don't mind higher taxes on someone else. They want to be able to build their businesses, grow their families and invest in the future. They want government benefits, and again don't mind cancelling other people's benefits as long as it doesn't affect them.

The artificial divide between them is created and maintained by the parties. Divided populations are easier to control.

[jclalor 12]

RonD1120

I basically agree with your analysis. Yes, oversimplification is my choice when problem solving. Present A or B and I am comfortable. When I have to figure the probability of best choice of A, B or C I have to pray about it.

I'm curious, how old are you?

I'm still baffled why a man who is convinced that his time on a earth is just a tiny fraction of of his whole existence, would even worry about earthly affairs.

[RonD1120 58]

jclalor

***I basically agree with your analysis. Yes, oversimplification is my choice when problem solving. Present A or B and I am comfortable. When I have to figure the probability of best choice of A, B or C I have to pray about it.

I'm curious, how old are you?

I'm still baffled why a man who is convinced that his time on a earth is just a tiny fraction of of his whole existence, would even worry about earthly affairs.

I need to keep my mind occupied until the big event. Plus, I have some concern for the welfare of my grandchildren.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.