aphid 0 #1 April 20, 2017 "According to records from Canadian Immigration and Citizenship, applications from Americans to acquire Canadian citizenship have more than tripled in the last 20 years. But no one can definitively say why, because the Canadian and US governments don’t track motives for immigration and emigration. Michael Niren, a Toronto-based immigration lawyer, doesn’t attribute the trend to political action. But a graph of citizenship application numbers would show definite spikes in some politically significant years: 2001, when Bush was elected president; 2003, when the US invaded Iraq; and 2007, during the US housing market crash and recession. Perhaps Trump’s tenure will cause another spike in 2017." source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/19/americans-move-canada-trump-bush-immigration Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,956 #2 April 20, 2017 I wonder how the numbers compare to the number of Canadians applying for US status. I'm guessing that more Canadians leave for the US than Americans arrive in Canada.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #3 April 20, 2017 Sure, and many of them are employed as comics, comedy writers, actors or hockey players. They depart for purely economic advantage. Do you know Canadians who emigrate south for political reasons? Perhaps I'm mistaken - wasn't that the primary theme in the article? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,956 #4 April 20, 2017 Most of them are probably professionals. Quite a few doctors for sure. Maybe Kevin O'Leary types as well. Yes, people leave Canada for warmer climates and economic opportunity. Not for political reasons. Because we have one of the best functioning political systems in the world. Far better than the madness to the south.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,475 #5 April 25, 2017 Quote"According to records from Canadian Immigration and Citizenship, applications from Americans to acquire Canadian citizenship have more than tripled in the last 20 years." Don't think Trump hasn't noticed! He's got you in his sights now: "Canada has made business for our dairy farmers in Wisconsin and other border states very difficult. We will not stand for this. Watch!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #6 April 25, 2017 billvonQuote"According to records from Canadian Immigration and Citizenship, applications from Americans to acquire Canadian citizenship have more than tripled in the last 20 years." Don't think Trump hasn't noticed! He's got you in his sights now: "Canada has made business for our dairy farmers in Wisconsin and other border states very difficult. We will not stand for this. Watch!" We've dealt with ignorance and hostility from some folks in your nation long before the arrival of the Bronzed Buffoon. A couple of simple little facts: there are more dairy cows in the state of Wisconsin than there are in all of Canada and Canada imports 5X the amount of dairy products than we export. source: http://www.dairyinfo.gc.ca/index_e.php?s1=dff-fcil&s2=imp-exp&s3=bal And as of this morning, we're back to the game we call "Lies, lies, and more damned lies". "U.S. Imposes 20% Tariff On Canadian Softwood Lumber" source: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/04/24/softwood-lumber-tariff_n_16219018.html Hang on a minute. Could the American's actually be mistaken? Again? "Both resolution panels from the World Trade Organization and under the North American Free Trade Agreement had found that Canadian softwood lumber production is not subsidized" source: http://globalnews.ca/news/3399952/reality-check-does-canada-subsidize-softwood-lumber/ A fairly accurate timeline of the history of the softwood lumber dispute can be found here: https://tinyurl.com/qdbrmda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 943 #7 April 25, 2017 aphid***Quote"According to records from Canadian Immigration and Citizenship, applications from Americans to acquire Canadian citizenship have more than tripled in the last 20 years." Don't think Trump hasn't noticed! He's got you in his sights now: "Canada has made business for our dairy farmers in Wisconsin and other border states very difficult. We will not stand for this. Watch!" We've dealt with ignorance and hostility from some folks in your nation long before the arrival of the Bronzed Buffoon. A couple of simple little facts: there are more dairy cows in the state of Wisconsin than there are in all of Canada and Canada imports 5X the amount of dairy products than we export. source: http://www.dairyinfo.gc.ca/index_e.php?s1=dff-fcil&s2=imp-exp&s3=bal And as of this morning, we're back to the game we call "Lies, lies, and more damned lies". "U.S. Imposes 20% Tariff On Canadian Softwood Lumber" source: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/04/24/softwood-lumber-tariff_n_16219018.html Hang on a minute. Could the American's actually be mistaken? Again? "Both resolution panels from the World Trade Organization and under the North American Free Trade Agreement had found that Canadian softwood lumber production is not subsidized" source: http://globalnews.ca/news/3399952/reality-check-does-canada-subsidize-softwood-lumber/ A fairly accurate timeline of the history of the softwood lumber dispute can be found here: https://tinyurl.com/qdbrmda You are right about softwood lumber. Canada does not subsidize lumber. But you are wrong about the dairy industry in Canada. It largely originates with Quebec dairy farmers. "Apart from raising roadblocks to trade, marketing boards also raise prices at the dinner table. According to a study published in December 2010 by the Montreal Economic Institute (MEI), in 2009 Canada’s milk producer price was third highest in the world, behind Japan and Norway. This translates into higher retail prices: The Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development reports that Canadians pay twice the world market rate for dairy produce. A survey of farm-gate prices by the International Dairy Foods Association estimated prices for the past three years at $16.40 in the United States, $19.19 in the European Union, $14.49 in New Zealand and $29.87 in Canada (all prices in U.S. dollars per fixed weight). http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/national-post-editorial-board-get-rid-of-dairy-subsidies-and-price-supports Dairy aside, US farmers receive higher subsidies than Canadian farmers. With NZ farmers, worldwide, receiving the least overall. The Dairy Processors Association of Canada estimates CETA could result in annual losses of over $230 million for cheese processors in particular, contributing to a $719 million loss for the overall economy. That may translate into up to 2,900 job losses, it said. The new fund is "a way to mitigate those negative impacts that we are facing," said Jacques Lefebvre, the president and CEO. The processors want the quota for new cheeses entering Canada tariff-free under CETA to be assigned to existing processors as the Canada-based importers. But a requirement written into the deal specifies that 30 per cent of the quota must be allocated to new entrants. The government has not yet announced who will be importing what kinds of tariff-free cheese under CETA, but a decision is expected soon following several months of consultations. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/dairy-compensation-announcement-ceta-thursday-1.3845003 So $720 million a year to bring Canada to EU subsidy levels. Which would still be 32% net subsidies above NZ. The Canadian dairy industry acts like pigs at the trough of Canadian dairy consumers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #8 April 25, 2017 Phil1111 You are right about softwood lumber. Canada does not subsidize lumber. But you are wrong about the dairy industry in Canada. It largely originates with Quebec dairy farmers. I didn't suggest anything about a dairy subsidy. I'm not defending our system. Honest debate does also require admission of the detrimental results of unrestricted American over-production; potential dumping of surpluses into foreign markets and the artificially forced suppression of domestic prices. Phil1111 "Apart from raising roadblocks to trade, marketing boards also raise prices at the dinner table. According to a study published in December 2010 by the Montreal Economic Institute (MEI), in 2009 Canada’s milk producer price was third highest in the world, behind Japan and Norway. This translates into higher retail prices: The Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development reports that Canadians pay twice the world market rate for dairy produce. That is correct. Canadians do pay more. Not Americans. Is the suggestion that messing with Canada's dairy regulatory system and demanding greater access to our market is an act of American benevolence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 943 #9 April 25, 2017 aphid*** You are right about softwood lumber. Canada does not subsidize lumber. But you are wrong about the dairy industry in Canada. It largely originates with Quebec dairy farmers. I didn't suggest anything about a dairy subsidy. I'm not defending our system. Honest debate does also require admission of the detrimental results of unrestricted American over-production; potential dumping of surpluses into foreign markets and the artificially forced suppression of domestic prices. Phil1111 "Apart from raising roadblocks to trade, marketing boards also raise prices at the dinner table. According to a study published in December 2010 by the Montreal Economic Institute (MEI), in 2009 Canada’s milk producer price was third highest in the world, behind Japan and Norway. This translates into higher retail prices: The Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development reports that Canadians pay twice the world market rate for dairy produce. That is correct. Canadians do pay more. Not Americans. Is the suggestion that messing with Canada's dairy regulatory system and demanding greater access to our market is an act of American benevolence? Well trump is pandering to the trump base. Just as Canadian governments have babied its dairy industry. NZ cut off subsidies over ten years ago to all aspects of agriculture. Its industry thrived. I'm personally contemptuous of Canadian dairy farmers. They are pigs in their continuous demands for protections in every trade agreement. Twenty years ago it was the US beer industry that forced open Canadian brewers to competition. Surprise Molson and Labatts thrived, as did many smaller brewers. Did I say Molson? Now its Molson Coors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,154 #10 April 25, 2017 QuoteYou are right about softwood lumber. Canada does not subsidize lumber. That is not entirely true. The question is if allowing lumber companies to harvest on crown land is equivalent to a subsidy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 643 #11 April 25, 2017 Wasn't it recently when we were hearing Trump's desire to open Federal lands and parks to mining and foresting? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,154 #12 April 25, 2017 Which I am sure is somehow completely different in Trump's mind.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 943 #13 April 25, 2017 SkyDekkerQuoteYou are right about softwood lumber. Canada does not subsidize lumber. That is not entirely true. The question is if allowing lumber companies to harvest on crown land is equivalent to a subsidy. That argument has been arbitrated by NAFTA and WTO: 3 Lumber I 4 Lumber II 5 Lumber III 6 Lumber IV 7 Looking ahead times. Every time US duties have been refunded to Canadian mills. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_softwood_lumber_dispute There is a old byline for stock traders and lumber futures traders that they make the best returns. By playing the various rulings as these disputes weave their way through the NAFTA process. In addition US lumber producers have typically had the same P/E, similar ROI and similar wages/expenses. As have their Canadian lumber competitors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,154 #14 April 25, 2017 I know. But that really is the sole argument and what these new tariffs are based on. We were expecting worse actually and lumber company stocks are up today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 943 #15 April 25, 2017 The trouble with these softwood lumber disputes is that it hurts small Canadian lumber mills. They have to pay the duties for wood products upon arrival in the US. When the dispute is over they get the money back with interest but it hurts their balance sheets. The last big dispute, 2-3 disputes ago. Several smaller and mid sized BC mills were driven into forced buyouts at distressed prices. by larger forestry firms. Further concentrating the industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,154 #16 April 25, 2017 It will also drive up new housing costs in the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #17 April 26, 2017 SkyDekker Which I am sure is somehow completely different in Trump's mind.... A real-world example of the difference is attached. Pay particular attention to the vocabulary. Quoting USA Today this morning: "This was the same phone call, right?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,081 #18 April 26, 2017 Hi John, Quote"This was the same phone call, right?" A snake oil salesman from beginning to end. I continue to wonder just how long will his supporters continue to believe anything that he says. We live in strange times, Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 April 27, 2017 I don't drink coffee. Do you have hot Chocolate, maybe scotch? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 643 #20 April 27, 2017 Funny, when I see the title of this thread I think "but the coffee there is crap"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #21 April 27, 2017 rehmwaI don't drink coffee. Do you have hot Chocolate, maybe scotch? Typically Balvenie, Oban, Dalwhinnie, Yamazaki, and Glen Livet, yes. Hot chocolate? Not so much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 643 #22 April 27, 2017 Now we're talking! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 943 #23 April 27, 2017 rehmwaI don't drink coffee. Do you have hot Chocolate, maybe scotch? Scotch, now you're talking. Costco 20 year blended, the best value bar none. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #24 April 27, 2017 normissNow we're talking! Changed the subject to reflect your preference. The attached reflects the current contents of the cabinet in my hangar at the airport. We Canucks are a welcoming bunch... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lawndarter 3 #25 May 1, 2017 aphid***Now we're talking! Changed the subject to reflect your preference. The attached reflects the current contents of the cabinet in my hangar at the airport. We Canucks are a welcoming bunch... That bottle of J&B is just there as a degreaser and parts cleaner, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
