adventurechick 0 #1 July 6, 2006 So I was always taught, pull main. Peel and punch cutaway and peel and punch reserve. Someone needs to add to this ARRCCHH after pulling the reserve (and cutaway if one doesn't have an RSL). I found out a few years ago that a guy doing his AFF had a malfunction, cutaway and pulled the reserve. When he pulled the reserve, he leaned forward and flipped through the risers and was tangled and died. PMS #449 TPM #80 Muff Brother #3860 SCR #14705 Dirty Sanchez #233 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #2 July 6, 2006 My EP's as taught are "Arch look grab look peel pull pull". So it already starts with arch. But I agree, it's pretty important. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #3 July 6, 2006 Do you practise that in a harness......its quite hard to arch AND look at your handles..... Look , Locate (1 hand on each) ,Peel/Punch red (to Full arm extension),Peel/punch silver , Arch...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #4 July 6, 2006 QuoteDo you practise that in a harness......its quite hard to arch AND look at your handles..... Look , Locate (1 hand on each) ,Peel/Punch red (to Full arm extension),Peel/punch silver , Arch...... Dont think of arching perse - We are usually vertical when dealing with this stuff and you are right, it can be difficult - Rather than busting out a hard arch, simply push your hips forward. When the reserve handle is being pushed then go into the "hard arch".Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #5 July 6, 2006 Quote Peel and punch cutaway and peel and punch reserve. Ther reason we peel the cutaway pillow is because the velcro can sometimes be difficult to extract without "peeling" as one side of the velcro is mounted to the cutaway pillow. When using a metal reserve handle there is no need to peel as there is no velcro attached to the metal reserve handle. Just push the reserve handle and the metal will go right through the velcro. At least I think I said this right.Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #6 July 6, 2006 Quote(and cutaway if one doesn't have an RSL). I do not understand this statement, please clarify. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #7 July 6, 2006 When I returned to the sport a couple years ago and made the transition to modern gear, my instructors taught me to pull my feet back toward my butt at the start of EP's (to help re-establish an arch); and after punching silver, arch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #8 July 6, 2006 How about, look at cutaway, place BOTH hands on it, look at silver handle,peel & pull cutway handle to arms extension and throw it away, (eyes never leave silver) reach and pull with both hands, throw away and ARCH. Never know when you might have a hard pull on both, two handed pull is better, IMHO. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psipike02 0 #9 July 7, 2006 QuoteHow about, look at cutaway, place BOTH hands on it, look at silver handle,peel & pull cutway handle to arms extension and throw it away, (eyes never leave silver) reach and pull with both hands, throw away and ARCH. Never know when you might have a hard pull on both, two handed pull is better, IMHO. ~ Yep...thats how I was taught....Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #10 July 7, 2006 sounds like you had a good teacher and old school too. I still teach this way of doing EP's. One other thing to think of would be the large amount of jumpers who have never had a cutaway and are jumping some hot canopies today, that can in them selfs can cause a hard pull just from spinning mal's. or spinning mal's with line twists as well. A hard pull could be "hard" just trying to get your hands to the handles to pull them....not the force needed to pull them or it could be both. Just something to think about ya all. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #11 July 7, 2006 QuoteWhen I returned to the sport a couple years ago and made the transition to modern gear, my instructors taught me to pull my feet back toward my butt at the start of EP's (to help re-establish an arch); and after punching silver, arch. On my recurrency training after a 22 year break, my instructor politely told me to "stick my dick out" and point my toes. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #12 July 7, 2006 Quote(and cutaway if one doesn't have an RSL). Lets pretend that you never even thought this much less posted it. Forget the fact that you even have an RSL. Do your EPs like you are all alone without help from anyone or anything.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevinwhelan 0 #13 July 7, 2006 Quote(and cutaway if one doesn't have an RSL). I hope you are not mistaking about the function of an rsl. This statement makes me think that you believe that the rsl will perform a cutaway for you if you pull the reserve. Please tell me this is not what you think. "be honest with yourself. Why do I want to go smaller? It is not going to make my penis longer." ~Brian Germain, on downsizing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #14 July 7, 2006 QuoteQuote(and cutaway if one doesn't have an RSL). I hope you are not mistaking about the function of an rsl. This statement makes me think that you believe that the rsl will perform a cutaway for you if you pull the reserve. Please tell me this is not what you think. I'm thinking she means 'arch after pulling reserve', and 'if you have an rsl, arch after performing your cutaway' because the reserve will be out before you pulled the reserve yourself thus your arch would be late ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adventurechick 0 #15 July 7, 2006 exactly, that's what I meant PMS #449 TPM #80 Muff Brother #3860 SCR #14705 Dirty Sanchez #233 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevinwhelan 0 #16 July 7, 2006 Sorry my mistake So (and cutaway if one doesn't have an RSL). should read (and cutaway if one has an RSL). "be honest with yourself. Why do I want to go smaller? It is not going to make my penis longer." ~Brian Germain, on downsizing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #17 July 7, 2006 QuoteHow about, look at cutaway, place BOTH hands on it, look at silver handle,peel & pull cutway handle to arms extension and throw it away, (eyes never leave silver) reach and pull with both hands, throw away and ARCH. Never know when you might have a hard pull on both, two handed pull is better, IMHO. Two hands is my 'alternate' plan in the case of a hard cutaway....ie bring left hand over to cutaway pillow whilst looking at reserve handle. Logic behind a hand on each is in case the harness shifts with the cutaway so the reserve handle position changes. I have observed a change in the position of the reserve handle on at least a few of cutaways ( mainly malfunctioning mains.....not PC in tows )that I have seen on video....not massive movements but movement all the same... I have not had a 'live'reserve pull yet....but I maintain my gear and practise my EP's regularly in a hanging harness. I'm comfortable with my EP procedure, which I think works the best for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #18 July 7, 2006 if you have an RSL, pretend that you don't. You should do your EPs the exact same way regardless of an RSL. RSL's have failed to pull the reserve in the past. Never rely on it. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adventurechick 0 #19 July 7, 2006 I don't have an RSL... so I don't have to pretend! PMS #449 TPM #80 Muff Brother #3860 SCR #14705 Dirty Sanchez #233 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #20 July 7, 2006 2006 SIM Section 5 Page 109 states: An RSL is recommended for all experienced jumpers.Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinfool 0 #21 July 7, 2006 Quote2006 SIM Section 5 Page 109 states: An RSL is recommended for all experienced jumpers. So what does USPA say about very low experience jumpers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #22 July 7, 2006 QuoteI don't have an RSL... so I don't have to pretend! Good! We don't like girls that "fake-it"... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #23 July 7, 2006 QuoteQuote2006 SIM Section 5 Page 109 states: An RSL is recommended for all experienced jumpers. So what does USPA say about very low experience jumpers? Right? Guess they are excluded...Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #24 July 7, 2006 DANG! ... and I thought I had successfully deflected the theard away from another DZ.com RSL debate / blood bath... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 153 #25 July 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote2006 SIM Section 5 Page 109 states: An RSL is recommended for all experienced jumpers. So what does USPA say about very low experience jumpers? Very Low Experience jumpers would fall under a section called "students". See everything is a matter of perspective and where you place the emphisas. JimAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
