normiss 622 #1 October 23, 2013 Is this what separation of church and state looks like? That's just not right. (yes, I realize I took a great deal of liberty with this) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #2 October 23, 2013 Where's the State involved? It's a private school run by a church. Wouldn't the "wall between church and state" be breached if, for example, the state made the Church hire her back? I'm disgusted by what the Church did. It does not agree with my personal philosophy. However, it's a Church with a well-known and historical problem with Onanists. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,122 #3 October 23, 2013 What he said. If the school knew of her sexuality all along and did nothing, then I can see her being lulled into complacency. But it's a private, church-related school. They also have the right to fire a teacher who converts to Judaism and begins covering her hair, or wearing a prayer shawl. But consider that they're firing someone qualified, for someone potentially less qualified, too. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #4 October 23, 2013 She claims they accepted her this way while she was there, just seems the legal marriage was too much for them. While I stated I took liberty with the state/religion aspect, it is fully legal to do what she did. Judge not and all their bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #5 October 23, 2013 >However, it's a Church with a well-known and historical problem with Onanists. Perhaps. Would the same hold if she was black, and was fired because of that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #6 October 23, 2013 billvon>However, it's a Church with a well-known and historical problem with Onanists. Perhaps. Would the same hold if she was black, and was fired because of that? I didn't realize lesbianism was a race.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #7 October 23, 2013 >I didn't realize lesbianism was a race. It's not. Neither is being Jewish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #8 October 23, 2013 billvon>I didn't realize lesbianism was a race. It's not. Neither is being Jewish. I suppose you would say that indian isn't either. What is your point? If your work said you could not work there if you wore a mustache, and you grew one . . . guess what?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #9 October 23, 2013 >What is your point? You wouldn't understand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #10 October 23, 2013 billvon >What is your point? You wouldn't understand. I didn't think you actually had one.It's ok. We forgive you.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #11 October 24, 2013 lawrocketWhere's the State involved? It's a private school run by a church. Wouldn't the "wall between church and state" be breached if, for example, the state made the Church hire her back? Walmart is also a private entity. Would it be legal if they fired an employee for a same sex marriage? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #12 October 24, 2013 Andrewwhyte***Where's the State involved? It's a private school run by a church. Wouldn't the "wall between church and state" be breached if, for example, the state made the Church hire her back? Walmart is also a private entity. Would it be legal if they fired an employee for a same sex marriage? Wouldn't that depend on the state?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #13 October 24, 2013 QuoteWouldn't that depend on the state? Yes it would. Here in Ohio it would be legal.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #14 October 24, 2013 turtlespeed Wouldn't that depend on the state? Yes, here is a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_employment_discrimination_in_the_United_States"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #15 October 24, 2013 Andrewwhyte***Where's the State involved? It's a private school run by a church. Wouldn't the "wall between church and state" be breached if, for example, the state made the Church hire her back? Walmart is also a private entity. Would it be legal if they fired an employee for a same sex marriage? We're talking about church and state. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #16 October 24, 2013 lawrocket******Where's the State involved? It's a private school run by a church. Wouldn't the "wall between church and state" be breached if, for example, the state made the Church hire her back? Walmart is also a private entity. Would it be legal if they fired an employee for a same sex marriage? We're talking about church and state. Depends on the state but a church-run school might or might not be exempt from certain aspects of non-discrimination clauses in state law. The church would argue that the school (and teaching function) was an essential ministry function and the plaintiff would argue that it was not."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #17 October 24, 2013 billvon>However, it's a Church with a well-known and historical problem with Onanists. Perhaps. Would the same hold if she was black, and was fired because of that? No. Seems that being black is somewhat immutable. Seems they also didn't have a problem with her until she got married. It just made a difference, didn't it? Again, I don't agree at all with the Church on this. But when discussing separation of church and state, I do think that it means that the state doesn't yield to the church and tthe church doesn't face socio-political compulsion by the state. It's a two way street. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #18 October 24, 2013 Yet if this had been based on race or religious views, it would be unconstitutional. What's the difference? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #19 October 24, 2013 normissYet if this had been based on race or religious views, it would be unconstitutional. What's the difference? Race, probably. But there's a specific exception carved out of federal employment discrimination laws that allow religious organizations to discriminate in employment for religious or ideological reasons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #20 October 24, 2013 Like I need another reason to dislike religion. It's just so damning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #21 October 24, 2013 normiss Like I need another reason to dislike religion. It's just so damning. Damnit! I do see their point though. Maybe we should ask the Pope.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #22 October 24, 2013 >Seems that being black is somewhat immutable. So is being gay. >Seems they also didn't have a problem with her until she got married. It just made a >difference, didn't it? From the article it was well known she was gay. So agreed, it was the marriage that made the difference. To go back to my example, they might not fire a black teacher unless he joined (say) the NAACP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #23 October 24, 2013 billvon>Seems that being black is somewhat immutable. So is being gay. >Seems they also didn't have a problem with her until she got married. It just made a >difference, didn't it? From the article it was well known she was gay. So agreed, it was the marriage that made the difference. To go back to my example, they might not fire a black teacher unless he joined (say) the NAACP. So marriage is a club membership.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #24 October 24, 2013 normissYet if this had been based on race or religious views, it would be unconstitutional. What's the difference? Race? Yes. Religious views? Perhaps. Where's the line? I myself am out of consideration for being a monsignor on the basis of my religious beliefs. As, too, am I'm screwed if I want to be a rabbi. Because I don't meet the qualifications. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites