ryoder 1,412 #1 October 23, 2013 http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/partygoer-handgun-shoots-disgruntled-guest-who-opened-fire-glendale-arizona-gathering#"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #2 October 23, 2013 The way I see it, the guy who shot the guy with the rifle, saved lives. He defended innocent 3rd. parties. Good for him!!! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,412 #3 October 23, 2013 Of course since the shooter got shot before he was able to shoot anyone else, this incident can be conveniently excluded by those who would claim "an armed citizen has never stopped a mass shooting"."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #4 October 23, 2013 ryoderhttp://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/partygoer-handgun-shoots-disgruntled-guest-who-opened-fire-glendale-arizona-gathering# And another kid shoots a teacher.... for the second time this week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ Your turn. How do we want to measure this? 1:1? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #5 October 23, 2013 yoinkAnd another kid shoots a teacher.... for the second time this week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ Your turn. How do we want to measure this? 1:1? What story are you referring to? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #6 October 23, 2013 QuoteAnd another kid shoots a teacher.... for the second time this week. In other news, "Criminal steals car". I guess that means we should ban cars to prevent it from happening again. QuoteHow do we want to measure this? 1:1? 1. Already been done. A recent report just stated that studies have shown that AT LEAST as many have been saved as have been killed. 2. I tend to measure using if the "solution" takes rights away from people who did nothing wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bignugget 0 #7 October 23, 2013 ryoderOf course since the shooter got shot before he was able to shoot anyone else, this incident can be conveniently excluded by those who would claim "an armed citizen has never stopped a mass shooting". Well the story plays out a lot more like 2 drunken idiots at a party get in a shootout. That isn't super unusual.... They threw the dude outta the party, he comes back all angry with a gun. Starts a scene outside, starts shooting the gun off and pointing it at people....gets shot. (Never shot anyone, just acted like a drunken asshole....and had access to a gun) a BIT different than some people watching the Batman movie when a dude walks in with a bunch of guns and starts blasting everyone. or a kid walks into a kindergarten class and starts blasting everyone.... just a BIT different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #8 October 23, 2013 Bignugget***Of course since the shooter got shot before he was able to shoot anyone else, this incident can be conveniently excluded by those who would claim "an armed citizen has never stopped a mass shooting". a BIT different than some people watching the Batman movie when a dude walks in with a bunch of guns and starts blasting everyone. or a kid walks into a kindergarten class and starts blasting everyone.... just a BIT different. Yes, because all those places you mentioned are "Gun free" zones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #9 October 23, 2013 DaVinciQuoteAnd another kid shoots a teacher.... for the second time this week. In other news, "Criminal steals car". I guess that means we should ban cars to prevent it from happening again. ***How do we want to measure this? 1:1? 1. Already been done. A recent report just stated that studies have shown that AT LEAST as many have been saved as have been killed. 2. I tend to measure using if the "solution" takes rights away from people who did nothing wrong. I'm still trying to figure out what incident people are referring to when they talk about a second kid shooting a teacher this week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #10 October 23, 2013 Same old deal... deny, deny, deny! Even though this incident proves the nay sayers wrong. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,174 #11 October 23, 2013 QuoteI'm still trying to figure out what incident people are referring to when they talk about a second kid shooting a teacher this week. This one, I think. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,154 #12 October 23, 2013 DaVinciQuoteAnd another kid shoots a teacher.... for the second time this week. In other news, "Criminal steals car". I guess that means we should ban cars to prevent it from happening again. ***How do we want to measure this? 1:1? 1. Already been done. A recent report just stated that studies have shown that AT LEAST as many have been saved as have been killed. 2. I tend to measure using if the "solution" takes rights away from people who did nothing wrong. Really?? Kid shoots teacher = Criminal steals car Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #13 October 23, 2013 wmw999QuoteI'm still trying to figure out what incident people are referring to when they talk about a second kid shooting a teacher this week. This one, I think. Wendy P. That's what I thought people were referring to, but USA Today is saying it was a stabbing. Most of the articles I've seen don't say one way or the other (but the tribune link conspicuously refers to it as a shooting in the url of the story.) *shrugs* oh well, no one cares anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #14 October 23, 2013 champu***QuoteI'm still trying to figure out what incident people are referring to when they talk about a second kid shooting a teacher this week. This one, I think. Wendy P. That's what I thought people were referring to, but USA Today is saying it was a stabbing. Most of the articles I've seen don't say one way or the other (but the tribune link conspicuously refers to it as a shooting in the url of the story.) *shrugs* oh well, no one cares anymore. You shouldn't let a good gun crisis go to waste, whether it was actually a gun or not.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #15 October 23, 2013 champu***And another kid shoots a teacher.... for the second time this week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ Your turn. How do we want to measure this? 1:1? What story are you referring to? Apologies - screwed the link up. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24644203 The initial link did say it was a shooting, but it looks like that's been removed. Either way, I've always said you couldn't pay me enough to be a teacher - mainly because I don't have the patience for it, but now it seems to be becoming one of the more dangerous professions! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #16 October 23, 2013 yoink***http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/partygoer-handgun-shoots-disgruntled-guest-who-opened-fire-glendale-arizona-gathering# And another kid shoots a teacher.... for the second time this week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ Your turn. How do we want to measure this? 1:1? Here's 3 incidents from the same day in the same city that show people still rob and shoot other people on a daily basis. http://www.khou.com/news/local/Shots-fired-during-armored-car-robbery-near-Spring-228779931.html http://www.khou.com/news/crime/3-teens-charged-in-series-of-robberies-burglaries-228795671.html http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Man-arrested-charged-in-fatal-shooting-of-taco-truck-owner-228796091.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #17 October 24, 2013 QuoteKid shoots teacher = Criminal steals car Kid shoots teacher - Crime Criminal steals car - Crime Some want to blame the gun, but not the car. I see you skipped the measurement part. You know the one where the study showed that AT LEAST as many lives are saved than taken by criminals.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #18 October 24, 2013 DaVinci Quote Kid shoots teacher = Criminal steals car Kid shoots teacher - Crime Criminal steals car - Crime Some want to blame the gun, but not the car. I see you skipped the measurement part. You know the one where the study showed that AT LEAST as many lives are saved than taken by criminals.... Don't muddle this up with facts - it makes their heads hurt.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
