Somebody help me understand this (Afghanistan Ops)

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I was doing a bit of light reading on a web site about a guy's experiences overseas and came across this passage;

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As I was the biometric guy on base, a few hours later they find the head of the suicide bomber and they bring it to me in order to see if I can pull his iris scan up in our system to verify if he's on the suspected terrorist watch list.

How does one get an iris scan of a terrorist into the "system" in the first place?

When the US went into Afghanistan, did they round everyone up and do iris scans?

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Friend of mine working with/for DARPA who shall remain nameless laughed, and told me to go watch Minority Report. I managed to not slap him. I wonder if it has to do with released Gitmo detainees, or folks who've been through the DOD version of stop-n-frisk. I know they're collecting this stuff on more and more folks. I suppose they just collect it on everyone they can and include it with watch list entries when it happens to be available.

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You can have your iris scanned without knowing it. Welcome to the 21st.

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Facial recognition without you knowing is trivial. Somehow I don't think there are a lot of imagers that could handle iris scan at a distance casually enough to go unrecognized. At least not yet.

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Big brotha and the nanny state.

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http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~jgd1000/afghan.html methods via photos instead of scans

article from 10 years ago

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2003/11/05/982770.htm

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I'm not fully aware of where the technology is at this point, but I do know there are systems that can scan and identify several people at once from distances far enough where the hardware can be obfuscated. However,I can assert that the technology will get smaller, faster and better real quick. lol

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I'm not fully aware of where the technology is at this point, but I do know there are systems that can scan and identify several people at once from distances far enough where the hardware can be obfuscated. However,I can assert that the technology will get smaller, faster and better real quick. lol

I think that's facial not iris. Walk into many Vegas casinos and you're being scanned through facial software...same at some major league ball parks.

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There would be a couple of ways to do it at "check points" kind of how magnetometers are set up for people to walk through and those could be fairly unobtrusive, but you'd definately know you were being examined by US forces. I've seen other iris scanners that can you could possibly set up and get scans from maybe 10 feet away as long as the person's eyes were looking in the direction of the sensors. Again, I think that would be fairly difficult to pull off if you were going after a terrorist who was reasonably careful.

Beyond 10 or so feet though, I don't see how you could do it for various optical reasons today. I dunno, maybe the boys over at Lockheed have something awesome cooked up for the boys at Langly, but I don't think there's anything on the regular security market.

It actually does seem easier to me to just round everyone up in the area and scan them, but I've never heard of anyone doing that. However, that also assumes the cooperation of the terrorists with your plans to identify them which seems highly unlikely.

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if you think about ti, every time you're arrested they take a picture, and from less than 10 feet, and most of the time you look at the camera. a lot of time, when troops round up suspects, they take pictures, with good imaging software, you can get a relatively decent iris scan. and if they started focusing on the iris with a zoom, there ya go.

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But this is my point. Did they arrest everyone in the country? I doubt it.

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But this is my point. Did they arrest everyone in the country? I doubt it.

"Round up the usual suspects."

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Without getting into too many details and to preserve operational security, check this out:

http://www.army.mil/article/51768/troopers-deploy-hiide-system-at-border-crossing-point/

A person can be entered into the database for any number of reasons. Maybe they were detained on suspicion of being involved in some sort of anti-coalition force activity. They could have been entered into the system during mandatory bio-enrollments. Maybe their fingerprints were found on ammunitions found in a weapons cache. The system is just a mobile device to check and see if anyone has put the subject into the system and why.

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Okay, that seems reasonable. Random sampling. Maybe 100 or so people per check point per day. Being done rather obviously too from less than a meter.

This was roughly were I suspected the technology was at and how it was being used. Not going to catch anyone who is determined to avoid it. Certainly not going to tag anyone at any great distance.

I guess over time you build up a fairly large database though.

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Actually, the iris scans are being done from inches away.. not meters. Its not like the United States where we have to be subtle. You can set up a checkpoint, require everyone passing through the checkpoint to give an iris scan and fingerprint, enter their name next to their bio-data, and send them on their way. Then if/when they're arrested in connection with an event, they're scanned and their information is verified. Are the giving the same name as they were when they were enrolled? Where were they enrolled previously? What were the circumstances of their enrollment? Was it at a checkpoint or in connection to a different event in a different area?

Do some Google searches for HIIDE and SEEK. Clever, eh?

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We used to do retina and fingerprints on all of our detainees, and on all suspects during missions, all police force candidates, ect. It's called a HIIDE. like a big ass super high tech camera. All units doing HIIDE on a shitload of fuckheads = intel

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Actually, the iris scans are being done from inches away.. not meters. Its not like the United States where we have to be subtle. You can set up a checkpoint, require everyone passing through the checkpoint to give an iris scan and fingerprint, enter their name next to their bio-data, and send them on their way. Then if/when they're arrested in connection with an event, they're scanned and their information is verified. Are the giving the same name as they were when they were enrolled? Where were they enrolled previously? What were the circumstances of their enrollment? Was it at a checkpoint or in connection to a different event in a different area?

Do some Google searches for HIIDE and SEEK. Clever, eh?

Heck it would be easier to just tatto them.

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I was doing a bit of light reading on a web site about a guy's experiences overseas and came across this passage;

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As I was the biometric guy on base, a few hours later they find the head of the suicide bomber and they bring it to me in order to see if I can pull his iris scan up in our system to verify if he's on the suspected terrorist watch list.

How does one get an iris scan of a terrorist into the "system" in the first place?

When the US went into Afghanistan, did they round everyone up and do iris scans?

Either scan people who have been arrested also simply ask local suspects if you mind having your 'photo' taken.

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Think about how long we've been in country and how terrorists are made. Some kid that got displaced along with his family when he was 10 years old, ends up at a refugee camp handful of years later he's with AQ, but in the database from the te at the camp. That's just one scenario and others have been mentioned.

Even if the majority of people are not in the db, which is probably the case now, the tech is still useful as all get out.

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Oh, not questioning the usefulness. Just was wondering how you get terrorists into it. For instance, I can nearly guarantee UBL didn't exist in the database of iris scans because nobody would have ever gotten close enough to him with a device that could do it. If you could get that close, you'd just take him out.

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Terrorists are just people. They don't just come out of the womb practicing counter-survelience techniques. I see where you are going with it though. It kind of makes you wonder how long the database has been in existence and at what point did the standard image have enough resolution to identify a unique iris.

The phone I'm on now tracks my eye movement and I'm certain the resolution is good enough to pull a usable image of my iris from less than a foot away from my face...things that make you go hummmmmm.

As long as the technology is used to identify/ kill enemy combatants, I mean terrorists, who are of a darker complexion than me, speak a different language than me and live on a different continent....I guess I'm alright with it.

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Terrorists are just people. They don't just come out of the womb practicing counter-survelience techniques. I see where you are going with it though. It kind of makes you wonder how long the database has been in existence and at what point did the standard image have enough resolution to identify a unique iris.

The phone I'm on now tracks my eye movement and I'm certain the resolution is good enough to pull a usable image of my iris from less than a foot away from my face...things that make you go hummmmmm.

As long as the technology is used to identify/ kill enemy combatants, I mean terrorists, who are of a darker complexion than me, speak a different language than me and live on a different continent....I guess I'm alright with it.

Wow...I just had a weird thought. Going through immigration in New York, sometimes you are asked to 'look here' while you passport is being scanned.

Hummm.

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