America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership

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Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America’s debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘‘the buck stops here.’’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.

Senator Obama - 2006

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Spending s only a problem when Republicans are in the White House. Didn't you get the memo?

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it really ticks me off when the president then goes on the news and says. If we don't raise the debt ceiling these are going to be the people affected first and he lists the elderly receiving SSI, our soldiers etc. I'm sure we could find plenty of other places to "not pay" before we would need to touch these.

No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible.
Believe me I tried.

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Care to actually name some, that add up to something close to the amount of the shortfall?

Don

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We did not get this way overnight, so you cant cut one item and attempt to fix the debt in one year.
2010 budget breakdown pie chart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fy2010_spending_by_category.jpg

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

[airdvr 200]

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Care to actually name some, that add up to something close to the amount of the shortfall?

Don

It doesn't matter. As long as so many get $$ from the government the politicians have the power to threaten to withhold those monies.

Obama's prediction: "Social Security checks and veterans benefits will be delayed. We might not be able to pay our troops or honor our contracts with small business owners. Food inspectors, air traffic controllers, specialists who track down loose nuclear materials wouldn't get their pay checks."

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Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘‘the buck stops here.’’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.

Senator Obama - 2006

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Previously, the debt ceiling was raised on a regular basis without much trouble. The party in the majority of each chamber of Congress unenthusiastically but faithfully supplied the votes necessary to raise the ceiling, and the party in the minority cast symbolic "no" votes that they knew would have no effect on the outcome.
When Obama, along with every other Senate Democrat, voted against raising the debt ceiling in 2006, they did so for the sake of self-serving political posturing, yes, but they also did so knowing that their GOP colleagues could and would dutifully raise it on their own.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/obama-debt-ceiling-2006-vote.html

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Spending s only a problem when Republicans are in the White House. Didn't you get the memo?

Funny how raising the debt ceiling was never an issue when Reagan and Bush did it 25 times.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/26/barack-obama/obama-says-reagan-raised-debt-ceiling-18-times-geo/

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Spending s only a problem when Republicans are in the White House. Didn't you get the memo?

Funny how raising the debt ceiling was never an issue when Reagan and Bush did it 25 times.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/26/barack-obama/obama-says-reagan-raised-debt-ceiling-18-times-geo/

Yea...that's it. The old "he started it" argument. That will fix it.

I'm gonna guess you didn't get the Politifact memo.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[airdvr 200]

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Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘‘the buck stops here.’’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.

Senator Obama - 2006

Context is everything.

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Previously, the debt ceiling was raised on a regular basis without much trouble. The party in the majority of each chamber of Congress unenthusiastically but faithfully supplied the votes necessary to raise the ceiling, and the party in the minority cast symbolic "no" votes that they knew would have no effect on the outcome.
When Obama, along with every other Senate Democrat, voted against raising the debt ceiling in 2006, they did so for the sake of self-serving political posturing, yes, but they also did so knowing that their GOP colleagues could and would dutifully raise it on their own.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/obama-debt-ceiling-2006-vote.html

So, you're saying that he says things he doesn't mean? That's good to know.

Please don't dent the planet.

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Spending s only a problem when Republicans are in the White House. Didn't you get the memo?

Funny how raising the debt ceiling was never an issue when Reagan and Bush did it 25 times.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/26/barack-obama/obama-says-reagan-raised-debt-ceiling-18-times-geo/

Yea...that's it. The old "he started it" argument. That will fix it.

I'm gonna guess you didn't get the Politifact memo.

I never said Bush and Reagan did anything wrong, they did the correct thing. Paying your bills is what responsible people do.

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Spending s only a problem when Republicans are in the White House. Didn't you get the memo?

Funny how raising the debt ceiling was never an issue when Reagan and Bush did it 25 times.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/26/barack-obama/obama-says-reagan-raised-debt-ceiling-18-times-geo/

Yea...that's it. The old "he started it" argument. That will fix it.

I'm gonna guess you didn't get the Politifact memo.

I never said Bush and Reagan did anything wrong, they did the correct thing. Paying your bills is what responsible people do.

With IOUs?

May I suggest a course in Basic Arithmetic? You will find it fascinating.

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Everyone in America has a gun, so why can't we cut the military by a third. Put those laid off men and women at the airports in place of TSA. Send those bums back to tthe drive thru wimdows.

Seriously, no one in DC wants to curb any real spending on either side. We now have a deadline government.

Congress needs to hire a real busineesman to come in and do the dirtywork. A non partisan hack job on the budget, and stick to it. The dems and repubs don't want to do it.

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Spending s only a problem when Republicans are in the White House. Didn't you get the memo?

Funny how raising the debt ceiling was never an issue when Reagan and Bush did it 25 times.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/26/barack-obama/obama-says-reagan-raised-debt-ceiling-18-times-geo/

Yea...that's it. The old "he started it" argument. That will fix it.

I'm gonna guess you didn't get the Politifact memo.

I never said Bush and Reagan did anything wrong, they did the correct thing. Paying your bills is what responsible people do.

With IOUs?

May I suggest a course in Basic Arithmetic? You will find it fascinating.

Perhaps as fascinating as you would find logic 101.

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Care to actually name some, that add up to something close to the amount of the shortfall?

Don

Do you expect to reclaim it all in one fell swoop?
If not, then add up ALL of the possibilities, not just the biggies.

Besides, it's the biggies that are needed the most.\

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Everyone in America has a gun, so why can't we cut the military by a third. Put those laid off men and women at the airports in place of TSA. Send those bums back to tthe drive thru wimdows.

Now THAT^^ I could agree with.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Everyone in America has a gun, so why can't we cut the military by a third. Put those laid off men and women at the airports in place of TSA. Send those bums back to tthe drive thru wimdows.

Seriously, no one in DC wants to curb any real spending on either side. We now have a deadline government.

Congress needs to hire a real busineesman to come in and do the dirtywork. A non partisan hack job on the budget, and stick to it. The dems and repubs don't want to do it.

Errrr.... Americans had that chance to hire a businessman. Remember that other guy in the last election? Slicked back hair, Bain Capital, Winter Olympics?

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Errrr.... Americans had that chance to hire a businessman. Remember that other guy in the last election? Slicked back hair, Bain Capital, Winter Olympics?

And what a brilliant job he did...http://www.kgw.com/news/national/Feds-bailed-out-Romneys-2002-Winter-Olympics-163999746.html

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Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘‘the buck stops here.’’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.

Senator Obama - 2006

Context is everything.

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Previously, the debt ceiling was raised on a regular basis without much trouble. The party in the majority of each chamber of Congress unenthusiastically but faithfully supplied the votes necessary to raise the ceiling, and the party in the minority cast symbolic "no" votes that they knew would have no effect on the outcome.
When Obama, along with every other Senate Democrat, voted against raising the debt ceiling in 2006, they did so for the sake of self-serving political posturing, yes, but they also did so knowing that their GOP colleagues could and would dutifully raise it on their own.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/obama-debt-ceiling-2006-vote.html

Somehow, I think that makes it worse. You are saying that he knew at the time that he agreed with raising the debt ceiling, he just wanted to take the opportunity to blame the President. Seems like the moral equivalent of a self-serving lie to me.

And no, it isn't ok when either party does it. But I do agree it is a leadership problem.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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Errrr.... Americans had that chance to hire a businessman. Remember that other guy in the last election? Slicked back hair, Bain Capital, Winter Olympics?

And what a brilliant job he did...http://www.kgw.com/news/national/Feds-bailed-out-Romneys-2002-Winter-Olympics-163999746.html

Did you read the article all the way through, or did you just read enough to think to yourself "here's a good slam on Romney"?

If you did actually read it, did you understand the part where money was misspent before Romney took over? Did the article claim Romney forced the government to help get the Olympics back on sound financial footing? Did the fact that the Olympics occurred 5 months after the terrorist attack and that a complete failure at this time would have been devastating to the American psyche influence your thinking?
Like any good businessman, Romney did what he had to do to accomplish his goal. While I am against government spending tax dollars on things like this, if there is any blame to be laid, it should fall on GWB, not Romney.

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Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘‘the buck stops here.’’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.

Senator Obama - 2006

Context is everything.

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Previously, the debt ceiling was raised on a regular basis without much trouble. The party in the majority of each chamber of Congress unenthusiastically but faithfully supplied the votes necessary to raise the ceiling, and the party in the minority cast symbolic "no" votes that they knew would have no effect on the outcome.
When Obama, along with every other Senate Democrat, voted against raising the debt ceiling in 2006, they did so for the sake of self-serving political posturing, yes, but they also did so knowing that their GOP colleagues could and would dutifully raise it on their own.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/obama-debt-ceiling-2006-vote.html

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Somehow, I think that makes it worse. You are saying that he knew at the time that he agreed with raising the debt ceiling, he just wanted to take the opportunity to blame the President. Seems like the moral equivalent of a self-serving lie to me.

And no, it isn't ok when either party does it. But I do agree it is a leadership problem.

Politicians cast symbolic votes all the time when they know that the result of their vote will not result in passing legislation. The minority has been doing this forever, but what the GOP is now doing is a different story.

But what the hell, it's not like the GOP Congress has an image problem right now, I say let them do what ever the hell they want and then face the consequences in the next elections. The fact is, the President even challenged the GOP to come up with a list of cuts equal to the debt ceiling increase, exactly what the GOP wants the President to do. I don't think the GOP can do it, they just want to obstruct this President

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Spending s only a problem when Republicans are in the White House. Didn't you get the memo?

Funny how raising the debt ceiling was never an issue when Reagan and Bush did it 25 times.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/26/barack-obama/obama-says-reagan-raised-debt-ceiling-18-times-geo/

Yea...that's it. The old "he started it" argument. That will fix it.

I'm gonna guess you didn't get the Politifact memo.

I never said Bush and Reagan did anything wrong, they did the correct thing. Paying your bills is what responsible people do.

With IOUs?

May I suggest a course in Basic Arithmetic? You will find it fascinating.

Perhaps as fascinating as you would find logic 101.

Finally, someone willing to teach me the ins and outs of Aristotelian and Combinational Logic, how to construct a proper syllogism or to use a single gate type by application of DeMorgan's Theorem!

Please enlighten me with the depth of your insight. This is my lucky day!

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If you did actually read it, did you understand the part where money was misspent before Romney took over? Did the article claim Romney forced the government to help get the Olympics back on sound financial footing? Did the fact that the Olympics occurred 5 months after the terrorist attack and that a complete failure at this time would have been devastating to the American psyche influence your thinking?
Like any good businessman, Romney did what he had to do to accomplish his goal. While I am against government spending tax dollars on things like this, if there is any blame to be laid, it should fall on GWB, not Romney.

The fact remains, that he is a business man who's standing on any given issue is indeterminable and he has a thorough contempt for half the population.

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If you did actually read it, did you understand the part where money was misspent before Romney took over? Did the article claim Romney forced the government to help get the Olympics back on sound financial footing? Did the fact that the Olympics occurred 5 months after the terrorist attack and that a complete failure at this time would have been devastating to the American psyche influence your thinking?
Like any good businessman, Romney did what he had to do to accomplish his goal. While I am against government spending tax dollars on things like this, if there is any blame to be laid, it should fall on GWB, not Romney.

The fact remains, that he is a business man who's standing on any given issue is indeterminable and he has a thorough contempt for half the population.

Contempt well earned.

[airdvr 200]

Romney lost because he campaigned on the idea of job creation to people who don't care to work. But this isn't about Romney. It's about a sitting president who had contempt for the idea of increasing the debt ceiling when he was a senator. Either way you spin it it still sucks.

Please don't dent the planet.

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