kallend 1,623 #1 September 11, 2012 Romney now likes parts of the ACA. I guess his pollsters told him to say that. online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444100404577643521720749982.html?mod=googlenews_wsj... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2 September 11, 2012 be nice to the guy. He REALLY REALLY REALLY wants to be President and has been trying forever to be so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #3 September 11, 2012 QuoteRomney now likes parts of the ACA. I guess his pollsters told him to say that. online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444100404577643521720749982.html?mod=googlenews_wsjIt seems he likes all the consumer-friendly bits, which is to say the expensive bits (such as covering pre-existing conditions). He just doesn't like the parts that have to do with how to pay for it (such as the individual mandate). However, he has offered nothing about how to pay for the parts he likes. Maybe he thinks the moonbeam fairy will pay for it? Same old political ploy, making big promises without a word on how to make it work financially. I guess it's not too surprising, coming from a guy who thinks that cutting taxes even more will somehow create a huge increase in revenue. "Double down on trickle down" indeed. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #4 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteRomney now likes parts of the ACA. I guess his pollsters told him to say that. online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444100404577643521720749982.html?mod=googlenews_wsjIt seems he likes all the consumer-friendly bits, which is to say the expensive bits (such as covering pre-existing conditions). He just doesn't like the parts that have to do with how to pay for it (such as the individual mandate). However, he has offered nothing about how to pay for the parts he likes. Maybe he thinks the moonbeam fairy will pay for it? Same old political ploy, making big promises without a word on how to make it work financially. I guess it's not too surprising, coming from a guy who thinks that cutting taxes even more will somehow create a huge increase in revenue. "Double down on trickle down" indeed. Don We know what BHO will do to America by 2016. With Romney we have a modicum of hope because he understands business principles.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #5 September 11, 2012 QuoteWe know what BHO will do to America by 2016. Well, we all know what your tribe leaders say he will do. According to them he will create tyranny, communism, and economic ruin. They can't explain how he will do any of that, but trust them, he will. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #6 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteWe know what BHO will do to America by 2016. Well, we all know what your tribe leaders say he will do. According to them he will create tyranny, communism, and economic ruin. They can't explain how he will do any of that, but trust them, he will. We have nearly four years of evidence. We know what he has accomplished so far. Based on that record, we know where he is headed. I am very worried.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #7 September 11, 2012 QuoteWe have nearly four years of evidence. We know what he has accomplished so far. Based on that record, we know where he is headed. What has he accomplished so far that has you so worried? Is it just the healthcare law, or are there other things, too? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #8 September 11, 2012 No, I think he actually likes part of it. Which kinda shows the lack of choice out there. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #9 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteWe have nearly four years of evidence. We know what he has accomplished so far. Based on that record, we know where he is headed. What has he accomplished so far that has you so worried? Is it just the healthcare law, or are there other things, too? Keystone XL Pipeline Gas @ $4.00 +/gal, desired Abolishing fossil fuels through EPA Sympathetic towards factions of Islam Increasing government through taxation Gun control Appointment of liberals to the SCOTUS, probable Increased division within America Increasing welfare citizens for sustained power Healthcare managed by independent third parties, pending BHO's staff, friends, associates and mentors are rife with socialists/communists. Those are the first thoughts that came to mind.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #10 September 11, 2012 QuoteWhich kinda shows the lack of choice out there.I take it you mean, choice regarding political candidates/platforms? Surely there is some 3rd party candidate whose platform includes "Cancer survivor and can't find/afford insurance? Too bad so sad, not my problem". Is there no libertarian candidate this cycle? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #11 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteWe have nearly four years of evidence. We know what he has accomplished so far. Based on that record, we know where he is headed. What has he accomplished so far that has you so worried? Is it just the healthcare law, or are there other things, too? While we are on the subject of Obamacare: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=HcBaSP31Be8&vg=mediumLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #12 September 11, 2012 I know I can't sway your opinion, but I'll try to respond: QuoteKeystone XL Pipeline He didn't kill this project, he just refused to fast track it. I have no problem with that. QuoteGas @ $4.00 +/gal, desired The fact that Obama wants high gas prices is just a ridiculous conspracy theory. High gas prices may be one reason he could lose the election. Why on Earth would he want high gas prices? Besides, oil is a global commodity. The President has no control over the global price of oil. QuoteAbolishing fossil fuels through EPA I must have missed this. What did I put in my tank this morning? QuoteSympathetic towards factions of Islam No he's not. QuoteIncreasing government through taxation Taxes have not gone up. In fact, most of the stimulus was in the form of tax breaks. Which taxes do you think have gone up? QuoteGun control Obama has taken absolutely no action regarding gun control. QuoteAppointment of liberals to the SCOTUS, probable Yup, that's true. QuoteIncreased division within America This is the right more than the left, from my viewpoint, but I very much doubt that Romney will be a uniter. QuoteIncreasing welfare citizens for sustained power Even though Gingrich claims otherwise, more people were added to the food stamp rolls under Bush than under Obama. The increase of welfare is a direct result of the recession. QuoteHealthcare managed by independent third parties, pending Nothing has changed regarding who manages your healthcare, you're just required to have health insurance. QuoteBHO's staff, friends, associates and mentors are rife with socialists/communists. I don't believe that's true, but there's no way I could convince you. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #13 September 11, 2012 (NB: replying to the thread, not a specific individual) QuoteI know I can't sway your opinion, but I'll try to respond: QuoteKeystone XL Pipeline He didn't kill this project, he just refused to fast track it. I have no problem with that. I really don't know what newspapers or electronic outlets some American's read... However, as the Keystone project(s) are the offspring of a Canadian corporation, some of us northerners actually paid attention to this issue. I get my information from both sides of the border. Many of us Canadians were very comfortable that the US Administration did not succumb to outside political pressure, let alone the blunt and bullying tactics of Trans Canada Pipe trying to ramrod it through without going through the entire application and approval process properly as required by US law/policy. And I believe I have the right say it about TCP, as I do own a significant amount (to me) of their shares. I'd like the company to remain a responsible corporate citizen/neighbor rather than bullshit the troops. John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 September 11, 2012 Quote QuoteKeystone XL Pipeline He didn't kill this project, he just refused to fast track it. I have no problem with that. I think you hit all the other points accurately, but I don't agree on this one. Obama played the two step on this call, trying to avoid offending one party before the election. That was a dodging of leadership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #15 September 11, 2012 By picking away at the individual points you detract from the concept of increasing government size and aiming toward more socialism. You ask me why I was worried and I told you. Some of the points are certainly debatable and some have not occurred. That $4/gal of gas was a quote from his lips way back in the beginning. Another quote from BHO was that fossil fuel energy plants would be taxed out of existence. His direction is not good for the strength of the country. Think conceptually.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #16 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuote QuoteKeystone XL Pipeline He didn't kill this project, he just refused to fast track it. I have no problem with that. I think you hit all the other points accurately, but I don't agree on this one. Obama played the two step on this call, trying to avoid offending one party before the election. That was a dodging of leadership. You didn't note the response immediately preceding yours? John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #17 September 11, 2012 I hear a lot of people, especially the radio talk show hosts I occasionally listen to, talk about Obama's goal of destroying the country. If that's just a "feeling" then I really can't argue with it. When asked for the facts, the doomsayers usually come up short. I prefer to go on facts. As far as feeling, I currently feel that Obama would be better than Romney, so I'm leaning that way. Romney has yet to say anything that makes me feel differently. And he certainly hasn't provided any facts. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #18 September 11, 2012 QuoteSome of the points are certainly debatable and some have not occurred. That $4/gal of gas was a quote from his lips way back in the beginning.The price of Gasoline/Oil in the US is more dependant on US monetary policy then it is on oil discovery/production policies. US monetary policy is driven by the Federal Reserve but for all intents and purposes the FED wants Obama to be relected because the Romney/Ryan (especially Ryan) doesn't particularly agree with current Fed Policy... But $4/gal gas is NOT benificial to Obama's re-election...Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #19 September 11, 2012 Quote(NB: replying to the thread, not a specific individual) QuoteI know I can't sway your opinion, but I'll try to respond: QuoteKeystone XL Pipeline He didn't kill this project, he just refused to fast track it. I have no problem with that. I really don't know what newspapers or electronic outlets some American's read... However, as the Keystone project(s) are the offspring of a Canadian corporation, some of us northerners actually paid attention to this issue. I get my information from both sides of the border. Many of us Canadians were very comfortable that the US Administration did not succumb to outside political pressure, let alone the blunt and bullying tactics of Trans Canada Pipe trying to ramrod it through without going through the entire application and approval process properly as required by US law/policy. And I believe I have the right say it about TCP, as I do own a significant amount (to me) of their shares. I'd like the company to remain a responsible corporate citizen/neighbor rather than bullshit the troops. John The way I heard it down here was that the first plan was rejected, for valid reasons. Then the Repulicans in Congress insisted that the second plan be approved or rejected far too quickly to be able to do a full evaluation of them. Insisted as in passing a law that the approval process take place in a certain time (I don't remember the exact time). This was done by congress, apparently to make Obama look bad (I thought it made the Rs look worse, myself). I don't know how much push came from their masters in the oil industry, but I'd bet some to a lot. It turned into the Rs basically saying "We need an answer RIGHT NOW" and Obama saying "The only answer you are going to get that fast is 'No'""There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #20 September 11, 2012 QuoteI hear a lot of people, especially the radio talk show hosts I occasionally listen to, talk about Obama's goal of destroying the country. If that's just a "feeling" then I really can't argue with it. When asked for the facts, the doomsayers usually come up short. I prefer to go on facts. As far as feeling, I currently feel that Obama would be better than Romney, so I'm leaning that way. Romney has yet to say anything that makes me feel differently. And he certainly hasn't provided any facts. I look at the extreme end result of BHO's presidency. If he gets everything he wants; if the Republicans simply roll over and a budget is approved; if the progressive agenda is fully implemented, how is America going to be better off?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #21 September 11, 2012 Quote if the Republicans simply roll over Considering they've been the party of No, I don't know how that can happen. Now, if they all get voted out because The People want something different - that's fine (same can be said if Romney wins, if that's what the people vote then that's the direction we've chosen as a nation).Performance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #22 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuote I think you hit all the other points accurately, but I don't agree on this one. Obama played the two step on this call, trying to avoid offending one party before the election. That was a dodging of leadership. You didn't note the response immediately preceding yours? John don't really agree with it. It shouldn't take over a year more to figure out if it should happen or not. He just didn't want to have to choose between the green and jobs portions of his voter base, didn't want to approve or reject until after November. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #23 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote I think you hit all the other points accurately, but I don't agree on this one. Obama played the two step on this call, trying to avoid offending one party before the election. That was a dodging of leadership. You didn't note the response immediately preceding yours? John don't really agree with it. It shouldn't take over a year more to figure out if it should happen or not. He just didn't want to have to choose between the green and jobs portions of his voter base, didn't want to approve or reject until after November. Thanks for the response and clarification. There were news reports up here detailing that numerous required documents (enviro studies, country & State approvals, etc) that were not provided by Keystone, making it rather difficult to provide the legitimate review per policy required within the time-frame allocated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #24 September 13, 2012 "Obamacare must be repealed –- in its entirety. It’s bad policy, it’s bad law, and frankly, a $2 trillion entitlement we don’t want and we certainly can’t afford... Obamacare is a disaster in my opinion, and has to be repealed entirely." Mitt Romney, 9/12/2012 "Well, I'm not getting rid of all health care reform", Mitt Romney, 9/9/2012 Funny guy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
