quade 3 #101 July 19, 2012 QuoteWell, its not like he killed a border agent or anything. Or killed a US citizen w/o due process... The President didn't kill a border agent, drug gangs did. The President didn't kill a terrorist without due process, there was a process, you just arent privy to it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #102 July 20, 2012 Quote>You said quite clearly that you'd support him even if he were a proven liar or felon, so >what part of Bill's statement was inaccurate? Well, Gravitymaster said he'd vote for Romney over Obama even if Romney: -lied about when he left Bain -was a felon -was lying about other things To be fair, if Romney murdered someone tomorrow, then that wouldn't be covered under those conditions, and Gravitymaster conceivably might consider not voting for him. Pathetic. You should be ashamed of yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #103 July 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteWell, its not like he killed a border agent or anything. Or killed a US citizen w/o due process... The President didn't kill a border agent, drug gangs did. The President didn't kill a terrorist without due process, there was a process, you just arent privy to it. I'm sure that Doctor sitting in that Pakistani prison being beaten daily because he help find Bin Laden doesn't share your glee. I'm sure he didn't appreciate being exposed so Obama could do some chest thumping and have another campaign victory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #104 July 20, 2012 Really? Are you suggesting that if at any point in time any other President, past or future would have backed off the killing of Bin Laden just to spare some foreign national informant? They might back for any number of reasons, but I doubt that's one of them.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #105 July 20, 2012 A leader would be doing everything possible to pressure Pakistan to release him. Obamas need to thump his chest also resulted in Pakistan shutting down NATO supply lines. I wonder how many soldiers died because of that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #106 July 20, 2012 Speaking of lying. How about all those shovel ready jobs and all the others lies Obama told to get elected? Guess you are OK with them, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #107 July 20, 2012 Quote And before you start your usual word parsing, I' not getting into a multiple page thread with you where you try and tell me what I said. probably a good thing, since post 87 was pretty clear. It shouldn't take multiple pages to acknowledge the obvious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #108 July 20, 2012 Quote>You said quite clearly that you'd support him even if he were a proven liar or felon, so >what part of Bill's statement was inaccurate? Well, Gravitymaster said he'd vote for Romney over Obama even if Romney: -lied about when he left Bain -was a felon -was lying about other things To be fair, if Romney murdered someone tomorrow, then that wouldn't be covered under those conditions, and Gravitymaster conceivably might consider not voting for him. Well, most murders result in felony convictions, but you're right, it would take longer than November for that to occur. Have at it, Mittens! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #109 July 20, 2012 QuoteQuote And before you start your usual word parsing, I' not getting into a multiple page thread with you where you try and tell me what I said. Yes it was clear. To everyone but you, apparently. probably a good thing, since post 87 was pretty clear. It shouldn't take multiple pages to acknowledge the obvious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #110 July 20, 2012 what's with this recent trend of embedding replies in the midst of the history? Surely you have enough posting experience to know how to do this cleanly. Are you in your car again? Pay attention to the road! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #111 July 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteWell, its not like he killed a border agent or anything. Or killed a US citizen w/o due process... The President didn't kill a border agent, drug gangs did. The President didn't kill a terrorist without due process, there was a process, you just arent privy to it. Drug gangs given weapons by said President (or actions there of). Pardon me for wanting the President to have to follow the 5th Amendment. It should worry the crap out of anyone that the precedent has now been set that a POTUS can execute a US citizen solely because he's on the "naughty" list. Oh wait, I see where you're going. I mean, a govt would *never* abuse such a huge gain in power, right? A govt would never use this new found ability to silence opposition, make up things for the public to eat up, and then just dispense "justice" without a trial. Right? History totally flies in the face of my concern. I recant. /sarcasmYou stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #112 July 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteWell, its not like he killed a border agent or anything. Or killed a US citizen w/o due process... The President didn't kill a border agent, drug gangs did. The President didn't kill a terrorist without due process, there was a process, you just arent privy to it. Drug gangs given weapons by said President (or actions there of). OK, but enough about the Taliban and Ronald Reagan.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #113 August 12, 2012 www.cnn.com/2012/08/08/opinion/canellos-kleinbard-romney-taxes/index.html Fascinating.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #114 August 12, 2012 I can't seem to find anywhere in this lack of facts filled fairy tale where Romney broke any laws. Perhaps you can point that out for us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #115 August 12, 2012 QuoteI can't seem to find anywhere in this lack of facts filled fairy tale where Romney broke any laws. Perhaps you can point that out for us. It isn't (totally) about whether Romney technically broke any laws. Certainly on the edge, but I don't have any reason to think that he intentionally would break any. It is more about exposing how the very rich can take advantage of situations to pay a much lower percentage in taxes than someone who only makes a couple of hundred thousand per year (essentially all earned income) has to pay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #116 August 12, 2012 So, it is about jealousy and not illegality? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #117 August 12, 2012 QuoteSo, it is about jealousy and not illegality? Matt Yep. Wealth people already pay a lot more than their fair share as a percentage of all taxes. This is nothing more than wanting someone else to pay for your life choices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #118 August 13, 2012 Quotewww.cnn.com/2012/08/08/opinion/canellos-kleinbard-romney-taxes/index.html Fascinating. http://m.factcheck.org/2012/08/obamas-boss-baloney/ Facinating Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #119 August 13, 2012 QuoteI just glanced at it. He made just less than $21M. He gave a little over $4M to charity and paid just over $3M in federal taxes. He easily put more into the federal treasury in one year than I ever will. He gave even more to charity. Meanwhile, he was working for free as Governor. And people complain he isn't doing his 'fair share'? Since I've seen no assertion that he cheats on his taxes, I'm guessing people think he should ignore the tax law and instead donate larger portions of his income to try to appease his detractors? I think some people define the word 'fair' as roughly, 'I want more of someone else's stuff'. and to put parity and fairness in perspective, from an overall point of view http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.htmlRainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,135 #120 August 13, 2012 QuoteYep. Wealth people already pay a lot more than their fair share as a percentage of all taxes. But they benefit a lot more from the system too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #121 August 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteSo, it is about jealousy and not illegality? Matt Yep. Wealth people already pay a lot more than their fair share as a percentage of all taxes. This is nothing more than wanting someone else to pay for your life choices. "Fair" is a meaningless concept in the context of taxation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #122 August 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteI just glanced at it. He made just less than $21M. He gave a little over $4M to charity and paid just over $3M in federal taxes. He easily put more into the federal treasury in one year than I ever will. He gave even more to charity. Meanwhile, he was working for free as Governor. And people complain he isn't doing his 'fair share'? Since I've seen no assertion that he cheats on his taxes, I'm guessing people think he should ignore the tax law and instead donate larger portions of his income to try to appease his detractors? I think some people define the word 'fair' as roughly, 'I want more of someone else's stuff'. and to put parity and fairness in perspective, from an overall point of view http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html Pretty meaningless numbers unless you compare those numbers with the % of national wealth held by the top 1%, 5%, etc? You aren't going to raise a lot of revenue by taxing an indigent homeless person.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #123 August 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo, it is about jealousy and not illegality? Matt Yep. Wealth people already pay a lot more than their fair share as a percentage of all taxes. This is nothing more than wanting someone else to pay for your life choices. "Fair" is a meaningless concept in the context of taxation. Not according to Obama and the Democrats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #124 August 13, 2012 QuoteSo, it is about jealousy and not illegality? Matt I don't begrudge Romney his wealth. Given the longstanding tradition of candidates releasing tax returns and being transparent about their income, I suspect Romney's returns must contain information he believes would cost him the election. If he thinks they're that bad, well, he's probably right. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rainbo 0 #125 August 13, 2012 ummmm, 50% of our population is not indigent and homeless...Rainbo TheSpeedTriple - Speed is everything "Blessed are those who can give without remembering, and take without forgetting." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
