kallend 1,679 #1 June 28, 2012 www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 643 #2 June 28, 2012 as a tax....this is gonna be weird until it's all sorted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #3 June 28, 2012 Quoteas a tax....this is gonna be weird until it's all sorted. Yeah right! Right now as it stands what i pay for health care is tax deductible...so is this a tax that is tax deductable?Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #4 June 28, 2012 Quotewww.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-210d4e9.pdf Wrong link. That is the Stolen Valour act decision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #5 June 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteas a tax....this is gonna be weird until it's all sorted. Yeah right! Right now as it stands what i pay for health care is tax deductible...so is this a tax that is tax deductable? www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3649416;search_string=tax%20credit;#3649416... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 643 #6 June 28, 2012 It's not a taaaax Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #7 June 28, 2012 QuoteQuotewww.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-210d4e9.pdf Wrong link. That is the Stolen Valour act decision. Fixed. www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 643 #8 June 28, 2012 Welfare. Unemployment. Food stamps. Health insurance. BOHICA to the working Americans! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #9 June 28, 2012 Quote Right now as it stands what i pay for health care is tax deductible...so is this a tax that is tax deductable? From what I understand, what was upheld was the tax that is enforced if you do not buy insurance. The "individual mandate". So the tax comes into play when you are not paying for health care directly. At least it wasn't upheld under the guise of interstate commerce. Interstate commerce is misused and abused enough as it is.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #10 June 28, 2012 I would have asked "who gets to decide what I can afford and what I can't"? I mean really how does that happen? Tax returns maybe? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 643 #11 June 28, 2012 So since when has the president ever had the authority to create a tax???? Now they've shit on another part of our constitution. The supremes are proving they are not concerned with constitutional law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #12 June 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteas a tax....this is gonna be weird until it's all sorted. Yeah right! Right now as it stands what i pay for health care is tax deductible...so is this a tax that is tax deductable? My sales, property, and excise taxes are deductible. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #13 June 28, 2012 QuoteSo since when has the president ever had the authority to create a tax???? Now they've shit on another part of our constitution. The supremes are proving they are not concerned with constitutional law. Did you miss the parts where the House and Senate passed the law? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 643 #14 June 28, 2012 as an individual mandate, not a tax. oh wait - this isn't a tax. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #15 June 28, 2012 Quote as a tax.... That apparently can be refused??? We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 643 #16 June 28, 2012 Sure. Credits if on welfare. I'm curious to see the situation like this: My typical out of pocket costs on insurance that currently costs me over $200 / month for family coverage (a portion of that after taxes as well) - can easily be $5000/year. So if I'm on welfare and getting insurance through the government....who pays the out of pocket costs? Someone on welfare sure as hell won't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #17 June 28, 2012 http://www.forbes.com/sites/brycecovert/2012/06/28/obamacare-decision-why-women-are-the-big-winners-health-care-supreme-court/ check this out! wow the ladies should be very happy!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #18 June 28, 2012 This is the rationale (very, very simplified): Congress has the power to impose a tax. Congress also has the power to give you a credit against that tax if you do something (like buy health care). So you can purchase health care or pay the tax. Your choice. The fact that it wasn't worded as a tax doesn't make it not a tax. (Actually, it does for the purpose of the Injunction Act because of the wording of that Act, but it doesn't when you ask the question "does Congress have the power to do this?"). I recall Doc Kallend making the point a few months back that it was effectively a tax. The Supremes agreed with him.Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #19 June 28, 2012 Will the penalty tax revenue have anything to do with that maybe? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 643 #20 June 28, 2012 No refunds???? I want to see how much credit I will get for the amount of insurance I'm currently buying. Plus the general insurance fund contribution for that matter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #21 June 28, 2012 Quote I recall Doc Kallend making the point a few months back that it was effectively a tax. The Supremes agreed with him. Yes, they often call me for advice on tricky cases... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 177 #22 June 28, 2012 Rand Paul's comments are laughable. "just because a few people say it's Constitutional doesn't make it so". A few people meaning the SCOTUS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #23 June 28, 2012 Quote No refunds???? I want to see how much credit I will get for the amount of insurance I'm currently buying. Plus the general insurance fund contribution for that matter. I think maybe you should read the provisions of the act before asking irrelevant questions. I'm going to guess that all you've read is lying GOP propaganda.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 643 #24 June 28, 2012 You would be incorrect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #25 June 28, 2012 QuoteYou would be incorrect. So why are you asking silly questions then?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
